by "Twingo Tamer - About to descend into project car hell." (oppisitelock)
Published 12/20/2017 at 13:51
by "Twingo Tamer - About to descend into project car hell." (oppisitelock)
Published 12/20/2017 at 13:51
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No ground clearance, no cladding/ body protection. What make this any different to a 2 series active tourer thingy other than styling differences?
"Textured Soy Protein" (texturedsoyprotein)
12/20/2017 at 14:01, STARS: 0
It’s a hatchback with enhanced ride height.
The cladding is silver paint on the non-M Sport that becomes body color on the M Sport.
"CobraJoe" (cobrajoe)
12/20/2017 at 14:06, STARS: 0
What make this any different to a 2 series active tourer thingy other than styling differences?
Seat height.
“Crossovers” all have higher seat height from the ground. That requires added roof height, taller seat mounts, and apparently, softer suspension as well.
"Klaus Schmoll" (klausschmoll)
12/20/2017 at 14:07, STARS: 5
Big ass wheels with tire sizes that will make your eyes water when time comes to replace them. That’s pretty much the only difference I see. Think of it as a factory donk.
"davesaddiction @ opposite-lock.com" (davesaddiction)
12/20/2017 at 14:08, STARS: 6
Let’s call them tall hatchbacks.
"davesaddiction @ opposite-lock.com" (davesaddiction)
12/20/2017 at 14:09, STARS: 0
Wow, that’s dumb.
"davesaddiction @ opposite-lock.com" (davesaddiction)
12/20/2017 at 14:09, STARS: 0
And ugly.
"bhtooefr" (bhtooefr)
12/20/2017 at 14:12, STARS: 1
But the 2AT has that, too, being a compact MPVish thing.
So, really, what these are is small minivans.
"Nothing" (nothingatalluseful)
12/20/2017 at 14:13, STARS: 0
I’ve thought it funny about the cry of “Americans don’t like hatchbacks!” with the proliferation of them in “tall” form.
"CobraJoe" (cobrajoe)
12/20/2017 at 14:14, STARS: 1
Tallbacks.
Honestly, I’m fine with calling them crossovers, might as well lump them in with a category I’m not interested in.
"CobraJoe" (cobrajoe)
12/20/2017 at 14:14, STARS: 0
I can’t accept “Minivan” unless it has a sliding door.
"punkgoose17" (punkgoose17)
12/20/2017 at 14:16, STARS: 7
They are hatchbacks. Unless, they have 3rd row seating; then, they are station wagons.
"Twingo Tamer - About to descend into project car hell." (oppisitelock)
12/20/2017 at 14:20, STARS: 0
Eww
"Twingo Tamer - About to descend into project car hell." (oppisitelock)
12/20/2017 at 14:21, STARS: 0
As others have said, a lot of taller hatchback/ MPVs have seat height thats comparable.
"Twingo Tamer - About to descend into project car hell." (oppisitelock)
12/20/2017 at 14:21, STARS: 0
Haha I like this explanation the most.
"Twingo Tamer - About to descend into project car hell." (oppisitelock)
12/20/2017 at 14:21, STARS: 0
Agreed.
"gmctavish needs more space" (gmctavish)
12/20/2017 at 14:34, STARS: 0
I’m almost ashamed to admit that I’m starting to want a tall hatchback. Or at least something with a higher seating position. Mostly because modern headlights are fucking blinding and all at my eye level in the Legacy. It’s bad enough just when it’s dark, but when you throw in rain as well, I might as well be blind.
"BigBlock440" (440-4bbl)
12/20/2017 at 14:35, STARS: 0
Most station wagons don’t have 3rd row seating. They do have a D-pillar though.
"Eric @ opposite-lock.com" (theyrerolling)
12/20/2017 at 14:38, STARS: 0
My car has a very high seat height compared to what I expect out of a car. Out of three cars, the oldest is the most car-like, with a seat height about 1' from the floor (maybe less; that car is so freaking comfortable), a 2008 with about 1.5', and I swear my 2015 is over 2'. Soon we’ll all be sitting on bar stools in there vertical tube shaped cars.
Mine, objectively, looks more like a tiny minivan than it does a car.
"Dasupersprint - base trim is enough" (dasupersprint)
12/20/2017 at 14:44, STARS: 1
I’ve been saying this for a long time!
http://oppositelock.kinja.com/go-home-marketing-youre-drunk-1715460771
"SpeedSix" (speedsix)
12/20/2017 at 14:44, STARS: 0
Is that a goatee on the front?
