by "awmaster10" (awmaster10)
Published 11/22/2017 at 17:26
by "awmaster10" (awmaster10)
Published 11/22/2017 at 17:26
Tags: honda
; civic
; ctr
; type r
; acura
; lexus
; isf
STARS: 1
Edit: I’m not actually upset at my dad and I didn’t voice any of these opinions to him. I think it’ll be great for his purposes, I just think its ugly as hell. Lighten up everyone.
Im back home for Thanksgiving and I walked into the garage to see he had bought a brand new Civic Sport hatchback without telling me. The ONLY credit ill give him is that its the best color scheme available, but other than that I think hes crazy. Looks basically like this, and this is about the only flattering angle of the whole car.
He has a history of questionable car buying decisions, but his last car was actually solid. A 2006 Accord coupe 4 cylinder that was at 200k when he traded it. Before that though he bought a CVT 4 cylinder Altima for my mom, a CVT murano before that, and a B5 A4 2.8 quattro that only made it to 80k before needing to be dumped.
Every single one of these times I have suggested other options that were in the same price range that would have been not only more reliable but also more fun. Every single time they just go with whatever deal sounds right to them on whatever car they like the “feel” of. Bear in mind my dad was considering cars like an s2k to replace the accord, so the heartbreak was even worse.
My advice this time around was to drive my 3g Acura TL and get a feel for it, and then if he likes it get a super clean low mileage type-S with a stick. That would have been a nice improvement in just about every way over his accord but without changing basically anything about the ownership experience and reliability. Also, it would be about half the price...
Does he even know that things like the IS-F exist?
Sure, these are much older options and don’t have the warranty and peace of mind that a new car affords you, but there are tons of more modern and sensible options that he could have bought with a warranty. Ill drive it tomorrow and probably change my mind and think that its great, but I sure as hell wont admit it to you guys.
"AestheticsInMotion" (aestheticsinmotion)
11/22/2017 at 17:30, STARS: 1
I love that deep bluish grey
"E90M3" (e90m3)
11/22/2017 at 17:32, STARS: 1
Last time I was at home my dad was talking about something like an e39 M5 and an x5 to replace his 135is.
"CarsofFortLangley - Oppo Forever" (carsoffortlangley)
11/22/2017 at 17:33, STARS: 1
Give your dad the finger, slash the tires and walk out. Or you have to hand in your Jalop card.
"Jordan and the Slowrunner, Boomer Intensifies" (jordanwphillips)
11/22/2017 at 17:34, STARS: 1
Yes, no
"awmaster10" (awmaster10)
11/22/2017 at 17:34, STARS: 0
Must be nice to come from a BMW family instead of a whatever Japanese vehicle is a good value family.
"Dr. Zoidberg - RIP Oppo" (thetomselleck)
11/22/2017 at 17:34, STARS: 11
I like the civic hatch
[puts on armor]
"awmaster10" (awmaster10)
11/22/2017 at 17:35, STARS: 1
If he trades it in on the same car but with a stick ill stick around
"dogisbadob" (dogisbadob)
11/22/2017 at 17:36, STARS: 1
Happy Honda Days :p
"awmaster10" (awmaster10)
11/22/2017 at 17:36, STARS: 1
The civic hatch looks like its wearing armor
"interstate366, now In The Industry" (interstate366)
11/22/2017 at 17:37, STARS: 2
Nah, only if it had been the sedan you should have cut ties with him. Let him off with a warning.
"E90M3" (e90m3)
11/22/2017 at 17:37, STARS: 1
We weren’t a bmw family until I got my M3, my dad wanted something fun to drive so he joined the club.
"E90M3" (e90m3)
11/22/2017 at 17:40, STARS: 1
He wants something with utility, wouldn’t be surprised if he got himself an x1 or something like that. He had a manual diesel x1 in France as a rental and loved it.
"Danimalk - Drives a Slow Car Fast" (danimalk)
11/22/2017 at 17:46, STARS: 2
Haven’t driven them, but reviews say the Civic Sport is supposed to be pretty fun for an all-rounder, despite not being very fast.
Let us know your thoughts after a drive. Did he get the manual?
At least it’s the hatch, I guess?
"RacinBob" (racinbob)
11/22/2017 at 17:49, STARS: 3
Sheesh, kids nowadays. Let the man have is fun. At least he didn’t get one of these.....
"If only EssExTee could be so grossly incandescent" (essextee)
11/22/2017 at 17:55, STARS: 1
One of my bosses, at the age of 54, drives a brand new Civic coupe and I strongly suspect that he bought it solely because some salesman told him women would like it..
"Svend" (svend)
11/22/2017 at 18:00, STARS: 1
I’m surprised an American resisted the urge to drone on about the car being British built and breaking down all the time, not wanting to start when it rains, etc.... Lol.
