Can evil lessen evil? 

Kinja'd!!! by "Spanfeller is a twat" (theaspiringengineer)
Published 11/23/2017 at 13:58

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Kinja'd!!!

What country am I?

1. South of my border lie dangerous nations from which millions wish to escape.

2. the militarization of my border was ignored for many years, the offenses that law enforcement has committed never go under scrutiny.

3. most of our border control is based on profiling.

Who am I?

Well. Its not the United States. Its Mexico.

And we’ve known it for years.

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But this video which explains it quite nicely in english, it made me ponder this question: Does evil lessen evil.

Because, had Obama and Peña Nieto not increased border enforcement in 2014, the US would have huge border issue, and the violations to human rights that it would have caused would’ve been reported to a much deeper extent than the violations here. History in the US would have been much less whitewashed and maybe white resentment of these people would have been a much bigger issue

More liberals would try to distance themselves from the Democrats and Obama for signing a deal with the devil, and more Republicans would have more racial juice to go around.

It maybe would not have been a case of an president loosing the popular vote. but actually wining it with a disturbing margin and having the political power to do horrible racist and xenophobic things.

So I don’t know how to feel about it, other than great sorrow.


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Kinja'd!!! "DipodomysDeserti" (dipodomysdeserti)
11/23/2017 at 15:27, STARS: 2

Most Americans (and Mexicans) couldn’t care less about southern Mexico. That border was militarized long before 2014.

Kinja'd!!!

Pretty appropriate post for today as the indigenous people in Chiapas are the ones who have really been screwed over by all this.

Kinja'd!!! "Spanfeller is a twat" (theaspiringengineer)
11/23/2017 at 17:48, STARS: 0

that’s why it would be a disaster if all of this happened in the US border.

Kinja'd!!! "DipodomysDeserti" (dipodomysdeserti)
11/23/2017 at 20:42, STARS: 0

The southern US border is also militarized. US Border Patrol falls under the Department of Homeland Security so they don’t have to report anything that happens. There are Indian Reservations in southern Arizona that span the Mexican border and they experience lots of abuse by USBP. The US considers the border to exist 100 miles north of the border and will conduct raids on communities inside the US. El Uly has posted about raids happening near his neighborhood in Texas. Border Patrol agents in the US have even fired into Mexico and killed children on the southern side of the border.

https://www.npr.org/sections/thetwo-way/2017/02/20/516275461/high-court-to-hear-arguments-in-case-of-mexican-boy-killed-in-cross-border-shoot  

Kinja'd!!! "Spanfeller is a twat" (theaspiringengineer)
11/23/2017 at 21:29, STARS: 1

Yes, I know that, its what I’m arguing! The US-Mexico border is a mess with a lot of human rights violated very often and reported often, now imagine if all the caos down south moved to the american border and actually was reported to the full extent, I think it could have had a political impact, and I think it would’ve been for the collective worse because it would just feed Fox News’ stupid agenda!

Rumor has it that everytime someone’s deported Sean Hannity gets a micro-hard-on 

Kinja'd!!! "Rusty Vandura - www.tinyurl.com/keepoppo" (rustyvandura)
11/24/2017 at 15:56, STARS: 0

Good morning, and Happy Thanksgiving! Is this something you follow, or is it something you have firsthand experience with? You seem to know quite a bit.

Kinja'd!!! "DipodomysDeserti" (dipodomysdeserti)
11/24/2017 at 17:05, STARS: 0

Thanks, you as well! Both. Spent lots of time backpacking in the borderlands and used to build houses in northern Mexico for charity, so issues surrounding the southern border have always been of interst to me. I have friends that have worked for DHS and friends that have had to deal with DHS, so I’ve heard and seen both sides of the issue. I also used to work with a guy whose family owned a farm in Chiapas so I’m somewhat familiar with the issues going on down there.

Indigenous issues and movements have always been of great interest and comcern to me, so I’ve followed then quite a but over the years.

Kinja'd!!! "Rusty Vandura - www.tinyurl.com/keepoppo" (rustyvandura)
11/24/2017 at 17:13, STARS: 0

Excellent. Thank you for filling me in on that. I am a public school educator and I have many Spanish-speaking students and I have been working at learning Spanish and with the assistance of Google Translate, I can almost speak like a second grader. (What little Spanish I know, I know it better than many of my Spanish speakers because I know language .) GT is useful for simply constructed sentences. But I see the angst that the current POTUS is causing with the Hispanic/Latino families I serve with his various culture wars and I despise it.

My view of things, without the granularity that you have, is of a resource caste system that political maps seek to enforce. Ultimately, it strikes me that people only want to live, to survive and to provide and if they had a means to do that, for many, you could leave out citizenship entirely. Guest workers? Work visas? I don’t know much, but there ought to be a way.

