by "JR1" (type35bugatti)
Published 11/22/2017 at 11:18
by "JR1" (type35bugatti)
Published 11/22/2017 at 11:18
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It is quickly becoming a rare substance in the automotive world.
"E90M3" (e90m3)
11/22/2017 at 11:23, STARS: 1
Me too
"GTRZILLAR32-Now saving for Godzilla and a condo" (jackolson)
11/22/2017 at 11:23, STARS: 0
Yeah, NA is really awesome. I think the Camaro SS 1LE has some disagreements with your photos caption though!
"BeaterGT" (beatergt)
11/22/2017 at 11:29, STARS: 1
Headline, yes.
Caption, no.
Body, unfortunately :’(
And as a bonus, I’m thankful for Audi keeping the V10 in the R8.
"JR1" (type35bugatti)
11/22/2017 at 11:36, STARS: 0
I had no idea the speedo in the M3 goes to 200mph even if it can’t reach that it still is fun to see
"JR1" (type35bugatti)
11/22/2017 at 11:37, STARS: 0
It can disagree all it wants but it doesn’t make it right!
"E90M3" (e90m3)
11/22/2017 at 11:38, STARS: 0
I think the top speed of the M3 is right around 187, could be wrong. It is still neat to see, I think all M cars after the E60 have 200 mph speedos.
"JR1" (type35bugatti)
11/22/2017 at 11:39, STARS: 1
Audi and Lamborghini are the only two supercar manufacturers I can think of off the top of my head that are keeping the NA motor alive. Therefore, I currently lust after the R8 and the Lamborghini lineup more than any other super car brand.
"JR1" (type35bugatti)
11/22/2017 at 11:40, STARS: 0
Nice! And really I think I would have just as much adrenaline pumpting at 187mph as I would at 200mph.
"E90M3" (e90m3)
11/22/2017 at 11:41, STARS: 1
I wish there was a place where I could max it. I’m not really interested in going to jail or killing someone, so I can’t really do it on the interstate.
"wafflesnfalafel" (wafflesnfalafel1)
11/22/2017 at 11:46, STARS: 0
yep - not outside the realm of possibility downhill with a tailwind, and no limiter.
"HammerheadFistpunch" (hammerheadfistpunch)
11/22/2017 at 11:47, STARS: 0
Almost all of Lexus?
edit: they only made one supercar but at least it was NA, as for the rest of their lineup, they only have one turbo in the bunch.
"JR1" (type35bugatti)
11/22/2017 at 11:55, STARS: 1
Time to go find an abandon road in Nevada
"JR1" (type35bugatti)
11/22/2017 at 11:59, STARS: 0
Lexus isn’t a bad example they have two sports cars that have NA engines. Which might mean more of their sports car lineup have NA engines than any other car company besides Chevy and Lamborghini. Not sure though.
"Nerd-Vol" (Nerd-Vol)
11/22/2017 at 12:02, STARS: 1
As someone with the most NA of NA cars(S2000), I’m fully meh on NA. I like the savagery of a nice turbo car.
The high rpm’s are cool, but the car is a dog until it gets on the big lobe.
"hike" (hike15)
11/22/2017 at 12:02, STARS: 0
The Yamaha V8 is really an underrated motor because it’s a Lexus body.
"JR1" (type35bugatti)
11/22/2017 at 12:03, STARS: 1
Turbos are savage no doubt but the sound doesn’t stir the soul in the same way an NA car does. IMHO
"bhtooefr" (bhtooefr)
11/22/2017 at 12:04, STARS: 0
The LaFerrari and the Porsche 918 are naturally aspirated, too.
Lower in the lineup, the 911 GT3 is NA as well, still.
"bhtooefr" (bhtooefr)
11/22/2017 at 12:06, STARS: 0
There’s something to be said for keeping it simple, stupid... and the rush to turbos hasn’t actually helped real-world fuel economy much, if at all, due to how the tiny turbo engines behave under load.
"JR1" (type35bugatti)
11/22/2017 at 12:10, STARS: 0
LaFerrari and 918 are out of production though right?
"JR1" (type35bugatti)
11/22/2017 at 12:11, STARS: 2
Yeah Ford’s “Ecoboost” doesn’t seem that eco to me
"bhtooefr" (bhtooefr)
11/22/2017 at 12:13, STARS: 1
Looks like the Ferrari The Ferrari Open was produced this year, but I think production’s done.
The 918, though, yeah, it’s been done for a while.
"HammerheadFistpunch" (hammerheadfistpunch)
11/22/2017 at 12:19, STARS: 0
Yamaha gets too much credit for that motor, its primarily designed in house but Yamaha can build smaller runs of motors so they have them do it. There is some engineering work they do but the motors are primarily Toyota.
