by "Dr. Zoidberg - RIP Oppo" (thetomselleck)
Published 12/06/2017 at 21:48
by "Dr. Zoidberg - RIP Oppo" (thetomselleck)
Published 12/06/2017 at 21:48
Tags: Toyota
STARS: 0
Hah, just kidding. I can’t tell you much about them. But I did sit in one for 3 minutes on the dealer floor. Here are my thoughts:
The ceiling is... shockingly low. I’m 5'11" and my hair is close to hitting the headliner. And yes I put the power seat all the way down. There is less headroom than the Taco, maybe because the 4Runner has a moonroof? Anyway. It’s a huge car, but not as big as you’d think on interior space.
Seats are firm and comfy. It’s a nice car... The wheels are... [winces]... and scream “mall crawler.”
Everything I care about are operated by buttons and knobs, a plus for me but I’m not sure someone who’s cross-shopping bigly New SUVs would be impressed.
It’s 2017 and the heated and cooled seats are operated by a single dial per seat. It’s typical Toyota: modern technology operated by a 90s knob, button, or dial. I would love this in any car. But definitely doesn’t feel up to date.
It does still have the TRUCK feel which I enjoy. But the outside looks like something you’d see in a Bellevue shopping center parking lot. Running boards are a nuisance. They don’t stick out far enough to use and rob even more ground clearance. And this truck isn’t even that high. No one over 5'2" would need to use them.
Conclusion: I can’t afford one.
Thank you.
"CB" (jrcb)
12/06/2017 at 21:54, STARS: 1
Would jkm rather this or a new Jetta?
"Dr. Zoidberg - RIP Oppo" (thetomselleck)
12/06/2017 at 21:55, STARS: 0
I don’t think jkm is ever going back to VAGCOM.
"LongbowMkII" (longbowmkii)
12/06/2017 at 21:56, STARS: 1
nothing? I’m going to go with nothing. if they depreciated it could be interesting, but nah.
"CB" (jrcb)
12/06/2017 at 21:56, STARS: 1
Or coming back to Oppo.
"Dr. Zoidberg - RIP Oppo" (thetomselleck)
12/06/2017 at 21:58, STARS: 0
Was it something I said? :(
"sm70- why not Duesenberg?" (sm70-whynotduesenberg)
12/06/2017 at 21:59, STARS: 0
The loaded 4Runner is one of those cars I’d just never buy. For that price, if I really wanted to go offroad and have leather seats, I’d buy a loaded Wrangler. Otherwise I’d get an actual luxury vehicle like a GLC. And if I was hell bent on having both, I’d get a used 200-Series.
"vicali" (vicali)
12/06/2017 at 22:00, STARS: 1
When we bought the Taco the sales rep tried to get us into a Limited- leather seats, premium sound, super fancy radar thingies.. I was already paying for the fake hood scoop- the big chrome wheels were too much.
"CB" (jrcb)
12/06/2017 at 22:00, STARS: 0
Dunno, probably not. I have a feeling I probably didn’t help with pissing him off at one point (constant questioning about why someone has a box of ammo sitting in their truck), but he hasn’t posted since October.
"Dr. Zoidberg - RIP Oppo" (thetomselleck)
12/06/2017 at 22:03, STARS: 0
You asked an American why he carries ammo? Have you questioned the moistness of water as well?
"CB" (jrcb)
12/06/2017 at 22:04, STARS: 0
It’s just foreign to me to carry ammo and guns without them being locked up. Cultural differences.
"Dr. Zoidberg - RIP Oppo" (thetomselleck)
12/06/2017 at 22:05, STARS: 0
Good call.
"Daily Drives a Dragon - One Last Lap" (ddadragon)
12/06/2017 at 22:06, STARS: 1
I sat in a 5th gen TRD pro and was quite disappointed
"ToyotaFamily" (robbav35)
12/06/2017 at 22:07, STARS: 1
Those running boards should be power retracting. You can set them to automatically fold out, manually, or just not at all.
"Dr. Zoidberg - RIP Oppo" (thetomselleck)
12/06/2017 at 22:08, STARS: 4
I find that people who buy new 4Runners are often people replacing their older 4Runners. In the 80s it was a truck. In the 90s is was an SUV (as we know today). As they got older their needs changed. They want the truck feel but they got 3 kids now. Dammit they need airbags. Now the kids are gone. But theure pushing 50. So they go for comfort. But still enough room to haul around the grandkids.
