by "sm70- why not Duesenberg?" (sm70-whynotduesenberg)
Published 12/23/2017 at 17:48
by "sm70- why not Duesenberg?" (sm70-whynotduesenberg)
Published 12/23/2017 at 17:48
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"MINIGTI" (76tr6)
12/23/2017 at 17:54, STARS: 2
Car with the camera.
"gmctavish needs more space" (gmctavish)
12/23/2017 at 17:58, STARS: 7
Blue Ford started it, but the cammer finished it instead of avoiding it.
"xc90v8/I4 :(" (xc90v8)
12/23/2017 at 18:01, STARS: 4
Not sure about US laws so i’m just gonna pretend this happend where I live..
Driver of c ar with camera cleary is an asshole.
But you never have the right of way while changing lanes.. it’s at an intersection, if the car that has the right of way could have stopped but didn’t it’s not necessarily his fault. Same applies here, so I say Pick ups fault.
"pip bip - choose Corrour" (hhgttg69)
12/23/2017 at 18:07, STARS: 3
car with camera at fault
"TFSIVTEC drivesavolvo" (drivesaswedishcarmadeinbelgium-)
12/23/2017 at 18:07, STARS: 1
XTR, I believe that was a Canadian only trim.
"Smallbear wants a modern Syclone, local Maple Leafs spammer" (smallbear94)
12/23/2017 at 18:10, STARS: 2
F150 didn’t pull the smartest trick in the book, but there was more than enough reaction time that was thrown away in favour of an opportunity to honk.
In my mind, the guy filming is 100% at fault.
By the laws of Ontario, there might be partial blame assessed based on the close change, but you can be found at fault for having an opportunity to prevent an accident and not using it, so I think worst case the F150 gets 25% blame.
By the laws of insurance companies, everybody’s fucked.
Long story short if it were me I’d have deleted that clip and never mentioned the dashcam.
"Smallbear wants a modern Syclone, local Maple Leafs spammer" (smallbear94)
12/23/2017 at 18:11, STARS: 9
“I can only do one thing at a time, so I’m going to choose horn over brakes”
"lone_liberal" (token-liberal)
12/23/2017 at 18:13, STARS: 3
Legally I think the pickup was at fault but the camera car could have avoided the collision if they hit the brakes instead of just the horn. A pox on both of their houses.
"Smallbear wants a modern Syclone, local Maple Leafs spammer" (smallbear94)
12/23/2017 at 18:13, STARS: 0
Here (Ontario) you can be at fault if you could have avoided collision, regardless of who started it.
This guy chose to honk rather than brake. Pretty sure he’d be assessed at least 75% blame. If I were him I’d have tossed that particular footage...
"Sampsonite24-Earth's Least Likeliest Hero" (sampsonite24)
12/23/2017 at 18:13, STARS: 2
im gonna say both, camera car could have avoided all this if he had just hit the brakes
"fintail" (fintail)
12/23/2017 at 18:14, STARS: 3
Unsignaled lane change should warrant a trip to the gallows. Cammer should have avoided it, but blue Ford was asking for something, and he got it. 90% truck.
"Sampsonite24-Earth's Least Likeliest Hero" (sampsonite24)
12/23/2017 at 18:14, STARS: 0
nah its just an appearence package, my inlaws neighbors has an F-150 with XTR graphics on the bed And I’m in illinois
"OpposResidentLexusGuy - USE20, XF20, XU30 and Press Cars" (jakeauern)
12/23/2017 at 18:19, STARS: 1
Ironically I think he did use his turn signal... That’s the stupid of American cars that want to use the brakes for both.
"fintail" (fintail)
12/23/2017 at 18:25, STARS: 3
Was the brake tap a signal? I just saw a blink around 11 seconds that looked like brake application.
I still hold that blue truck was the aggressor, and should receive the majority of blame.
"InFierority Complex" (lanciere)
12/23/2017 at 18:28, STARS: 2
Seems completely avoidable. The camera car even seems to be too close to the vehicle in front of it anyways (2 car lengths at highway speed or so?)
I can’t tell if it was the car in front slowing down or the camera car speeding up that closed the gap either.
"OpposResidentLexusGuy - USE20, XF20, XU30 and Press Cars" (jakeauern)
12/23/2017 at 18:30, STARS: 0
Maybe I was wrong. It looks like the left one went off and on as he merged and the right didn’t. But yeah the blue truck was dumb for merging that quick while braking... The camera car didn’t seem to brake that hard but blue truck was just asking for it.
