by "PartyPooper2012" (PartyPooper2012)
Published 11/13/2017 at 12:53
by "PartyPooper2012" (PartyPooper2012)
Published 11/13/2017 at 12:53
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School me on tires please.
Why would one select A/T tires vs All Season tires for crusing around town/highway driving?
I am guessing A/T would wear out faster than all season. Only thing I can gather is it looks more aggressive.
"HammerheadFistpunch" (hammerheadfistpunch)
11/13/2017 at 12:58, STARS: 5
I’ve come to find that good A/T tires aren’t much more expensive (if at all) they have deeper tread, and they are often winter rated. I don’t see a downside to them really.
"DC3 LS, will be perpetually replacing cars until the end of time" (dc3ls-)
11/13/2017 at 12:59, STARS: 2
You’re pretty much spot on. Also A/T tires are noisier.
"Party-vi" (party-vi)
11/13/2017 at 13:03, STARS: 0
The A/T tires are on my CJ because they look aggressive, and because Michelin LTX tires just wouldn’t look right.
"MontegoMan562 is a Capri RS Owner" (montegoman562)
11/13/2017 at 13:05, STARS: 0
If you buy good ones they won’t wear much faster and they are drastically more capable.
I see no reason to put A/S on an SUV/Truck.
"vicali" (vicali)
11/13/2017 at 13:07, STARS: 0
All seasons are fine if your truck stays on pavement. I’ve seen stock Dunlops get stuck on a boat launch and also in the dirt at the town dump.
All terrains range from mild m+s versions to the really good K02/Duratrac hybrids. You could run them all year around if they have the snowflake.
Noise, weight, price, maybe faster wear could be considered A/T drawbacks if you care about that kind of thing. Getting stuck in a silly spot are drawbacks to all seasons.
"Rusty Vandura - www.tinyurl.com/keepoppo" (rustyvandura)
11/13/2017 at 13:08, STARS: 1
I stick with passenger tires because ride. Touring because slightly stiffer sidewalls. Traction A, Temperature A or B (unless you live in the desert, in which case you want Temperature A), and maximum treadwear rating available. Costco is a good place to buy tires.
Also, avoid LT (light truck) tires unless you really have a durability case for them, or you routinely carry lots of extra weight, because ride quality suffers greatly with an LT tire.
AT is likely to be noisy (or noisier) on pavement. P-rated is the way to go.
There’s my $0.02.
"Highlander-Datsuns are Forever" (jamesbowland)
11/13/2017 at 13:10, STARS: 0
If it was a truck or real SUV I’d use A/T tires not all seasons. If it was a car or CUV I’d probably stick to all seasons. That being said I prefer the A/T tires on the ford explorer over the michelin tires it came with, which were mall rated, not really good for anything else.
"HammerheadFistpunch" (hammerheadfistpunch)
11/13/2017 at 13:10, STARS: 0
I’ve use P and LT tires for years and I haven’t really seen too much disadvantage to LT. I hear there is a ride quality difference but I don’t seem to notice it on my trucks.
"Logansteno: Bought a VW?" (logansteno)
11/13/2017 at 13:16, STARS: 0
My Silverado has Firestone Destination A/Ts on it and having driven a similarly spec’d truck with Destination LE2s (highway touring version) I can’t really see much of a difference and prefer the look of the A/T. Actually I don’t know how Firestone did it but the Destination A/Ts are incredibly quiet and wear extremely well. The only difference I’ve noticed is the A/Ts do that little bounce at crawl speeds on pavement.
"PartyPooper2012" (PartyPooper2012)
11/13/2017 at 13:46, STARS: 0
I am not planning on going rock crawling or mug slinging. I like how A/Ts look, but not to a point where I want to replace them x times as often as all seasons.
"Party-vi" (party-vi)
11/13/2017 at 13:50, STARS: 2
The treadwear rating determines how often you will replace your tires more than the tread pattern. Personally I would pick a highway touring SUV tire for better rain performance and a quieter ride.
"Rusty Vandura - www.tinyurl.com/keepoppo" (rustyvandura)
11/13/2017 at 14:23, STARS: 0
I’d expect to notice the difference less on a heavier vehicle.
"gogmorgo - rowing gears in a Grand Cherokee" (gogmorgo)
11/13/2017 at 15:31, STARS: 1
A/T = all-terrain and will generally be harder wearing. Tougher sidewalls, deeper tread, larger tread blocks, usually a more aggressive look but some are more subtle. The all-season will be a softer compound, potentially provide better traction on pavement in wet or snowy weather (although modern a/t’s are getting pretty good), softer sidewalls mean better ride, less noise because of less agressive tread, probably better MPG due to lower rolling resistance, generally cost less than an a/t, and usually are better suited for soccer-mom type driving.