"OpposResidentLexusGuy - USE20, XF20, XU30 and Press Cars" (jakeauern)
12/06/2017 at 22:08, STARS: 0
I drove around with one on my hip today. ‘Merica.
"Dr. Zoidberg - RIP Oppo" (thetomselleck)
12/06/2017 at 22:09, STARS: 0
That explains it.
"Dr. Zoidberg - RIP Oppo" (thetomselleck)
12/06/2017 at 22:09, STARS: 2
P E R L A T I K S
"CB" (jrcb)
12/06/2017 at 22:09, STARS: 1
¯\_()_/¯
"fintail" (fintail)
12/06/2017 at 22:21, STARS: 0
A co-worker of mine (middle aged woman) wants one of these bad. Her mid 00s Quest is over 200K now (original owner), and she’s ready to move on. Being used to Bush-era tech, the 4Runner should be an easy switch. I suspect she’ll be in one within 2 months.
"Nothing" (nothingatalluseful)
12/06/2017 at 22:32, STARS: 1
It was between this and the Grand Cherokee for my wife. The Jeep was a little more plush for her. Just having a roll down rear window would’ve had me leaning 4Runner.
"gmporschenut also a fan of hondas" (gmporschenut)
12/06/2017 at 22:40, STARS: 2
solidly built. But, what amazes me is almost 40k and no automatic headlights.
"camarov6rs" (mren2011)
12/06/2017 at 22:44, STARS: 0
I don’t quite understand Toyota’s thinking with trying to position the 4Runner as something “high end” when the design and feel of the interior is so truck like and some what dated. Also the way they arranged the seat, just like in the Tacoma, is horrendous. To me they gave you ground clearance by shifting the floor up to your hips.
"Dr. Zoidberg - RIP Oppo" (thetomselleck)
12/06/2017 at 22:54, STARS: 0
It’s like they’re designed as basic trucks and then the try to add a bunch of features on top, instead of designing it as though it were purpose-built for luxury. My 2014 Taco doesn’t even have intermittent wipers. Talk about cost cutting.
"Dr. Zoidberg - RIP Oppo" (thetomselleck)
12/06/2017 at 22:55, STARS: 0
The rear window is and has always been the best feature (RIP removable top)
"HammerheadFistpunch" (hammerheadfistpunch)
12/06/2017 at 23:05, STARS: 3
True story; the current 4Runner is within an inch or 2 of my 80 series in exterior dimensions, but its a LOT smaller feeling on the inside. I was super unimpressed when I drove one, we bought the fancy version with the V8 instead.
"Dr. Zoidberg - RIP Oppo" (thetomselleck)
12/06/2017 at 23:07, STARS: 2
That’s another thing that irks me. Just the 4.0 V6. For seemingly forever. Really. That’s why I think the 4th gen with the 2UZ is so sought after.
"My bird IS the word" (mybirdistheword)
12/06/2017 at 23:12, STARS: 0
The limited is a dumb car (tm) but the Trd off-road premium isn’t as much. I’m thinking of getting one with my job.
"HammerheadFistpunch" (hammerheadfistpunch)
12/06/2017 at 23:13, STARS: 2
Trouble is (and this is coming from the Toyota source mouth) the 2UZ made LESS hp than the V6 when it came out (230 vs 245) and people saw that, the price premium and the mileage penalty and passed, even when it was updated to 260 people were still “meh, its only 15 hp more, I’ll save my monies” Not knowing of course what average power or power under the curve meant. our 263 hp 2uz feels a LOT stronger than even the updated 270 hp 1gr in the 5th gen. it was a poor take rate. To be fair, it does get crap mileage but man it moves. I suspect the next gen will get the 3.5, which is terrible news because its just not as powerful a motor, maybe a 4.0 version with 300 hp would do the trick. same block, wouldn’t be too hard to make higher flowing heads and call it a day.
"Dr. Zoidberg - RIP Oppo" (thetomselleck)
12/06/2017 at 23:16, STARS: 3
I love the 2UZ. It paired with a 1st gen Tundra is nearly perfect. I’ll take crap mileage for power on demand. But I haven’t owned a car with decent fuel economy since college so...