"JR1" (type35bugatti)
11/22/2017 at 12:26, STARS: 2
Good Lord Ferrari screwed up that name
"JR1" (type35bugatti)
11/22/2017 at 12:27, STARS: 0
Yamaha V8? Do you mean V10 for the LFA? Or did they help produce a V8 for Lexus?
"TractorPillow" (tractorpillow)
11/22/2017 at 12:45, STARS: 1
Turbo can be a lot of fun in a silly way. Mazdaspeed3 was bonkers silly and the rush was a blast. Viper V10 was fast as all get out, but it wasn’t as goofy. I would have gladly gotten an Evora S, but orange and budget were more important than a supercharger for me.
"bhtooefr" (bhtooefr)
11/22/2017 at 12:47, STARS: 0
Oh, also, for a discontinued model, Pagani for some reason can’t stop making Zondas.
"JR1" (type35bugatti)
11/22/2017 at 12:51, STARS: 0
I mean would you when the engine sounds this good?
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"Poor_Sh" (ar4x)
11/22/2017 at 13:12, STARS: 1
Agree! I just can’t seem to get excited about turbos... Maybe superchargers but still. I’d rather a 6 cyl than a comparable boosted 4 cyl. Absolutely the V8 over a boosted 6. Long live N/A!! (A man can dream.)
"KusabiSensei - Captain of the Toronto Maple Leafs" (kusabisensei)
11/22/2017 at 13:34, STARS: 0
And I assume that you have already sent your check into Ford to have one delivered to you, right?
"CobraJoe" (cobrajoe)
11/22/2017 at 14:16, STARS: 1
You need NA + displacement.
Old school V8s give all the grunt of a turbo with none of the delay.
That much torque coming on instantly with a prod of your foot is much more brutal than a boost hit of a turbo, and it’s much more controllable too.
"BeaterGT" (beatergt)
11/22/2017 at 14:17, STARS: 1
Same here; I would take an R8 over many other cars. Goal is to have one by the time I turn 31!
"BeaterGT" (beatergt)
11/22/2017 at 14:18, STARS: 0
Thankful for that too! Love the piercing howl of a Zonda.
"hike" (hike15)
11/22/2017 at 14:59, STARS: 1
I’m talking about the 5.0L V8 Yamaha helped with which they use in the ISF, GSF, and the LC500
"JR1" (type35bugatti)
11/22/2017 at 15:07, STARS: 0
Might be possible with the garden variety V8
"ateamfan42" (ateamfan42)
11/22/2017 at 15:19, STARS: 1
Yeah Ford’s “Ecoboost” doesn’t seem that eco to me
It’s “eco OR boost”, not “eco and boost”
"BeaterGT" (beatergt)
11/22/2017 at 15:33, STARS: 1
I’ve driven the V8 before and would have no problem with that haha
"Nerd-Vol" (Nerd-Vol)
11/22/2017 at 16:40, STARS: 0
I think that’s the biggest factor.
"CobraJoe" (cobrajoe)
11/22/2017 at 16:49, STARS: 0
The “silly vs serious” argument has nothing to do with aspiration. I have yet to drive a car as fun as my old ‘86 Mustang GT, its low end torque made it stupidly easy to spin the crappy tires.
But the Legacy GT I have now has more power and torque, but it’s far too serious about keeping traction and much more difficult to control. It’s pretty darn quick, but far less silly.
"JR1" (type35bugatti)
11/22/2017 at 16:51, STARS: 0
Really? That’s awesome. Was it at the Vegas racetrack event?
"BeaterGT" (beatergt)
11/22/2017 at 16:57, STARS: 1
No sir. Down in Millville, NJ at New Jersey Motorsports Park (NJMP). I’ve been lucky enough to get some exotic car rental vouchers as birthday gifts.
"TractorPillow" (tractorpillow)
11/22/2017 at 17:04, STARS: 0
To me it does. When a turbo kicks in it’s a hoot, but in a different way than an NA throwing you back in the seat. I’m not saying one is better than the other, but can’t I add variables to an argument like silly and serious?
"MINIGTI" (76tr6)
11/22/2017 at 20:35, STARS: 1
Even though the MINI and GTI are both turbo and much faster, I do quite enjoy driving the TR6 when I can. I Love the immediate analog throttle response (also pornograpic inline 6 cyl. Exhaust sounds)
"JR1" (type35bugatti)
11/22/2017 at 22:36, STARS: 0
A good inline 6 can make a great sound
"davesaddiction @ opposite-lock.com" (davesaddiction)
11/25/2017 at 20:21, STARS: 1
All it takes is a supercharger...
"CobraJoe" (cobrajoe)
11/27/2017 at 09:37, STARS: 0
You can certainly have preferences, I personally hate the lag between jabbing the throttle and when the power comes on. (Yes, even modern turbos have a little lag).
But I completely agree that some cars feel silly and some feel serious, I just don’t agree that turbos are a requirement to make them silly.