by "FTTOHG Has Moved to https://opposite-lock.com" (alphaass)
Published 12/19/2017 at 20:39
by "FTTOHG Has Moved to https://opposite-lock.com" (alphaass)
Published 12/19/2017 at 20:39
Tags: Lexus SC300
STARS: 1
A buddy of mine installed an aftermarket launch control kit on his turbocharged SC300. It did not end well. He just got the head off and sent me this. Amazingly it still has compression in 5 of 6 cylinders. He’s cutting his losses and swapping in a GTE long block that he’s already tracked down for sale. If (probably more like when) that blows up it will be LS Swap time.
"chaozbandit" (chaozbandit)
12/19/2017 at 20:59, STARS: 0
Evan Shanks is that you
"DC3 LS, will be perpetually replacing cars until the end of time" (dc3ls-)
12/19/2017 at 21:05, STARS: 0
Isn’t the GTE the one that can take like 500hp on the stock bottom end?
"Jordan and the Slowrunner, Boomer Intensifies" (jordanwphillips)
12/19/2017 at 21:10, STARS: 0
More than that, a lot more.
"Jordan and the Slowrunner, Boomer Intensifies" (jordanwphillips)
12/19/2017 at 21:10, STARS: 1
The GE isn’t exactly known for it’s super strong bottom end.
"Dr. Zoidberg - RIP Oppo" (thetomselleck)
12/19/2017 at 21:19, STARS: 0
How bad of an idea is it to throw an aftermarket turbo on a 2JZ-GE? Asking for a friend.
"whatuptkhere" (whatuptkhere)
12/19/2017 at 21:21, STARS: 0
Is it a chunk blown out of the piston that we’re looking at?
"Sweet Trav" (thespunbearing)
12/19/2017 at 21:27, STARS: 3
2JZ’s are more overrated than a big block Chevy.
Just tell your buddy to swap in the LS make more power for cheaper than he ever could have dreamed of with shitty I6
"Sweet Trav" (thespunbearing)
12/19/2017 at 21:29, STARS: 4
A $350 5.3 LS can take 1000hp on the stock bottom end. All these race motors just sitting in pickup trucks in junkyards everywhere and geniuses are still trying to fuck with other things...
"Sweet Trav" (thespunbearing)
12/19/2017 at 21:31, STARS: 0
For that kind of cash you could buy an LS motor and a turbo. Sure it would take some fab work, but you’d make a lot more power
"FTTOHG Has Moved to https://opposite-lock.com" (alphaass)
12/19/2017 at 21:33, STARS: 1
Good point. This one does (or did) have forged pistons and stronger rings installed. He was actually able to limp it like around like this for a week. That wouldn’t have been possible on a stock bottom end.
"FTTOHG Has Moved to https://opposite-lock.com" (alphaass)
12/19/2017 at 21:36, STARS: 0
Yes. This one is a GE that had custom internals and had been running fine at 400+ for a while now until the launch control fiasco.
"interstate366, now In The Industry" (interstate366)
12/19/2017 at 21:37, STARS: 6
Just stop.
"Dr. Zoidberg - RIP Oppo" (thetomselleck)
12/19/2017 at 21:39, STARS: 4
Ew.
"FTTOHG Has Moved to https://opposite-lock.com" (alphaass)
12/19/2017 at 21:42, STARS: 0
Honestly this one had been running pretty well for a while. Plenty of 2JZ-GE’s are running turbos. The trick is to get it professionally tuned and realize your limits. Once you get above 300 hp you’re going to have to start changing internals which means serious cash and time.
"interstate366, now In The Industry" (interstate366)
12/19/2017 at 21:42, STARS: 0
It’s probably better to just start with a GTE, honestly.
"FTTOHG Has Moved to https://opposite-lock.com" (alphaass)
12/19/2017 at 21:44, STARS: 0
Yep the one on the end has a chunk missing. There are also a lot of gauges. The scary thing is he can’t figure out where the metal went. Probably out the exhaust, but he took apart the turbo and the turbine seems fine.
"Dr. Zoidberg - RIP Oppo" (thetomselleck)
12/19/2017 at 21:45, STARS: 0
Cash and time? That’s two things I never have!
"Jordan and the Slowrunner, Boomer Intensifies" (jordanwphillips)
12/19/2017 at 21:46, STARS: 0
As long as you don’t try to go crazy on power, it probably would be fine. There are a couple of local daily driven turbo GE’s.