"R Saldana [|Oo|======|oO|] - BTC/ETH/LTC Prophet" (r-saldana)
12/06/2017 at 23:27, STARS: 0
^this, I was so happy to climb back into my Disco after driving a couple different trim levels. Especially when they would budge from 6k> than MSRP because they wanted me to use Toyota finance 72 months at 0% APR
"Shift24" (the-nope)
12/07/2017 at 00:09, STARS: 0
Over priced, reliable junk. Dated period. Only reason it’s still being sold is because it’s made in Japan and needed it for the more popular Lexus GX.
"RPM esq." (rpm3)
12/07/2017 at 03:06, STARS: 0
Going from an FJ80 to a V8 4th-gen 4Runner changed my life. And the mileage doesn’t bug me because it’s still better than the 80 was, and the tank is big so the range is plenty for me (namely: father than my bladder will go between stops on a road trip).
"brandon" (messeduprex1)
12/07/2017 at 06:35, STARS: 0
I love my 2016 SR5. im 6ft and have no headroom issues, but i also dont have a sunroof. that being said the TRD Off Road or PRO in my opinion are better then the Limited.
"Under_Score" (tomtheatum)
12/07/2017 at 08:29, STARS: 0
4Runners are cool, but Highlanders are much better in terms of pretty much everything. If these 4Runners don’t have Toyota Safety Sense, that just makes it even worse.
"Textured Soy Protein" (texturedsoyprotein)
12/07/2017 at 10:18, STARS: 1
Only problem with not buying a loaded 4Runner is on this generation Toyota cheaped out and removed the Torsen center LSD that provides awd mode from all trims except the Limited. It used to be standard but now unless you buy the Limited you’re stuck with part-time shift-on-the-fly 4wd.
"Textured Soy Protein" (texturedsoyprotein)
12/07/2017 at 10:21, STARS: 0
If you think the ceiling is low and the interior is cramped on the 5th gen, try out the 4th gen. You’re sitting way down on the floor in that one looking way up over the dash. The 5th gen at least somewhat resembles a normal seating position.
I had an SR5 Premium or something like that for a weekend round trip from Madison to Chicago. I thought the step-in height was rather high and could use running boards.
The Limited that you sat in is the only way to get the Torsen center LSD that used to be standard on all trims on the 4th gen but Toyota cheaped out and ditched it on everything except the Limited on the 5th gen. All the other trims are stuck with part-time 4wd with no center differential.
"HammerheadFistpunch" (hammerheadfistpunch)
12/07/2017 at 10:24, STARS: 0
Really? Cause the range on my GX stinks. 18 mpg highway and 21 gallons? It’s not much better range than the 80
"Party-vi" (party-vi)
12/07/2017 at 10:54, STARS: 0
Gross silver-painted knobs and dash material. Absolute garbage considering how much these cost and the fact that the engine is 15 years old and the transmission is 10 years old.
"RPM esq." (rpm3)
12/07/2017 at 11:00, STARS: 0
That’s about what I get and it’ll get me 80-100 miles farther than the 80 did, faster and in greater comfort. I’ll take it. My judgement may be impacted by my other car’s combination of small tank and terrible mileage though.
"HammerheadFistpunch" (hammerheadfistpunch)
12/07/2017 at 13:46, STARS: 0
You had the 3f engine though, right? I get about the same 300 miles range on either of mine.
"HammerheadFistpunch" (hammerheadfistpunch)
12/07/2017 at 13:46, STARS: 0
It think it was always limited only. At least with the 4th gen as well as the 5th. 3rd gen didn’t have a Torsen center either.
"Textured Soy Protein" (texturedsoyprotein)
12/07/2017 at 13:50, STARS: 0
Electronic on-demand awd/ft4wd was introduced on the 3rd gen 99-00 Limited and standard on all trims for 01-02. The 99-00 Limited had an optional rear locker, all 01-02 trims used ATRAC.
Torsen was standard on all 4th gens. There were two t-cases: the V6 had a rwd mode, the V8 did not, but both had Torsen. The 09 Trail Edition had an optional rear locker.
(Also, for whatever reason, Torsen was standard on the stick shift FJ but not the automatic.)
