by "Spanfeller is a twat" (theaspiringengineer)
Published 12/08/2017 at 22:27
by "Spanfeller is a twat" (theaspiringengineer)
Published 12/08/2017 at 22:27
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A friend of mine sent me a tweet about the previous professions of the many leaders of Europe
Now, where the eye meets, clearly the countries with engineers (Greece and Turkey most prominently) are kinda messed up, he said engineers shouldn’t be leaders, only lawyers should. Now, he triggered me.
Because I actually think he is kinda right, engineers don’t have a job when it comes to legislation or judiciary positions. But, what about the executive branch? Because governments do a lot of shit that generally has to do with other professions that offer stark contrast with law. But here in Mexico lawyers basically control the cabinet , I’m not sure this is good. I’d argue for more engineers and finance people. thoughts?
"Wheelerguy" (wheelerguy)
12/08/2017 at 22:32, STARS: 2
lol Sweden has no degree
"HFV has no HFV. But somehow has 2 motorcycles" (hondasfordsvolvo)
12/08/2017 at 22:35, STARS: 1
One previous profession government leaders should have? Reality TV star.
"not for canada - australian in disguise" (for-canada)
12/08/2017 at 22:36, STARS: 1
I would’ve thought more heads of government would have political science degrees. But, it does make sense the amount of lawyers. Every other politician seems to have a law degree no matter the country.
"Spanfeller is a twat" (theaspiringengineer)
12/08/2017 at 22:37, STARS: 1
Did you see the list? they put a lawyer as the Secretary of Energy, that is insane!
"Spanfeller is a twat" (theaspiringengineer)
12/08/2017 at 22:37, STARS: 0
Sweden doesn’t need government, Sweds are far too nice on their own.
"Spanfeller is a twat" (theaspiringengineer)
12/08/2017 at 22:38, STARS: 0
Yeah, I must say that compared to the US our cabinet is filled with nerds.
"interstate366, now In The Industry" (interstate366)
12/08/2017 at 22:38, STARS: 1
Eh, Finland isn’t too bad. Moldova is somewhere in between since they have a breakaway state in the east. Also, Poroshenko (Ukraine) having a degree in international relations is kind of amusing given what’s gone on there the past few years.
"pip bip - choose Corrour" (hhgttg69)
12/08/2017 at 22:40, STARS: 2
could be a lot worse, could be run by ex-union bosses.
"Spanfeller is a twat" (theaspiringengineer)
12/08/2017 at 22:40, STARS: 1
I know, but like, we need to talk about the huge Erdogan in the room.
"Spanfeller is a twat" (theaspiringengineer)
12/08/2017 at 22:42, STARS: 0
Which gov has that?
I think that we need a board of directors and not a secretary that is appointed by a president (the board perhaps partially chosen by the president) , I’d love it if more Mexican institutions were independent.
"ranwhenparked" (ranwhenparked)
12/08/2017 at 22:42, STARS: 2
Also, more auto mechanics.
"benjrblant" (benjblant)
12/08/2017 at 22:43, STARS: 3
Now, where the eye meets, clearly the countries with engineers (Greece and Turkey most prominently) are kinda messed up, he said engineers shouldn’t be leaders, only lawyers should.
This is not a valid argument. It assumes that the state of these nations are the way they are because of their current political leader. In reality, the political and economic conditions of Greece and Turkey did not happen overnight. You’d need to look at their previous leaders’ education background for a more realistic perspective.
"Spanfeller is a twat" (theaspiringengineer)
12/08/2017 at 22:43, STARS: 0
Last guy is a Mechanical engineer, and if he is “Meade’s best friend” then he has a lot of future in high level positions (if Meade wins the elections come July)
"Spanfeller is a twat" (theaspiringengineer)
12/08/2017 at 22:44, STARS: 0
Yeah, its why I argued back to him that he was being short sighted! Although, I think that in the case of Turkey, Erdogan causes many problems too!