"RPM esq." (rpm3)
11/22/2017 at 18:06, STARS: 1
My dad has spent his entire life on a regular, unintentional rotation from truck to sportier European car to efficient commuter and back again. The order isn’t always exactly the same due to life changes and pairing with whatever my mom is driving but the cycle is 100% predictable nonetheless. I believe he’s on his 12th car (lifetime) and thus ending the fourth cycle. The pattern so far is something like A, B, C / B, C, A / C, A, B / B, C, A. I assume the fifth cycle will begin in a few years when he retires.
Willys Jeep
MGB
Brown ‘70s Toyota station wagon
VW Scirocco
Honda Accord
Ford Ranger
Toyota Camry
Honda Passport
Volvo S70
BMW E36 coupe
Volkswagen Jetta TDI
Toyota Tacoma
"awmaster10" (awmaster10)
11/22/2017 at 18:07, STARS: 0
I was mostly kidding and my complaints about the other cars were mostly reliability concerns
"RPM esq." (rpm3)
11/22/2017 at 18:07, STARS: 0
My cousin has an X1 and loves it. I wouldn’t buy one for myself but I totally get why she likes it and why it serves her purposes really well.
"awmaster10" (awmaster10)
11/22/2017 at 18:08, STARS: 0
I definitely should have added that it’s an auto and he definitely knows how to drive stick so that’s part of the sad
"awmaster10" (awmaster10)
11/22/2017 at 18:08, STARS: 0
Definitely gets points for hatchiness
"awmaster10" (awmaster10)
11/22/2017 at 18:09, STARS: 0
Yeah the color is great and I think(?) the civic clear coat problems are gone with the newer cars
"awmaster10" (awmaster10)
11/22/2017 at 18:10, STARS: 0
To be fair even the plainer cars are cool like the s70
"E90M3" (e90m3)
11/22/2017 at 18:10, STARS: 1
The original gen is based on the 1 series and drives really well, if they sold it with a stick here, I might have bought one. I was seriously thinking about one.
"Recovering Gaijin" (toxrensem)
11/22/2017 at 18:11, STARS: 1
I feel your pain. My father replaced the beloved ‘89 Golf 5-speed with a ‘15 Subaru with a frickin CVT! I do understand about 70+ year-old knees not liking clutches, but the CVT was a bridge too far imo. However, he’s the one who drives it and he likes it, so I’ll just have to content myself with making sure the Magic Fluid gets changed every 60k or so.
"awmaster10" (awmaster10)
11/22/2017 at 18:12, STARS: 0
I’ve only experienced the Nissan cvts which are supposedly worst in class so I definitely have a bad impression
"fhrblig" (fhrblig)
11/22/2017 at 18:15, STARS: 0
Oh, you kids these days.
I must be the only one reading this and thinking “he’s a grown-ass man and can drive whatever he wants without your permission”.
If I had given my stepdad shit about buying the ‘85 Cadillac Fleetwood that he got when I was in high school (and it was the mother of all bad ideas) he would have told me “fuck you”.
"RPM esq." (rpm3)
11/22/2017 at 18:20, STARS: 1
I counted that as a “sportier European car,” which is true comparatively and I know is how he thought of it. It’s certainly the most luxurious car he’s ever owned. I can’t really fault his taste overall. The most boring cars on this list are all good, practical machines; and the unreliable ones are at least interesting. He may have actually made money on the Jetta TDI. The Passport was objectively a piece of shit but it was kind of cool and was a manual—in fact, it was the car I learned to drive stick in.
"interstate366, now In The Industry" (interstate366)
11/22/2017 at 18:25, STARS: 0
Swindon Hondas seem to be at least as well built as other Hondas.
"interstate366, now In The Industry" (interstate366)
11/22/2017 at 18:26, STARS: 1
Supposedly they finally fixed the paint issues in 2014.
"awmaster10" (awmaster10)
11/22/2017 at 18:26, STARS: 0
It was a joking post and I would never tell him what to drive and expect him to listen to me, I just like to give him suggestions so he doesnt buy another car that shits the bed at 80k. Is it so bad to give your non car guy dad advice so he saves some money in the long run?
Either way, I think you took me a bit too seriously.
"awmaster10" (awmaster10)
11/22/2017 at 18:29, STARS: 1
Driving stick in something absolutely non-sporty is actually an interesting experience. I guess thats what the appeal is for jeep guys. Ive driven a trooper with a stick which may be similar since the passport is a similar vintage isuzu.
"awmaster10" (awmaster10)
11/22/2017 at 18:30, STARS: 1
Didn’t know the factory was in swindon. I’ll check it out next time I visit my Swindonian brother.
"Junkrat aka Rick Sanchez: Fury Road Edition" (realasabass)
11/22/2017 at 18:32, STARS: 3
Give me some Type-S wheels. One of the finest stock wheels to be put on a car in the 2000's. I would have a set on my Civic right now if it wasn’t a 4 lug Civic. I could always convert it using EK9/ITR parts, cause I’m not using wheel adapters.