"HammerheadFistpunch" (hammerheadfistpunch)
12/07/2017 at 13:52, STARS: 1
I look at the age of the trans and engine as selling points to be honest. Tried and true. I mean its still 270 hp and 278 in a nice low stress, low revving engine, pretty competitive given the intentionally low rev range. The 5 speed is a little dated, no question, but its rock solid and its not like going from 6 to 8 really helped the land cruiser get better mileage.
The dash is an abomination though.
Im really interested to see what the next design brings I bet you its the 3.5 from the Tacoma with a little more aggressive timing and a few more revs to get it up to 300 hp and the new 8 speed from the Land Cruiser. Hopefully they tone down the doofy looks and focus on usability a little. The chunky knobs are nice and usable and all but so dorky and late 90's “tough”.
"HammerheadFistpunch" (hammerheadfistpunch)
12/07/2017 at 13:58, STARS: 0
um...wat?
The reason it still exists is because its making money hand over fist ESPECIALLY compared to the GX. The 4runner outsells the MINI and Land Rover BRANDS...combined.
"Party-vi" (party-vi)
12/07/2017 at 14:00, STARS: 0
Toyota must be making bank off of these and Tacomas, and that dealers rarely mark these down? Goodness gracious.
"HammerheadFistpunch" (hammerheadfistpunch)
12/07/2017 at 14:02, STARS: 0
the 3rd gen didn’t have a torsen center I can tell you that for sure, it was either open or open over VC.
You are right about the torsen in the 4th gen, but I didn’t realize it had it as an option on the part time system.
"HammerheadFistpunch" (hammerheadfistpunch)
12/07/2017 at 14:08, STARS: 2
they are on track to sell over 118,000 4runners this year and 180,000 Tacoma’s. That Toyota GR tooling is LONG since paid for.
"Textured Soy Protein" (texturedsoyprotein)
12/07/2017 at 14:19, STARS: 0
Right, I knew the 3rd gen wasn’t Torsen. But I had it in my head that the multi-mode system on the 3rd gen was electronic on-demand with a clutch pack, because it often is referred to as electronic in some way, but it’s actually an open diff. It’s just shifted electronically.
Anyway, point is, 4Runners had standard center diffs of some kind from 01-09.
Here’s the ’99 Limited with rear locker that I owned for a couple days :
"RPM esq." (rpm3)
12/07/2017 at 14:51, STARS: 0
Yes, that’s a good point.
"Shift24" (the-nope)
12/07/2017 at 14:53, STARS: 0
I could have sworn it was the opposite, definitely wrong. Though I stick by the outdated part but Toyota has been known for that. There wasnt a model change in 14 was there? Was it a face lift? just curious on the up tick in 2014.
"HammerheadFistpunch" (hammerheadfistpunch)
12/07/2017 at 15:19, STARS: 0
Its been 8 years for this version, so its at the end of its life cycle, 2014 got a facelift and gas started getting cheap again.
"Shift24" (the-nope)
12/07/2017 at 15:27, STARS: 0
Forgot about the gas drop. Now is it normally 8 years for the 4runner? I know the N60 was 6 years.
"HammerheadFistpunch" (hammerheadfistpunch)
12/07/2017 at 15:29, STARS: 0
6 seems to be standard. I think they are having a hard time pulling the plug on such a hot selling vehicle, even dated. I guess thats what you get when all the competition drops out.
"Shift24" (the-nope)
12/07/2017 at 22:30, STARS: 0
Very true, I mean it’s out selling the previous gen during its SUV boom in the early 2000s. I am interested in what the next gen will be like
"Chan - Mid-engine with cabin fever" (superchan7)
12/08/2017 at 21:02, STARS: 0
Headroom seems to be an issue on Japanese cars.
For a short while I had a Lexus ES350—thoroughly nice car and a roomy interior, except for the headroom which left my short hair brushing the headliner at the roof rail. The sunroof takes an inch, but even without it I would still have been too close.
I’m 6'1 and I can’t imagine why they still sell mainstream cars with such poor headroom.
"Dr. Zoidberg - RIP Oppo" (thetomselleck)
12/08/2017 at 21:05, STARS: 0
Drive a 2016 Accent sometime. You’ll actually be staring directly at the roof as it slopes into the windshield.