Is there such a thing as a long lasting, winter and rallycross tire?

by "Milky" (jordanmielke)
Published 11/20/2017 at 13:34

Tags: MX5 ; Snow tires ; Miata
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I’ve only had blizzaks before and they were great, but I feel like I killed them fast. I’d also like to try out rallycross and I’m assuming a winter tire would be better in dirt then a summer tire. Any advice from Oppo?

Is there a tire that can do it all?!?

I should have ordered these a while ago, but better late then never.

Replies (18)

"Wacko" (wacko--)
11/20/2017 at 13:39, STARS: 0

You need AT tires,

look at general grabbers at2, might find a close enought size you need, and mught even have the snowflake on them too.

"Echo51" (echo2047)
11/20/2017 at 13:39, STARS: 0

The gravel/offroad tires i’ve handled are normally always M+S stamped and should work well for both. On loose surfaces a wintertyre will do well, but they will get eaten up quickly due to rocks/rough surfaces and wheelspin.

"Textured Soy Protein" (texturedsoyprotein)
11/20/2017 at 13:44, STARS: 1

Basically anything can be stamped with M+S. It doesn’t mean much of anything for real snow traction because the tires don’t need to pass any kind of snow performance test to carry the M+S stamp.

The original definition of M+S (Mud and Snow) tires is based on the geometry of the tread design and requires no actual performance standard to achieve. The M+S designation was first used to differentiate the knobby, bias ply tires intended for use on muddy and/or snow-covered roads from the straight rib tires used on early cars or trucks. Tires with tread designs that meet the definition may be branded with the letters “M” and “S” in several different ways (e.g., M&S, M+S, M/S, MS, etc.) at the discretion of the tire manufacturer.

When early radial ply tires were also found to deliver more snow traction than the straight rib, bias ply tires, the tire companies introduced all-season tires. Supported by advertising, all-season tires have presented an unspoken promise that they, throughout their life, can provide traction for all seasons...through spring’s rain, summer’s heat, fall’s cooling and winter’s snow. While this combined offering has made all-season tires popular, many drivers have learned that a geometric definition doesn’t guarantee winter snow and ice traction.

"Wrong Wheel Drive (41%)" (rduncan5678)
11/20/2017 at 13:46, STARS: 2

Snow tires in general shouldnt die that fast unless you drive with them in a lot of warm weather. I put three winters on my General Altimax Arctics and about 30k miles. Then I proceeded to sell them to another Oppo who is using them now on his Miata for at least this season. These should work great in the dirt regardless of temperature, just dont use them on pavement in warm weather.

"Textured Soy Protein" (texturedsoyprotein)
11/20/2017 at 13:46, STARS: 0

Back when I had my NB, I went through a couple different kinds of winter tires. I started out with Blizzak LM22 which are a performance winter tire. They provided semi-sporty dry/wet handling and made the car halfway decent in winter. I switched to Blizzak WS60 studless winters for better winter grip but their dry/wet handling was like squidgy Krispy Kreme donuts.

I’ve only used performance winters on my awd cars because they’ve generally been good enough when combined with awd.

No idea which would be good for Rallycross. That’s...silly.

"vicali" (vicali)
11/20/2017 at 14:02, STARS: 0

Rally and rallyX would want the old fashion snow type, not current winter ice tires... winterforce are a good cheap compromise. I wouldn’t run gravel tires on the street- they are terrible on pavement and too $$ kit wear out daily driving. AT are only good if you can find them in your size- grabbers come the smallest but they are heavy and not cheap.

"Milky" (jordanmielke)
11/20/2017 at 14:12, STARS: 0

I’m thinking tire rack is calling them “grand touring all season” tires. Well I can’t find an all terrain section easily at least. Might be tiny tire problems.

Just started looking but these seem good at everything.

"Milky" (jordanmielke)
11/20/2017 at 14:13, STARS: 0

Makes sense that a soft tire would be bad on loose surface.

"Milky" (jordanmielke)
11/20/2017 at 14:16, STARS: 0

I think my problem is that I drive a lot and Detroit really doesn’t get that much snow. A few bad storms but most days the roads are dry. Thats why I’m thinking I can get away with a less snow orientated tire.

"Milky" (jordanmielke)
11/20/2017 at 14:16, STARS: 0

Being silly is the point! I just want to get sideways.

"Wrong Wheel Drive (41%)" (rduncan5678)
11/20/2017 at 14:21, STARS: 0

But isnt something like an AT tire going to be loud on the highway, difficult to find in a 16/17 inch size, and then pretty bad in snow? I know a no season tire would be a terrible choice for both lol.

"Milky" (jordanmielke)
11/20/2017 at 14:22, STARS: 0

I’ll check out the winterforce tires. But yea I’m not trying to blow through extra money on tires if I don’t have to. Why I’m here asking for advice.

"Wrong Wheel Drive (41%)" (rduncan5678)
11/20/2017 at 14:22, STARS: 0

Well if you want to get sideways, wouldnt a worse tire be better? So some bald no season tires would be perfect!

"Milky" (jordanmielke)
11/20/2017 at 14:29, STARS: 0

Yea, can’t even find one all terrain in my size. I could deal with noise if it was pretty good in snow and dirt.

I was just kind of hoping someone on oppo had found the goldilocks tire.

"Milky" (jordanmielke)
11/20/2017 at 14:31, STARS: 0

BUT I still want to get to work during the occasional snow storm.

I had the ideal thought of a snow/RallyX set of tires and a summer set, but maybe that was a bad day dream.

"Echo51" (echo2047)
11/20/2017 at 14:41, STARS: 0

The softer the more grip once you clear the top loose and get down to more firm stuff under.

"vicali" (vicali)
11/20/2017 at 14:56, STARS: 0

I ran Xice2 and they were alright, they gummed up a bit in really sloppy stuff, but managed alright in gravel.

"Wrong Wheel Drive (41%)" (rduncan5678)
11/20/2017 at 14:57, STARS: 0

I see no issue why the snow tire couldnt double as a rallyx set. You just ideally need to drive to the event on the summer tires and swap out to the snows if its a summer rallyx. And generally in the winter, it should be cold enough to warrant the winter tires. They are just fine on the dry cold pavement anyways. Assuming you get at least a full year out of them, then you are fine. Sure they should last longer, it just depends on how much rallyx you end up doing.