by "G. Homer" (goyshahomer)
Published 11/15/2017 at 13:07
by "G. Homer" (goyshahomer)
Published 11/15/2017 at 13:07
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My sister just bought a 2018 Toyota 4runner Sr5 premium (over 40k) beautiful suv. It looks amazing. I was surprised to see that it still had a traditional, mechanical key and not push button start. Got me to thinking what other cars/SUVs use a real key still? Anyone know? Thinking of 2017 and newer. Thanks!
"CarsofFortLangley - Oppo Forever" (carsoffortlangley)
11/15/2017 at 13:09, STARS: 0
The Subaru Outback, at least the trim level I drove the other day.
"G. Homer" (goyshahomer)
11/15/2017 at 13:10, STARS: 0
new? is it only in base model?
"Under_Score" (tomtheatum)
11/15/2017 at 13:11, STARS: 4
Unpopular opinion: It’s the 2018 model year for cars now, and I know all of these standard safety systems are great, but please just make stuff like push button start and a power driver’s seat standard.
"random001" (random001)
11/15/2017 at 13:12, STARS: 0
Abarth!
At least I think so.
"G. Homer" (goyshahomer)
11/15/2017 at 13:13, STARS: 1
I know. I just opened it up for cars from ‘17 too. I don’t have an issue with push button start vehicles but I have read that some people are forgetting to turn the car off when they pull into the garage and leave car running.
"Wacko" (wacko--)
11/15/2017 at 13:13, STARS: 1
guessing still a few base models still do.
"G. Homer" (goyshahomer)
11/15/2017 at 13:14, STARS: 0
yeah. i was curious if anyone knew specifics.
"Klaus Schmoll" (klausschmoll)
11/15/2017 at 13:15, STARS: 0
Had a Nissan Note (formerly known as Versa Note) as a rental not long ago. Mechanical key.
"PotbellyJoe and 42 others" (potbellyjoe)
11/15/2017 at 13:16, STARS: 1
Unless it’s a coupe, then give me some option of fast release forward for loading kids.
Nothing is worse than standing in the rain for 30 seconds while you move your power seat forward and backward to let your 5 year-old in.
My garage door opener is power and has a cord I can pull to make it manual. Why can’t power seats figure this out?
"Smallbear wants a modern Syclone, local Maple Leafs spammer" (smallbear94)
11/15/2017 at 13:17, STARS: 3
I like my keys. No.
"CarsofFortLangley - Oppo Forever" (carsoffortlangley)
11/15/2017 at 13:18, STARS: 0
2017! I believe it was. It was a loaner from the dealership
"TheRealBicycleBuck" (therealbicyclebuck)
11/15/2017 at 13:19, STARS: 0
I think most base-model Subarus are keyed.
Technically, all cars with push-button start also have a mechanical key somewhere. The Legacy I’m driving today has one inside the key fob.
"Takuro Spirit" (takurospirit)
11/15/2017 at 13:20, STARS: 0
Lots of our FCA cars still use keys we have to stick in holes to start, like my RAM.
Push buttons are reserved for higher trim levels for the most part, even on the most expensive and newest of vehicles.
Being FCA I know that’s a given (hahahaha cheap old shit!) though.
"fourvalleys" (fourvalleys)
11/15/2017 at 13:21, STARS: 0
I drove a 2017 F150 that had remote start, but you still had to put the (metal) key in the ignition and turn it to actually drive. It was about a $37k MSRP, if I’m remembering correctly.
"Wacko" (wacko--)
11/15/2017 at 13:22, STARS: 0
depends on what has a base model manual.
Base model manual Sentra key to start, so i’m am aslso assuming the Versa and versa note.
"HammerheadFistpunch" (hammerheadfistpunch)
11/15/2017 at 13:23, STARS: 7
I prefer keys. Thats all.
"Nothing" (nothingatalluseful)
11/15/2017 at 13:23, STARS: 0
When my sister in law visited last year, she took my wife’s Grand Cherokee to go meet a friend for dinner. She was gone about 3 hours or so...left the car running the entire time.
"gettingoldercarguy" (gettingoldercarguy)
11/15/2017 at 13:24, STARS: 0
My WRX has it, it’s a 2017. Thought about installing a pushbutton but I don’t mind twisting they key. I had two cars previously that were pushbutton and it’s nice, but not a huge deal.
"Wacko" (wacko--)
11/15/2017 at 13:24, STARS: 1
But most current FCA are on 10 year old platforms, so no suprise there
"G. Homer" (goyshahomer)
11/15/2017 at 13:26, STARS: 0
oh, that’s cool. I thought for sure wrx would be push button ignition.
"Wacko" (wacko--)
11/15/2017 at 13:26, STARS: 4
quit living in the past.
so did I until I lived the marvel of not having to take the keys out of my pockets.
everytime i touch my wifes 2011 elantra, I go to press start it, but it’s a key.....