The other alternative is the “highway” tire, that most trucks seem to come with from the factory, at least in fleet trim. They’re incredibly hard wearing, very quiet, smooth, and generally useless on any surface other than bare, dry, pavement. I don’t recommend them but they are a thing, and if you live in a dryer climate that rarely sees snow and you stick to paved roads they could work for you.
While we’re at it, the difference between M+S and an actual winter rating is that a winter rating has been tested against a standard to make sure the rubber compound maintains traction at lower temperatures and that the tire still performs in winter conditions, while “M+S” is the manufacturer saying that they think it’ll do okay in mud and/or snow which are two completely different (and wildly variable) driving surfaces.
Personally all my vehicles have a/t’s. The Niva has Grabber AT2's, the MJ previously had them as well but after running over a deer and shredding sidewalls on two of them and inability to locate them to get back on the road on a Saturday in rural SK now has Hercules Terra Trac II’s. Before the Grabbers there were original BFG T/A KO’s. Saint Jimmy has BFG KO2's, previously Kumho A/T’s (would have to look back at things to remember which ones... Road Venture I think maybe?) that were 11 years old and so close to bald that it wouldn’t surprise me if they were only the second set of tires at 250,000km. If you don’t care for reviews of all the tires don’t bother reading further.
I like the Grabbers. They’re low-cost, reasonably hard-wearing (60,000km was about half-way through the tread on the MJ), did reasonably well on gravel, are great in deep or packed snow, less so on ice (no ABS so it’s noticeable) but I did three winters and summers on them and they were fine.
The original KO’s seemed pretty hard-wearing and have a decent reputation in the Jeep world but were garbage on wet roads or snow.
The Hercules are better behaved on-road than the Grabbers, but are less aggressive so that’s to be expected. They seem alright on gravel (but I’ve only got about 15 miles of it on them, not the thousands I’ve put on the Grabbers) and do okay climbing steep dirt hills with open diffs, and aren’t bad in the wet and snow, despite not actually being winter-rated like the Grabbers. I haven’t encountered ice with them yet.
The Kuhmos were surprisingly okay for how old and bald they were. They squealed going around corners through the mountains but without sliding around all over the place and they weren’t catastrophic in the wet. Surprisingly grippy off-road although that may just have been the Saint’s G80. If they got as many miles on them as I think they did then they’re probably pretty hard-wearing. They were done when I got them and then they weren’t showing cords yet 20,000km later.
I’m not as big a fan of the KO2's. I got them cause they were massively on sale and I figured I’d try them out because I didn’t really get much experience with them on breif encounters on work trucks. They seem just a little too showy for my tastes. Also my experience with them on work trucks on gravel is they like grabbing rocks between tread blocks and hanging onto them until they get pounded into and through the tire, in contrast to the Grabbers tossing the rocks out of the tread, a quality that most online reviewers seem to dislike. They’re decent in the wet and seem okay in snow, but then they are winter rated as well.
I’ve also got a XJ I haven’t driven much with the original Goodyear Wranglers on it. You can still get them cheap at Walmart but don’t, they’re a garbage antiquated tire and the Walmart ones had lesser specs so they could sell them even cheaper.
"nermal" (nermal)
11/13/2017 at 15:37, STARS: 0
What type of vehicle?
Assuming it’s a 4x4 of some sort, more aggressive tires are scientifically proven to be more effective at picking up babes. In addition, they use more fuel, and work better in off-road situations. Some are snowflake rated, so they will have better winter traction as well.
"PartyPooper2012" (PartyPooper2012)
11/13/2017 at 15:42, STARS: 0
Thanks
"PartyPooper2012" (PartyPooper2012)
11/13/2017 at 15:44, STARS: 0
It’s a shagin wagon so yeah. It needs all picking up babes it can get. Otherwise, it’s just a wagon...
GX 470. I’ve had stock rims with michelins on it for a long time... now thread is wearing thin. I think i have another summer on those... then I need to think about chucking the rims and tires... or painting the rims and throwing a/ts or ... do nothing and drive with winter rims. and all seasons again...
My stock rims sorta look like this... peeling and nastiness
"gogmorgo - rowing gears in a Grand Cherokee" (gogmorgo)
11/14/2017 at 14:30, STARS: 1
An update, been driving the ko2's on slush and ice after some wet snow and freezing rain yesterday. They suck. With a locker and all the power of a tired 4.3 my Jimmy kicks the ass end out on the slightest throttle input. No bueno. 100% will never buy again.