"FTTOHG Has Moved to https://opposite-lock.com" (alphaass)
12/19/2017 at 21:47, STARS: 0
Right now it’s become an issue of time more than anything else. He’s not wedded to Toyota parts (heck he swapped a Nissan transmission into it already) but he’s got some even it needs to get to in a couple weeks and the GTE should pretty much drop in. I imagine this thing will get an LS swap at some point. So much work has been done on the suspension of this car and the manual swap that I don’t think he’s going to be getting rid of it anytime soon.
"Sweet Trav" (thespunbearing)
12/19/2017 at 21:48, STARS: 1
I don’t stop giving good advice.
"Sweet Trav" (thespunbearing)
12/19/2017 at 21:49, STARS: 0
You can mate an LS motor to a Nissan trans. They make an adapter for that.
"Sweet Trav" (thespunbearing)
12/19/2017 at 21:50, STARS: 0
You may find it gross, but it’s not untrue
"2Fast2Furious: Rotary Powered" (2fast2furiousfc3s)
12/19/2017 at 21:50, STARS: 1
Ew, no.
"Dr. Zoidberg - RIP Oppo" (thetomselleck)
12/19/2017 at 21:52, STARS: 1
Recommending an LS swap to me is about as calculated as recommending a reliable car to Jake.
"Sweet Trav" (thespunbearing)
12/19/2017 at 21:54, STARS: 0
It’s not about appreciating a “good” motor, if the purpose is going fast, and you don’t already have a coyote motor in the car, swap an LS in and turbo it.
Any motor given the same budget will fail to make as much power as an LS build. These aren’t wild ass theories I’m coming up with, they are facts. The 2JZ isn’t the world beater it once was. There’s quite a few better, cheaper options now.
"2Fast2Furious: Rotary Powered" (2fast2furiousfc3s)
12/19/2017 at 21:55, STARS: 6
Wow the salt.
Sounds to me like you can’t appreciate a good motor.
I like LS’s as much as the next guy but I know you know they aren’t for everyone. The salt isn’t needed my friend
"Sweet Trav" (thespunbearing)
12/19/2017 at 21:55, STARS: 1
You can lead a person to good decision, but you can’t make them do it.
"2Fast2Furious: Rotary Powered" (2fast2furiousfc3s)
12/19/2017 at 21:56, STARS: 1
Ok fair game. But it’s not always about power, nobody is really looking for 1000 HP stock block builds lol
"Sweet Trav" (thespunbearing)
12/19/2017 at 21:56, STARS: 0
All production rotaries are hot flaming garbage too.
"FTTOHG Has Moved to https://opposite-lock.com" (alphaass)
12/19/2017 at 21:58, STARS: 1
I know that feel [stares into garage at Forester with mixed wheels and slowly sighs]
"Sweet Trav" (thespunbearing)
12/19/2017 at 21:59, STARS: 0
You’re right, it’s not all about power, but when a built engine gets its shit kicked by a $350 200k junkyard motor with an EBay turbo it really makes you reevaluate your decisions.
"2Fast2Furious: Rotary Powered" (2fast2furiousfc3s)
12/19/2017 at 22:00, STARS: 1
Great opinion.
It’s not like I said “all LS’s suck bro”
Your obviously targeting my name. I’m not hating don’t be like that
Why else would you bring up rotaries in a 2j vs LS thread...
"Dr. Zoidberg - RIP Oppo" (thetomselleck)
12/19/2017 at 22:01, STARS: 6
You should try being more obnoxious
"interstate366, now In The Industry" (interstate366)
12/19/2017 at 22:02, STARS: 0
When did you start?
"Dr. Zoidberg - RIP Oppo" (thetomselleck)
12/19/2017 at 22:02, STARS: 0
Hey, that Forester will save you money in the long run. Money you can use for bad ideas.
"Sweet Trav" (thespunbearing)
12/19/2017 at 22:04, STARS: 0
Facts are facts. Obnoxious as they may be.
"Sweet Trav" (thespunbearing)
12/19/2017 at 22:07, STARS: 0
1992.
"Dr. Zoidberg - RIP Oppo" (thetomselleck)
12/19/2017 at 22:07, STARS: 5
Are you having a rough night? You’re approaching double-digit comments on this post shit-talking other motors and fellating the LS.
"AestheticsInMotion" (aestheticsinmotion)
12/19/2017 at 22:07, STARS: 0
But the work required to get that Lexus beefed up to the point of handling LS levels of power for more than one run would be a huge investment in both money and time
"Sweet Trav" (thespunbearing)
12/19/2017 at 22:08, STARS: 0
No I’m having a great night actually.
"interstate366, now In The Industry" (interstate366)
12/19/2017 at 22:11, STARS: 2
I have some for you: being an insufferable douche isn’t a good way to get people to listen to you, let alone agree with you. Take it or leave it, I don’t care.