"sm70- why not Duesenberg?" (sm70-whynotduesenberg)
12/23/2017 at 18:30, STARS: 0
Now let me follow that up with this: Why would you try to move into a gap that’s already too small?
"McMike" (mcmike)
12/23/2017 at 18:31, STARS: 3
Camera car 100%
If you plan on closing the door like that, you better make damn sure you make contact with a quarter panel so it appears they hit you.
In the case above, the camera car ran into the back of the truck.
Doesn’t mean blue truck isn’t an asshole, though.
"His Stigness" (HisStigness)
12/23/2017 at 18:31, STARS: 0
They’re only going to be partially at fault, at MOST 25%, and that’s stretching it. You have an obligation to avoid accidents, but just because they didn’t brake hard enough quickly enough doesn’t put them at fault.
"sm70- why not Duesenberg?" (sm70-whynotduesenberg)
12/23/2017 at 18:31, STARS: 0
Nah, he didn’t signal
"His Stigness" (HisStigness)
12/23/2017 at 18:32, STARS: 1
They’re only going to be partially at fault, at MOST 25%, and that’s stretching it. You have an obligation to avoid accidents, but just because they didn’t brake hard enough quickly enough doesn’t put them at fault.
"fintail" (fintail)
12/23/2017 at 18:36, STARS: 2
Sometimes cameras capture LED lights in an odd fashion (not sure if that truck has them). For all we know, he did signal - some treat a signal as a declaration of right of way. I have no issue giving the cammer minority blame, but most of it goes to the truck.
I find it funny that some systems put the majority of responsibility on the party who is wronged - systems like that encourage asshole driving, you’ll see it in Britainistan and Germany from time to time, especially the former, judging by dashcam content on the web.
"Urambo Tauro" (urambotauro)
12/23/2017 at 18:40, STARS: 5
First of all, there’s not enough footage leading up to this encounter, and no rear-view, so I don’t know if there was road rage already at play here.
The first thing I notice is that camera-car is in the left lane, with ample opportunity to return to the right lane. (This may or may not be a ticketable offence, depending on the state/province.)
The next thing I see is a big speed differential. I can’t tell if the truck is driving too fast or if the camera-car is driving too slowly, but whatever’s going on, it’s happening in the wrong lanes.
After that, I see the truck brake, which indicates that there’s still a fair amount of grip, despite the snow on the side of the road. He then starts to veer out of its lane without signalling.
The driver of the camera-car reacts by hugging the left side of his lane and using the horn. Hopefully the truck will notice and correct himself. But he doesn’t. It turns out he wanted to make a lane change after all, and did it without even signaling.
But this doesn’t seem to trigger a change in speed on the camera-car’s part. I don’t see him speeding up to defend his place, or braking to renew his following distance. He was clearly cut off, but now he’s tailgating. Traffic ahead (including that Charger which also slipped in without signalling) slows down, and so does the truck. But the camera-car does not. The horn sounds like it’s coming from the camera-car, so I’m not going to accuse him of distracted driving. And based on the truck’s braking ability, I don’t think he’s hit a patch of black ice either.
Both drivers are doing things that immediately put them on my shit-list as a viewer, and I find myself unable to defend either one. Ultimately, I think the driver of the camera-car made the final move that caused the wreck. But the truck driver played a dangerous game, and this was bound to happen to him sooner or later.
"SilentButNotReallyDeadly...killed by G/O Media" (silentbutnotreallydeadly)
12/23/2017 at 18:46, STARS: 1
The blue pickup. 100%. In Oz law anyway. No signal. No dice
"TFSIVTEC drivesavolvo" (drivesaswedishcarmadeinbelgium-)
12/23/2017 at 19:01, STARS: 0
I’ve seen plenty at the Ford dealer I use to work for but they were all used from the auction never new and usually came with the odometer reading in KM but never a new one. I’m in Massachusetts for reference.
"xc90v8/I4 :(" (xc90v8)
12/23/2017 at 19:09, STARS: 0
It’s really hard or even impossible to determine wheter it was possible or not? Unless like this time you have video.
I always think that no one should have to break when i turn at an intersection or change lanes..
"John Norris (AngryDrifter)" (angrydrifter)
12/23/2017 at 19:29, STARS: 1
The camera car hit the horn instead of hitting the brakes. The F150 driver was a complete ass for passing on the right and squeezing in where there wasn’t enough room. But unless there was some reason the Camera car driver couldn’t hit the brakes I say his inaction on the brakes was criminal.
Don’t let someone else’s stupidity make you a criminal.