"pip bip - choose Corrour" (hhgttg69)
12/08/2017 at 22:45, STARS: 0
ours in the not too distant future the way the current one is going
"Urambo Tauro" (urambotauro)
12/08/2017 at 22:47, STARS: 0
Neat map.
Georgia: Philosophy
Now that’s an interesting background. Makes me wish I’d been paying more attention to Georgia. I honestly don’t know anything about their current president.
"Highlander-Datsuns are Forever" (jamesbowland)
12/08/2017 at 22:47, STARS: 4
USA: flunked fifth grade.
"dogisbadob" (dogisbadob)
12/08/2017 at 22:49, STARS: 2
That Bulgarian firefighter tho
"Spanfeller is a twat" (theaspiringengineer)
12/08/2017 at 22:50, STARS: 0
You make Australia sound like an accident waiting to happen, Mate.
Do you mean, ran by union bosses, or with independent agencies?
I think that union bosses can be good if they are the good union bosses, and not selfish assholes that hate children and teachers.
"Spanfeller is a twat" (theaspiringengineer)
12/08/2017 at 22:53, STARS: 0
Yeah, again, you guys make our cabinet seem almost adequate.
"Spanfeller is a twat" (theaspiringengineer)
12/08/2017 at 22:55, STARS: 0
Its an interesting country surely.
We have a Medical Doctor as our chief of federal police.
"TheRealBicycleBuck" (therealbicyclebuck)
12/08/2017 at 23:02, STARS: 3
I work for an engineering firm. From my perspective, most engineers lack the social skills to be effective leaders. There are a few sales guys that manage to get degrees in engineering, but they are few and far between. It’s the social sales guys that bring in all of the work because they know how to talk to the politicians, but they can’t engineer their way out of a paper bag. The politicians are the ones that have all the public contracts (think roads, bridges, civil works). The sales guys get the contracts. The engineers are the ones who get all the work done.
"For Sweden" (rallybeetle)
12/08/2017 at 23:04, STARS: 3
Degrees are too conservative
"interstate366, now In The Industry" (interstate366)
12/08/2017 at 23:08, STARS: 0
Oh, I’m very aware of Erdogan.
"Spanfeller is a twat" (theaspiringengineer)
12/08/2017 at 23:12, STARS: 2
Argument I made, I have no social skills and I want to be one!
But I think that having someone being able to call out shit by the bad engineers is very important and lacking here. In the end the engineers might have no social skills but they certainly have great understanding of math, and logic
"DC3 LS, will be perpetually replacing cars until the end of time" (dc3ls-)
12/08/2017 at 23:14, STARS: 0
And France too! I was expecting music or literature tbh though.
"DC3 LS, will be perpetually replacing cars until the end of time" (dc3ls-)
12/08/2017 at 23:16, STARS: 1
That’s what I was about to say. I wanna know what it’s like there.
"Distraxi's idea of perfection is a Jagroen" (distraxi)
12/08/2017 at 23:47, STARS: 0
Anyone whose happy place is so clearly a Landie should be running ALL the countries!
"Shamoononon drives like a farmer" (shamoononon)
12/08/2017 at 23:51, STARS: 0
Sweden has no degree?
"Spanfeller is a twat" (theaspiringengineer)
12/08/2017 at 23:52, STARS: 0
nope
"Shamoononon drives like a farmer" (shamoononon)
12/09/2017 at 00:01, STARS: 0
I am an engineer. I have no social skills, people sometimes get wide eyed talking to me like they can’t believe I just said something or that I just sat and looked at them but I’m a bit extreme (p.s. it’s also pretty lonely not getting people socially). I’m pretty good at talking people into things even if I’m full of shit.
"itranthelasttimeiparkedit" (itranthelasttimeiparkedit)
12/09/2017 at 00:05, STARS: 0
there is hope for me yet =p
"Hi! My Name Is Rossssssss" (himynameisross)
12/09/2017 at 00:09, STARS: 0
you belong in Sales!