"G. Homer" (goyshahomer)
11/15/2017 at 13:27, STARS: 0
my wife also did it with her 2013 toyota prius. not all her fault. the car gives no warnings that it’s on and if it is in pure ev mode, you don’t hear it. she was distracted and one thing led to another and boom. thank goodness i went to garage and saw it on.
"HammerheadFistpunch" (hammerheadfistpunch)
11/15/2017 at 13:28, STARS: 10
But the past is where I’ve spent most of my time!
"G. Homer" (goyshahomer)
11/15/2017 at 13:28, STARS: 1
I would like to have a key again too. I miss the mechanical and old school nature of turning a key to start the car.
"G. Homer" (goyshahomer)
11/15/2017 at 13:29, STARS: 0
cool. someone else mentioned his 17 wrx. so maybe subaru is one of the last hold overs.
"gettingoldercarguy" (gettingoldercarguy)
11/15/2017 at 13:29, STARS: 0
The premium trims have the pushbutton, I wanted a stripped down base model as I enjoy modding cars and will add that if I truly want to.
"G. Homer" (goyshahomer)
11/15/2017 at 13:29, STARS: 0
the 3rd generation Prius i don’t believe has another option other than push button. it has a key to get inside the car, but nothing to actually turn it over should the battery die. weird.
"Wacko" (wacko--)
11/15/2017 at 13:30, STARS: 0
can’t argue with that logic.
"G. Homer" (goyshahomer)
11/15/2017 at 13:31, STARS: 1
I kinda prefer the key too. Not living in past. It is just something tactical. The Push Button to start just seems to turn it into more of an appliance.
"BeaterGT" (beatergt)
11/15/2017 at 13:32, STARS: 0
Family member’s 2017 Outback is push to start so maybe just some models/trims.
"G. Homer" (goyshahomer)
11/15/2017 at 13:33, STARS: 0
I just found it interesting that the 4runner is really not a basic or base model car. It is the premium version. One step up from base and a very expensive suv. The limited trim has push button.
"Rock Bottom" (rockbottom81)
11/15/2017 at 13:36, STARS: 0
2017 Jeep Wrangler has a metal key.
"Wacko" (wacko--)
11/15/2017 at 13:36, STARS: 0
i hated my push start, and drove cars with keys for over 20 years. then after a few months of going keyless, would want to turn back.
now if only my house would unlock without take my keys out of my pocket.
the real solution is when our phones will replace our keys too. They are taking over or debit and credit cards. that being said 10 years ago I would never imagine myself saying that.
"OPPOsaurus WRX" (opposaurus)
11/15/2017 at 13:41, STARS: 1
some people like to stuff it in a hole
"Spanfeller is a twat" (theaspiringengineer)
11/15/2017 at 13:45, STARS: 0
I’d rather have a key because its more satisfying and also reminds you that you need to take it in and out of the vehicle. We could make keys, perhaps electric that simply go into a slot in the dash and then take it out again
"Ssfancyfresh" (scotttt)
11/15/2017 at 13:47, STARS: 0
My folks just got a 2017 Buick Enclave. It has real keys.
"gmctavish needs more space" (gmctavish)
11/15/2017 at 13:50, STARS: 0
I drove a 2017 Crosstrek, at least I think it was a 2017, and it still had a key.
"jimz" (jimz)
11/15/2017 at 13:50, STARS: 0
there’s no practical difference between a key- or a push-button start. pretty much every car made today controls the starter by the PCM. the days of the ignition actually physically closing a switch to operate a relay to trigger the starter solenoid are long gone. if you have a key, when you stick it in the ignition the RFID transponder first verifies it’s an authorized key, then when you twist it to start the switch sends a “START” request to the PCM. the PCM then operates the starter solenoid until it either senses the engine RPM reaches self-sustaining speed, or gives up after a programmed amount of time.
if you have a fob/push-button system, the RF transponder verifies the key when you enter the car. when you press the start button it sends a “START” request to the PCM. the PCM then operates the starter solenoid until it either senses the engine RPM reaches self-sustaining speed, or gives up after a programmed amount of time.
"Nerd-Vol" (Nerd-Vol)
11/15/2017 at 13:59, STARS: 2
This! I love push button on my my mazda.
The Honda is weird. Key in, turn that, then you press the starter button. Turn the key to turn it off.
I can see how it might have been charming when the car was new. I suppose it is cooler than just a key.
"Under_Score" (tomtheatum)
11/15/2017 at 14:00, STARS: 0
I know they’re important, but it’s just weird to have forward collision warning in a car with black plastic door handles and a manual driver’s seat.
"Mach-inator" (Mach-inator)
11/15/2017 at 14:02, STARS: 0
Silverado/Sierra and Colorado/Canyon. But I bet those days are numbered.
"Demon-Xanth knows how to operate a street." (demon-xanth)
11/15/2017 at 14:02, STARS: 1
Unless you turn the key all the way to the lock position, my ‘61 Corvair doesn’t need a key either. You just turn it and go. Best of both worlds! It has other features like steering wheel lock, gear selector lock, neutral lockout switch, alarm system, fuel system cut off, RFID key checking, secure wiring, and a dog leg three speed manual.