"Smallbear wants a modern Syclone, local Maple Leafs spammer" (smallbear94)
12/23/2017 at 19:30, STARS: 0
I think like you do. But... if you can stop it happening, you should.
"Smallbear wants a modern Syclone, local Maple Leafs spammer" (smallbear94)
12/23/2017 at 19:34, STARS: 2
They had enough time to get a good long honk off but couldn’t apply some brakes? They wouldn’t have even had to brake that hard.
There’s not doing stupid shit, and there’s avoiding stupid shit. When the stupid shit happens you have to avoid it if possible. From the video there was time—no action was taken.
"xc90v8/I4 :(" (xc90v8)
12/23/2017 at 19:37, STARS: 1
Of course. That’s why I said the guy with the camera is an asshole.
"merged-5876237249235911857-hrw8uc" (merged-5876237249235911857-hrw8uc)
12/23/2017 at 20:18, STARS: 1
Trucks fault, you can’t change lanes into someone, simple as that, signal or not. It’s your job to ensure you have enough space to complete the maneuver.
"BKosher84" (bkosher84)
12/23/2017 at 21:05, STARS: 1
Truck took to long to merge but this was completely avoidable which the cop would have to take into account and probably fine the guy with dash cam.
"boxrocket" (boxrocket)
12/24/2017 at 09:44, STARS: 1
Agreed that combo turn/brake signals are dumb. It looks like the cab-mounted third brake light (a.k.a. CHMSL) and the the passenger-side brake light are on when he’s attempting to merge.
"boxrocket" (boxrocket)
12/24/2017 at 10:05, STARS: 1
Everyone is at fault.
The camera vehicle driver was 1: following too closely to the silver/gray Acadia (?) the entire time, 2: In a passing lane and not passing, 3: While not required to yield to the truck, they could have hit the brakes or avoided the blue F-150 better, 4: Can’t tell if they accelerated to block-out the F-150 or that the Acadia was slowing down, but either way, they continued to not leave enough space, and didn’t tale any efforts to increase the space between, and 5: listening to country.
The F-150 driver was at fault for 1: Changing to a passing lane with nothing to pass, 2: Not checking mirrors or looking back well-enough, 3: Failing to indicate an intended lane change, even when in-progress, 4: Not indicating a lane change with enough time before initiating said change, 5: Not going back to their lane when the camera vehicle driver sounded their horn, 6: Not giving the acadia enough room when merging behind it, especially after seeing that another vehicle merged too-closely in front of the acadia, 7: Not accelerating to match the speed of the acadia when forcing the lane change (I only say that as a possible effort to avoid the accident, not as a good driving behavior), 8: driving too aggressively for conditions.
The Acadia driver is at fault for using the passing lane as a driving lane, and not immediately slowing down more or switching to the slow lane when the driver of the Charger cut in front of them.
The Charger driver is at fault for 1: not giving the Acadia driver enough room when they changed lanes, 2: Also not signalling their intended lane change prior to the change, 3: Not signaling the lane change even when it was in-progress, 4: Braking when trying to change lanes, 5: Driving too fast/aggressively for conditions.
"PWRandSPD" (Pwrandspd)
12/24/2017 at 12:29, STARS: 1
All the blue Ford. No signal before idiotic lane change, there was clearly not enough room for a safe merge.
"His Stigness" (HisStigness)
12/24/2017 at 20:03, STARS: 0
Just because they didn’t react quickly enough doesn’t mean they’re completely at fault. By that logic anyone that does something is illegal and hits someone else the other person minding their own business is at fault? That’s not how things work.
"Smallbear wants a modern Syclone, local Maple Leafs spammer" (smallbear94)
12/25/2017 at 18:31, STARS: 0
*Nobody here did anything illegal. Two people did stupid things. The second stupid thing was the one that made the collision actually happen. Until then, the only definite thing was that someone was going to be pissed off and have all the reason in the world for it. Had the second person made an attempt to avoid collision and hit the truck anyway, they’re totally in the clear and the truck made a lane change with insufficient space. As it was, he *technically* had space but the guy behind chose to close the gap while honking instead of just letting the idiot be an idiot for the time being.
*This was going to be my reply. I went back and watched again—and noticed that the F150 actually braked half a second before impact. Missed that first time around. The driver of the vehicle getting cut off could, IMO, have done more about the initial move, but couldn’t have done much to compensate for the last-second braking. I’m flipping my opinion entirely, at least 90% blame to the F150 driver.
Fwiw if you want to take it as a thought experiment I’m still standing behind everything I wrote in that first paragraph if we imagine that the F150 didn’t brake immediately before impact