Kinja'd!!! "Spanfeller is a twat" (theaspiringengineer)
11/25/2017 at 01:04, STARS: 1

I think right now we need to be empathetic to everyone. Trump doesn’t represent Americans (even statistically), MS 13 doesn’t represent Latin Americans in general, and certainly drug trafficers do not represent Mexicans or Colombians in specific.

As George Bush said (and I can’t believe I’m quoting him): “Too often, we judge other groups by their worst examples while judging ourselves by our best intentions”

Teach them about the civil rights movement, flappers, and how the government works, about American society and how most of it has opened their arms to embrace and celebrate multiple cultures.

I don’t think we need dystopia, we need realism and education. Everyone can teach fear, but few can arm against it.

Kinja'd!!! "Rusty Vandura - www.tinyurl.com/keepoppo" (rustyvandura)
11/25/2017 at 05:45, STARS: 0

Imagine: nostalgia for a Bush. How Trump and his ilk have shifted things.

Kinja'd!!! "Spanfeller is a twat" (theaspiringengineer)
11/25/2017 at 10:52, STARS: 0

But it wasn’t Trump.

It was Citizens United (which a similar one is about to pass in Mexico as we speak) giving voice and power to assholes.

It was the NRA slowly deregulating guns and abusing an amendment made so that states can have police forces.

It was inequality and racism, desperation and neglect.

I think such divisions have everyone in the world questioning themselves what the US stands for, because you might have an asshole as your top executive, but below him (at the state or local level) there’s good people. We need to see which is given more power and how that power will be respected.

California declared itself a state that will not persecute someone merely because of their status in the nation, what will or can Trump do about it?.

Kinja'd!!! "Rusty Vandura - www.tinyurl.com/keepoppo" (rustyvandura)
11/25/2017 at 15:15, STARS: 0

The organizations and people you mention would fit handily into “his ilk,” as I intended the comment.

I see the humans on this planet as being born into a caste system of resources and there is a correlation between resource caste and skin color.

Kinja'd!!! "DipodomysDeserti" (dipodomysdeserti)
11/26/2017 at 11:04, STARS: 0

Couldn’t agree more. A few of the guys I have worked with over the years have become citizens. They lived most of their lives in the US, and citizenship gave them piece of mind that someone wouldn’t show up to their door and deport them. However, the US has repatriated US citizens back to Mexico before. Not sure that will ever happen again, but you never know ( https://www.npr.org/2015/09/10/439114563/americas-forgotten-history-of-mexican-american-repatriation ).

My oldest daughter’s school has a dual-language curriculum, and she is becoming fairly proficient in Spanish. Her teachers are all native speakers which is nice. My youngest goes to a Spanish immersion preschool and they have now started speaking Spanish to each other. It’s pretty crazy how quickly the kids pick it up.

I speak enough Spanish to where I can get my point across and function in Spanish speaking countries. I learned mostly by speaking with coworkers throughout the years and by working retail at a mall in Tucson for four years. Most of the kids in the villages where I used to build houses could speak English. They could also change out flats, drive cars and trek into town and buy groceries...

Experiencing life in those villages at such a young age definitely helped shape me as a person. Seeing poverty on par with what you’d see in Iraq or Afghanistan a little over an hour from San Diego had a big impact on me.

Kinja'd!!! "DipodomysDeserti" (dipodomysdeserti)
11/26/2017 at 11:10, STARS: 0

Well said!

Kinja'd!!! "Rusty Vandura - www.tinyurl.com/keepoppo" (rustyvandura)
11/26/2017 at 12:13, STARS: 0

What kind of work are you doing now?

Kinja'd!!! "DipodomysDeserti" (dipodomysdeserti)
11/26/2017 at 14:50, STARS: 0

I teach science classes at a small private school and am going back to school for my RN. I was the production manager at my family’s print shop/mailing house/envelope converting company for the last eight years, but we closed up shop last summer. Along with teaching I’ve been doing random side hustles (driving and other part time gigs) to make some cash when I’m not teaching or in school.

Kinja'd!!! "Rusty Vandura - www.tinyurl.com/keepoppo" (rustyvandura)
11/26/2017 at 15:29, STARS: 0

Interesting. Nursing is a tough gig to get started in.

Kinja'd!!! "DipodomysDeserti" (dipodomysdeserti)
11/26/2017 at 17:14, STARS: 1

Yeah, I volunteered as a CNA in high school and have a BS in Health Sciences (pre med). I originally planned to apply to medical school, but life got in the way. The medical field is a much better fit for me than printing or teaching, I just needed to get my ass in to gear and get my RN.