"Sweet Trav" (thespunbearing)
12/19/2017 at 22:16, STARS: 0
And calling someone an insufferable douche doesn’t change the validity of facts.
"Sweet Trav" (thespunbearing)
12/19/2017 at 22:19, STARS: 0
Well Op already said the owner had a Nissan trans, which could theoretically handle an LS motor. I mean sure you’d have to do a little fabrication, but you’d probably still make more power for less. Plus the owner has already expressed openness to an LS swap, my point is just jump right to the conclusion, because the interim step is probably just a waste of time and resources.
"aberson Bresident of the FullyAssed Committe" (emaxxbl)
12/19/2017 at 22:22, STARS: 1
If everyone just swapped an LS into their builds because they’re better on paper the car world would be a very boring place. Not everyone wants a simple V8 that billie-joe could build in his backyard.
"interstate366, now In The Industry" (interstate366)
12/19/2017 at 22:24, STARS: 0
It doesn’t, but the wrong attitude can cause them to fall on deaf ears quickly.
"AestheticsInMotion" (aestheticsinmotion)
12/19/2017 at 22:24, STARS: 0
You should LS swap your blender
"Dr. Zoidberg - RIP Oppo" (thetomselleck)
12/19/2017 at 22:25, STARS: 0
You’ll have to recommend it about two more dozen times for me to consider it.
"Sweet Trav" (thespunbearing)
12/19/2017 at 22:29, STARS: 0
Ehh. I’m never going to find a Toyota red top or a Nissan RB interesting. Frankly I don’t see how any one can. I’d rather see the craftsmanship of a good swap with “boring” engine than a slow car that is daring to be “different”
"AestheticsInMotion" (aestheticsinmotion)
12/19/2017 at 22:32, STARS: 0
It’s the most efficient way to improve your blending performance. If you take your blending seriously there’s no other option that makes sense. Face the facts
*can also juice
"RacinBob" (racinbob)
12/19/2017 at 23:05, STARS: 0
If you could get the oil pan off. Drop it, remove the offending crank and install a new piston and rings. Hone in place, and assuming the valves are still straight it might just run....
Ps, check the intake manifold and head ports for the chunk, often that’s where they end up.
"FTTOHG Has Moved to https://opposite-lock.com" (alphaass)
12/19/2017 at 23:22, STARS: 0
Yeah I’m not sure what his ultimate plan is for this. The valves looked OK but probably need new guides. You’re right that it does look very rebuildable but short term he’s just going for a used GTE long block because there is one nearby.
"FTTOHG Has Moved to https://opposite-lock.com" (alphaass)
12/19/2017 at 23:26, STARS: 0
I have no idea what you’re talking about. (Searches for SVX’s again... oh my God there is one for sale down the street from me... https://sanantonio.craigslist.org/cto/d/1992-subaru-svx-ls-collector/6403138313.html )
"Dr. Zoidberg - RIP Oppo" (thetomselleck)
12/19/2017 at 23:30, STARS: 2
What’s the worst that can happen?
... :(
"RacinBob" (racinbob)
12/20/2017 at 08:07, STARS: 0
Yep, the dangers of distracted posting. I meant to say rod instead of crank..
It’s amazing how junk can go through engines and you throw new pistons at them and they are fine. Granted, other pistons could be hurt too. As such, changing a piston is more of a hail mary play, though if you can drop the pan a lot less work than changing the complete engine.
What really gets to be the hassle is if a part tags a valve. First, you need head work and if the valve stem is bent, almost always the guide cracks and breaks. I figure the piece of piston having melted is somewhat soft. The guide is carbide and is not.....
"Discerning" (discerning2003c5z)
12/20/2017 at 16:49, STARS: 0
Fun fact: there isn’t a single LS motor in the 5's in the quarter mile. The same thing cannot be said of the 2JZ.
"Sweet Trav" (thespunbearing)
12/21/2017 at 08:33, STARS: 0
Fun Fact: A stock bottom end 5.3L has gone 7.81
http://www.lsxmag.com/news/fastest-stock-bottom-end-5-3-ls-in-the-world-goes-7-81/
I cant find a stock bottom end 2JZ in the 8's.
I’m not saying for a PRO-MOD an LS motor is the best in the world, Id argue its actually a mod motor. But for a street/strip car on the cheap, its this or Coyote. Everything else is a waste of time, money, and effort.
"Discerning" (discerning2003c5z)
12/21/2017 at 10:24, STARS: 0
Agreed. You can’t beat an LS motor for cheap speed. People have made tons of power with a completely stock 4.8 and 5.3. Even the aluminum 5.3's.
I sold a C5Z a few months ago so I’m pretty aware of LS potential.