"cmill189 - sans Volvo" (cmill189)
11/22/2017 at 18:34, STARS: 0
That’s a Buick?!
I’m looking for you but all I see is a cool car.
But it’s so cool and hip. So millennial. So CUV.
I learned that a from a Buick commercial.
Buick: “We promise we don’t make the LeSabre anymore. Please look at us.”
"awmaster10" (awmaster10)
11/22/2017 at 18:35, STARS: 0
Type-S wheels are amazing and I really like using them as an OEM option on other hondas. I kinda wish I could get some 18 inch replicas for the TL though.
"Jordan and the Slowrunner, Boomer Intensifies" (jordanwphillips)
11/22/2017 at 18:37, STARS: 0
E34 M5 Touring or gtfo
"fhrblig" (fhrblig)
11/22/2017 at 18:39, STARS: 0
Nah, I didn’t. It’s cool to offer advice, but just because something might be a better deal doesn’t mean he’d like it.
There were a whole lot better options around for my stepdad when he bought that Fleetwood, but it was what he wanted. And he loved it for the couple years that it wasn’t always breaking down. I’m a big fan of old-man cars, but I hated that car.
"fhrblig" (fhrblig)
11/22/2017 at 18:42, STARS: 1
Can confirm. Driving a big pickup truck with a manual is a blast, but not at all sporty.
"Recovering Gaijin" (toxrensem)
11/22/2017 at 19:17, STARS: 1
I am way biased against them as a friend had a Justy years ago. Was fairly new but still horrible. The trans died before 100k if I remember right. And my former boss bought a Cube. I took care of vehicles at that company so ended up knowing more about the Nissan CVT than I wanted.
No way to check fluid level
‘Lifetime’ fluid
Due to problems/recall, new units were ‘on back order: may take a couple months’
The local dealer flat-out denied that there was even any way to change the fluid. That it was ‘lifetime: you don’t >need< to change it’ !
So, yeah, great idea, but I’m not a fan of current CVTs.
"Svend" (svend)
11/22/2017 at 19:26, STARS: 0
as are the Nissan Jukes, Qashqais and Notes built in Sunderland, Mini, Mini Countryman and Mini Clubman built in Cowley and Toyota Auris in Burnaston, etc...
"RacinBob" (racinbob)
11/22/2017 at 19:44, STARS: 1
The sport might be a pretty neat car. Compact size for the garage, nimble, and not bad $$.
"Dr. Zoidberg - RIP Oppo" (thetomselleck)
11/22/2017 at 19:47, STARS: 4
I treat people IRL like I do on Oppo: you can criticize their ideas but once they buy the car, the only acceptable response is: “Nice, looks great man!”
"awmaster10" (awmaster10)
11/22/2017 at 19:50, STARS: 1
Yeah I told him I love it, especially the color. Mostly true!
"awmaster10" (awmaster10)
11/22/2017 at 19:51, STARS: 0
He set an absolute max he would pay and made the dealer match it by increasing his trade value since they couldnt lower buying price any more. May not have the best taste but he knows how to buy a car no-nonsense.
"HondoyotaE38: A Japanese and German Collab...wait a minute" (hondoyota)
11/22/2017 at 20:13, STARS: 1
The Civic is a good canvas, so if you want some father-son time you can make that a project with him to make it sporty or something.
"awmaster10" (awmaster10)
11/22/2017 at 20:19, STARS: 1
He just wanted good mileage and thought the new turbo motor was interesting. I think itll suit his purposes perfectly, although it would be fun to get an intake tune and exhaust down the line.
"RacinBob" (racinbob)
11/22/2017 at 20:52, STARS: 1
I think he made a good deal at Honda’s expense. The hatch’s are kind of the tweener for them, more expensive than a sedan, but not more than a sedan. It’s a neat car in the sport package, but won’t appeal to the masses.
He’s driving a car he won’t see every day. That’s ok. I wish they made a touring with a stick as I would probably buy one too.
"TomServo (Resides on the Satellite of Love)" (mk7silkblue)
11/22/2017 at 21:29, STARS: 0
Your dad sounds like mine.
His entire car history:
Chevy Monte Carlo
Pontiac Lemans
Mazda 323 hatch
Mazda 323 Sedan
Mazda MPV (photography business company car)
1998 Mazda Protege
1999 Mitsubishi Galant
2001 VW GTI
2000Jeep Grand Cherokee V8
2002 Ford Windstar
1996 Jeep Cherokee 4.0
2004 VW Passat
2003 Mazda Tribute
2006 Volvo XC90
2009 Honda Pilot
2012 Volkswagen Jetta Sportwagen TDI
Used E46
2014 VW Passat TDI
2014 Subaru Outback 3.6r
2014 BMW X3 35i M sport.