"Eric @ opposite-lock.com" (theyrerolling)
12/20/2017 at 14:46, STARS: 0
The problem isn’t stock modern headlights, it’s the people that don’t adjust them right after a lift or put illegal aftermarket HID conversion kits/bulbs in their cars. I keep getting blinded by dipshits. I would support local law enforcement impounding and crushing any vehicle with these illegal headlights or failing to adjust their lights properly after a lift. There are also jackasses that run off road lights on the road, I almost got out to yell at one recently that was behind us for miles. It was so bright you could feel the heat inside our car.
I also blame baby boomers for the proliferation of ultra-bright headlights. They are losing their eyesight and instead of accepting that they should simply not drive at night, they get brighter headlights until everyone else is going blind prematurely.
"PotbellyJoe and 42 others" (potbellyjoe)
12/20/2017 at 14:48, STARS: 1
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Call them tall wagons, cross/utility vehicles, segment busters, sports tourers, sport wagons, crossovers, cross-trainers, or just plain station wagons. Whatever they’re named, they were the most obvious new design trend at January’s North American International Auto Show in Detroit. Although today’s crossover vehicles such as the Toyota Highlander, BMW X5 or Buick Rendezvous straddle the line between car and SUV, the new breed are more a mix of car and minivan:
Since ever.
"bhtooefr" (bhtooefr)
12/20/2017 at 14:53, STARS: 0
Well, to be fair, “minivan” isn’t a segment in Europe, where they have a lot of tall boxes that aren’t crossovers. Instead it’s MPV, and the sliding door isn’t necessary.
But, really, if we call tall hatchbacks minivans regardless of whether they have body cladding, and the meme sticks, we do a couple differentthings.
We apply the minivan stigma to crossovers, causing people to go back to wagons.
We make people that need a minivan realize that they should just buy the damn minivan, because it’s better at being a minivan than a crossover is.
"Textured Soy Protein" (texturedsoyprotein)
12/20/2017 at 14:53, STARS: 0
I believe that technically it is a Van Dyke.
"davesaddiction @ opposite-lock.com" (davesaddiction)
12/20/2017 at 14:54, STARS: 0
Autotrader still lumps SUV & crossover into one category.
"Twingo Tamer - About to descend into project car hell." (oppisitelock)
12/20/2017 at 14:55, STARS: 0
I agree that headlights are getting ridiculous but being higher up doesnt seem to help too much. I’ve been riding around in a coworkers Ford Kuga often recently and the blinding still happens.
"Twingo Tamer - About to descend into project car hell." (oppisitelock)
12/20/2017 at 14:56, STARS: 0
Haha I’m sure it’s crossed all our minds at some point. That graphic comparing the GLA and Focus really brings the point home though.
"CobraJoe" (cobrajoe)
12/20/2017 at 14:57, STARS: 0
I’m fine with that too. True SUVs are getting rare, just like RWD cars. You have to know the models you’re looking for just to find exactly what you want.
For other people who “Rode in an explorer when they were younger” would probably be happy with the new Explorer.
"Twingo Tamer - About to descend into project car hell." (oppisitelock)
12/20/2017 at 14:58, STARS: 0
It seems they’re converging even more these days, but yeah it’s always been a thing since the SUV craze got going.
"nafsucof" (galinskiomatic)
12/20/2017 at 14:58, STARS: 0
Well some are just lifted wagons and hatchbacks. But some like that bmw are y’all wagons so the difference is vertical interior space sometimes.
"Twingo Tamer - About to descend into project car hell." (oppisitelock)
12/20/2017 at 14:58, STARS: 0
Some of them aren’t even lifted noticably though...
"79 horsepower monster" (tdwpgtp)
12/20/2017 at 15:01, STARS: 3
But this problem just compounds itself as everyone keeps wanting taller vehicles to escape the lights. It’s the same as how people want a taller vehicle to be above everyone else (for reason I do not fully understand). If everyone is taller then nobody is taller
"CobraJoe" (cobrajoe)
12/20/2017 at 15:04, STARS: 1
We apply the minivan stigma to crossovers, causing people to go back to wagons.
If only it could work like that. (We both know that “normal” people don’t listen to what we have to say about cars anyways)
My wife refuses to get a wagon because she sees it as a “mom’s car”. Nevermind the fact that she is a mom, and nevermind the fact that she drives an Outback (which is exactly a jacked up wagon), she refuses to get a wagon.
There are a lot of car stigmas out there that don’t make sense.
"camarov6rs" (mren2011)
12/20/2017 at 15:07, STARS: 0
$$$
"punkgoose17" (punkgoose17)
12/20/2017 at 15:10, STARS: 0
True, but many did in the past, and if it is big enough to be a 3 row it probably is big enough to be a station wagon and has a D-pillar.