"pip bip - choose Corrour" (hhgttg69)
12/09/2017 at 00:09, STARS: 0
We are an accident waiting to happen
The ex union leaders are fucking useless tools and morons who are only interested in feathering their own nests
"Spanfeller is a twat" (theaspiringengineer)
12/09/2017 at 00:12, STARS: 0
I think they’ve earnt the stereotype.
"ranwhenparked" (ranwhenparked)
12/09/2017 at 00:16, STARS: 0
She’s already got like 16 out of 193 UN members, that’s more than most.
"TheRealBicycleBuck" (therealbicyclebuck)
12/09/2017 at 07:13, STARS: 0
Once you enter the profession, you will learn that situations are always more complicated than you realize. In that tunnel collapse, if they had closed the road and the tunnel didn’t collapse, the public would have been angry, businesses would have lost time and money, everyone would have blamed the officials, and the officials would have blamed the engineers. When the contracts are written on road jobs, they often contain language that imposes fines for interrupting traffic. This creates an incentive to take some risk. Every contract contains some risk and its a matter of managing that risk.
"duurtlang" (duurtlang)
12/09/2017 at 12:28, STARS: 0
For Greece, sure. But Erdogan is the one that effectively banned free speech and political opposition in Turkey. That’s all on him and his cronies. I’m not saying it’s due to his education though.
"Bman76 (hates WS6 hoods, is on his phone and has 4 burners now)" (bman76-4)
12/09/2017 at 16:12, STARS: 0
Is very cold, no degrees.
"xc90v8/I4 :(" (xc90v8)
12/09/2017 at 19:25, STARS: 0
Have you checked on any of the facts?
What does leaders even mean?
The executive? Or the legislative?
"Spanfeller is a twat" (theaspiringengineer)
12/09/2017 at 19:28, STARS: 0
What do you mean by facts?
I suppose that map puts leaders as presidents or PMs
I’d like to see more engineers in the Executive branch, not the legislative except for perhaps a consultant group for very technical bills.
"xc90v8/I4 :(" (xc90v8)
12/10/2017 at 09:21, STARS: 0
I could this have a map like this made up really quickly by just writing something..
I don’t know but I looked it up for switzerland and from the 7 members that make up the executive in switzerland only one has studied law.
So I don’t know what this map shows exactly but I’m always careful to come to conclusions from looking at this sort of thing.
"Spanfeller is a twat" (theaspiringengineer)
12/10/2017 at 10:12, STARS: 0
It makes sense to be careful, specially because governments in Europe tend to be more complex than the presidential system we have in Mexico or in the US. Plus, Switzerland I think has a great system: make every canton give a member to the federal executive branch!
But it remains true that at least in The US and Mexico, leaders tend to be lawyers, I’m not sure this is a good thing because lawyers should be making laws, not necessarily choosing an infrastructure budget. I actually found the original source of the Europe map, its in Reddit (like everything else in the internet) but it did not explain the methodology, or the dating.
"xc90v8/I4 :(" (xc90v8)
12/10/2017 at 10:56, STARS: 0
That’s not exactly how it works in Switzerland but that’s for another time.
I don’t think lawyers should be making laws either. They like laws and won’t stop. Less laws is better in my opinion. Well they probably should be writing them but not decide what sort they make.
Thanks for the link. Here’s a world one I found in the reddit discussion.
https://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/9/9f/World_leaders_by_educational_background.svg
"Spanfeller is a twat" (theaspiringengineer)
12/10/2017 at 11:05, STARS: 0
I was lied to!
Yes, lawyers like writing complex laws so that more people go to them for assistance, but then, lawyers know how to write loophole-less laws.
If I wrote a simple law, even like “The national speed limit is 120km/h” it would probably have a lot of loopholes and issues, like, is it the speed limit in the sky? or is it the speed limit over a bridge if we decided it was the land speed limit?