"Under_Score" (tomtheatum)
11/15/2017 at 14:03, STARS: 0
My car has push button start and smart key access, and it’s the first car I’ve driven for more than a year. I’m used to it.
"Smallbear wants a modern Syclone, local Maple Leafs spammer" (smallbear94)
11/15/2017 at 14:04, STARS: 0
Don’t care. I like my keys.
"RIP-GUY-FIERI" (rip-guy-fieri)
11/15/2017 at 14:05, STARS: 0
2017 Midnight Edition Silverado still has one. Wasn’t there justification for trucks still having keys?
"jonny11quest" (jonny11quest)
11/15/2017 at 14:09, STARS: 0
I would guess no Fords since the base model Fiesta got standard push button in 2014
"jonny11quest" (jonny11quest)
11/15/2017 at 14:10, STARS: 1
I did like the pockets thing when I had my FiST, but then went to the E90 which has push button, but I still have to put the fob in the dash slot *facepalm
"facw" (facw)
11/15/2017 at 14:12, STARS: 0
The Model 3 uses your phone, and I think it is going to be hard for other manufacturers to avoid copying that once enough people see it (at current production rates that could take quite a while). Why carry a bulky fob when you have your phone (dead phone batteries aside)?
"TheRealBicycleBuck" (therealbicyclebuck)
11/15/2017 at 14:19, STARS: 1
!!! UNKNOWN CONTENT TYPE !!!
Mechanical key for opening door. RFID in key fob for starting car when the key fob battery is dead.
Interesting.
"Milky" (jordanmielke)
11/15/2017 at 14:29, STARS: 0
Why have motors and weight for something that barely gets used? My seat never moves, so I set it and forget it!
"ZHP Sparky, the 5th" (e30s2k)
11/15/2017 at 14:40, STARS: 0
This thread makes me miss my S2000. Had to use both a key AND an ignition button to get moving.
#BecauseRaceCar!
"Thriving and Surviving...Barely" (9thgenaccord6spd)
11/15/2017 at 15:21, STARS: 0
The 9th generation Honda Accord LX sedan. My 2013 Accord LX has a key start. To be honest, there is just something about turning over a key and bringing the car to life as a opposed to merely just pressing a button.
"Chariotoflove" (chariotoflove)
11/15/2017 at 15:25, STARS: 0
My K900 has the concealed emergency key, even in the wallet card e-key. No way to start the car that I know of, however.
"arl" (arl1968)
11/15/2017 at 15:29, STARS: 0
I can imagine a car designer 100 years from now. Customers are complaining that they’re frustrated with carrying large fobs for their electro-cars in their pockets, and hate having the fobs fly around inside the car and block up the cup holders.
If only there was a solution to have a convenient place to store the fob?
A brilliant engineer looks at the large blank space between the steering wheel and the dashboard and says “Hey! That’s unused real-estate in interior design!”
He says. “What if we created some sort of storage space for the fob here?”
Another smart engineer says “And what if we used the fob to start the car?! We could get rid of the separate start button, saving some money for the bean counters, and it would double as a safe and convenient place to put the fob?!”
“The only problem,” says the first engineer, “is that the fobs are so huge that they might not fit very well into the blank space.”
“I know,” says the second engineer “we could implement a spring-loaded, slim metal device that pops out of the end of the fob and easily slides into a matching slot in the car, and allows you start it. We’ll call it a KEY!”
“We’re design geniuses” The engineers declare!! Beers all around.
"TheRealBicycleBuck" (therealbicyclebuck)
11/15/2017 at 16:14, STARS: 0
Same method. Use the dead key fob to push the start button. The RFID tag inside will respond and the car will start.
"Chariotoflove" (chariotoflove)
11/15/2017 at 16:19, STARS: 0
Good to know, thanks.
"ranwhenparked" (ranwhenparked)
11/15/2017 at 18:16, STARS: 0
My 2017 Escape company car still uses a physical key.
"ITA97, now with more Jag @ opposite-lock.com" (ita97)
11/15/2017 at 18:23, STARS: 0
My 2017 F150 has a mechanical key to start the car, although I think higher trim levels come with keyless, push button ignition switches.
"m-b-w loves his SUBAROO" (m-b-w)
11/15/2017 at 19:06, STARS: 0
Pretty much all Subarus, base and premium still have mechanical keys. You’ve got to step up to the sport, limited, or touring to get push button start. Personally I like having an old fashioned key.
"theloudmouth" (theloudmouth)
11/15/2017 at 21:23, STARS: 0
The GTI S model (base) trim still does I think. At least the Mk7 did when I got mine in 2015.
"AMGtech - now with more recalls!" (amgtech)
11/16/2017 at 00:56, STARS: 0
Smart!
"StndIbnz, Drives a MSRT8" (stndibnz1)
11/16/2017 at 09:41, STARS: 0
Brand new Chevy Colorado ZR2 for $44 has a key with a separate fob. Very old school.