"davesaddiction @ opposite-lock.com" (davesaddiction)
12/20/2017 at 15:12, STARS: 0
Body on frame SUVs (US market): Pathfinder, Land Cruiser, Sequoia (and Lexus equivs), Expedition/Navigator, Suburban etc, QX80, Wrangler, LR4, G-Class, Armada (didn’t realize they still made this), next Xterra?. Is that it?
"duurtlang" (duurtlang)
12/20/2017 at 15:13, STARS: 0
No, with the 3rd row they’re minivans.
"davesaddiction @ opposite-lock.com" (davesaddiction)
12/20/2017 at 15:14, STARS: 0
My wife refuses the minivan, and currently has an MDX (we have three kids, and it’s very handy to have a 7 seater for friends & grandparents). CX-9 before that. Two crossovers that I actually don’t mind driving!
"duurtlang" (duurtlang)
12/20/2017 at 15:15, STARS: 3
They really are MPVs with different styling and bigger wheels. Fat Hatchbacks. Fatbacks? Fatbacks!
"404 - User No Longer Available" (toni-cipriani)
12/20/2017 at 15:25, STARS: 0
True story: I was looking at winter tire sizes for my F30, 225/45/18 translates to 225/50/R17 for -1 size. Interestingly the X1 uses 225/55/R17 for its winters, which was cheaper than mine.
Coincidentally my Solstice had the 225/55/R17, so I opted to carry on using those with new rims.
"BigBlock440" (440-4bbl)
12/20/2017 at 15:37, STARS: 0
Yes, but using the 3-row requirement excludes all the D-pillars without a 3rd row.
"gmctavish needs more space" (gmctavish)
12/20/2017 at 16:14, STARS: 0
Aftermarket HIDs and lifted trucks are a whole other level of awful. I mean factory headlights, at least where I live it’s gotten way worse in the last year or so driving at night. Anything vaguely premium has super intense headlights that are mounted up high, and are painfully bright. When they have their high beams on, it’s just ridiculous.
"gmctavish needs more space" (gmctavish)
12/20/2017 at 16:15, STARS: 0
When I’m driving my Raider I get blinded less, at least much less from behind. But yeah it’s not a perfect solution.
"gmctavish needs more space" (gmctavish)
12/20/2017 at 16:19, STARS: 0
This is very true, but because everyone keeps getting taller vehicles, I’m now shorter than most things on the road. I don’t want to be taller than everyone, I just want to be around the same height, especially at night. When I had my Blazer, I wasn’t getting lights in my eyes nearly as much, and it does help for seeing past parked cars when pulling out and such. I also do like 90% of my driving in the city, where all of those things make more of a difference, and driving dynamics don’t matter.
"Twingo Tamer - About to descend into project car hell." (oppisitelock)
12/20/2017 at 16:22, STARS: 1
Essentially these people are buying the spiritual successor to this...
"nafsucof" (galinskiomatic)
12/20/2017 at 16:27, STARS: 1
Oh I agree with that though too.
"Carbon Fiber Sasquatch" (turbopumpkin)
12/20/2017 at 16:46, STARS: 1
I completely agree, what is a Cayenne Turbo S or GLC 63S if not an ultra hatchback on steroids?
"Vicente Esteve" (vicente-esteve)
12/20/2017 at 16:58, STARS: 1
Jesus what a horrible vehicle. I love BMW, and know they HAVE to make these things to keep making money but god damn could they at least try to not make it horrendous.
"duurtlang" (duurtlang)
12/20/2017 at 17:01, STARS: 0
Yes, but a crossover is “tough” and an mpv is for old people. All due to the different cladding and larger wheels.
Fashion is so shallow.
"merged-5876237249235911857-hrw8uc" (merged-5876237249235911857-hrw8uc)
12/20/2017 at 17:51, STARS: 0
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"ranwhenparked" (ranwhenparked)
12/20/2017 at 23:12, STARS: 0
I suppose when their manufacturer stops advertising them that way. Before the term “SUV” was coined, the same vehicles that became known as SUVs were often referred to as station wagons. Its really just an invented marketing term, more than anything.
"Twingo Tamer - About to descend into project car hell." (oppisitelock)
12/21/2017 at 02:06, STARS: 0
Yeah....
"Twingo Tamer - About to descend into project car hell." (oppisitelock)
12/21/2017 at 02:08, STARS: 0
It’s just even more blatant now. SUVs used to need at least the illusion of off road ability, now these things have less ground clearance than my Twingo.