by "and 100 more" (nth256)
Published 11/02/2017 at 13:13
by "and 100 more" (nth256)
Published 11/02/2017 at 13:13
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The basics: used, three rows, $11,000 or less
Deal-killers: older than 2012, over 75k miles, a Dodge Journey
Preferences: RWD, not a maintenance nightmare waiting to happen, not a base-trim model, Bluetooth, not a Ford product
Cherry on top: V6 or larger engine
Don’t worry about looking for specific cars in my area, I’m just looking for ideas. Anything you can say personally about your experience with your suggestions would be greatly appreciated.
As payment, here is a beautiful car that I will never own:
"awmaster10" (awmaster10)
11/02/2017 at 13:17, STARS: 0
Man the 2012 cutoff gives you like 5 total options. If you want to spend less for something older maybe a 3rd gen Montero or v70 with third row added
"Demon-Xanth knows how to operate a street." (demon-xanth)
11/02/2017 at 13:17, STARS: 6
Disregard most of your additional nos. Because Corvair.
"and 100 more" (nth256)
11/02/2017 at 13:18, STARS: 0
STRONG PICK.
"Chariotoflove" (chariotoflove)
11/02/2017 at 13:19, STARS: 2
Forget safety, I would totally rock that.
"Party-vi" (party-vi)
11/02/2017 at 13:19, STARS: 2
Not really a thing unless you get a Mazda5 or Chevy Traverse.
"and 100 more" (nth256)
11/02/2017 at 13:19, STARS: 1
Montero had three rows? I had no idea.
Just saw a 2018 4Runner at a dealership that had a third row and thought, “They FINALLY got around to it.”
"EL_ULY" (uly)
11/02/2017 at 13:20, STARS: 1
Location? It really does help
"Textured Soy Protein" (texturedsoyprotein)
11/02/2017 at 13:20, STARS: 2
Why rwd? The only things I can think of that are 3 rows, rwd, and not Ford are the Durango 4x2 or the assorted GM full-size SUVs. I don’t think any of them would be below $11k for a 2012 or newer.
"and 100 more" (nth256)
11/02/2017 at 13:21, STARS: 0
I was hoping for some stones I hadn’t yet turned over, but yeah, that’s kinda where I’m at.
Kia Sedonas are kinda nice, i guess.
"and 100 more" (nth256)
11/02/2017 at 13:22, STARS: 0
Preference only. If it’s not RWD, then I’m no worse off than i am now.
"awmaster10" (awmaster10)
11/02/2017 at 13:22, STARS: 1
Yep they are two fold in jumper seats that can fold to the side to use the trunk and can be folded so you can access them from the trunk of you want. Pretty creative design. And yeah the fourth gen definitely could have fit one and the fifth gen can for sure. My 3rd gen 4Runner however barely fit a Second row.
"WilliamsSW" (williamssw)
11/02/2017 at 13:23, STARS: 2
Bah - probably safer than those VW buses that everyone seems to be paying an arm and a leg for these days (because windows!)
"OpposResidentLexusGuy - USE20, XF20, XU30 and Press Cars" (jakeauern)
11/02/2017 at 13:23, STARS: 2
Kick out your 2012 or newer rule and get yourself a 1st gen Toyota Sequoia. One of my absolute favorite vehicles I’ve ever driven. I’ve even gotten two 20mph over tickets in 1st gens. Only 1 in my LS400.
"Chariotoflove" (chariotoflove)
11/02/2017 at 13:23, STARS: 1
Mazda 5. Yes, I know you said RWD, but come on.
"and 100 more" (nth256)
11/02/2017 at 13:23, STARS: 0
Austin, TX area, but I can travel a bit. Just not really too keen on picking up anything from the Coast, for obvious reasons.
"and 100 more" (nth256)
11/02/2017 at 13:24, STARS: 1
I’ve not yet driven one, may have to.
"Dasupersprint - base trim is enough" (dasupersprint)
11/02/2017 at 13:24, STARS: 1
Well, minivan, or Kia Sorento? 2012+ Explorer and Pathfinder must still be beyond 11k
"Audistein" (Audistein)
11/02/2017 at 13:25, STARS: 1
If you want RWD then maybe Chevy Tahoe or Toyota Sequoia but you won’t find a 2012 for under $10k.
Besides that then Highlander and Honda Pilot are great choices.
Mercedes E-Class wagon has 3 rows and RWD.
"Chariotoflove" (chariotoflove)
11/02/2017 at 13:25, STARS: 1
The VW hippies would look upon my awesomeness with helpless envy.
"random001" (random001)
11/02/2017 at 13:25, STARS: 1
Toyota Sienna AWD V6?
"and 100 more" (nth256)
11/02/2017 at 13:27, STARS: 0
True on the Explorer and Pathfinder. I drove a 2013 Explorer the other day, its wasn’t bad (well, this particular one was - bad wheel bearings, I’m certain of it), but i didn’t really like it. And then again, yes, just a couple thousand more than I can manage.
I’m open to minivans. I have no shame, and I’m driving a borrowed one now. Can’t beat the space.
"Chariotoflove" (chariotoflove)
11/02/2017 at 13:27, STARS: 1
You should, just for comparison with other options. The amount of storage space you get is startling, and it drives great for what it is. You will feel like you’re flying coach as opposed to first class, but a comfortable road trip is doable.
"and 100 more" (nth256)
11/02/2017 at 13:27, STARS: 0
Still a little out of my price range in this area, but if the right one came along, I’d give it a shot.
"Takuro Spirit" (takurospirit)
11/02/2017 at 13:28, STARS: 1
Current gen Durangos can be had under $11k if you look hard enough and don’t mind a 150k mile Mercedes ML Jeep Grand Cherokee with a huge ass Dodge...
The 3.6 is a nice motor, quite stout and reliable. The HEMI has lifter issues so I’d stay away. Third row is large and accessible.
"and 100 more" (nth256)
11/02/2017 at 13:28, STARS: 1
Awesome, thanks for the suggestion!
"Land_Yacht_225" (nadenator)
11/02/2017 at 13:28, STARS: 4
Hate to break it to you, but your year-mileage-equipment-price math does not work out. The used car you want doesn’t exist.
Find the world’s cleanest TrailBlazer EXT or Envoy XL to keep your maintenance costs down and roll on.
"Under_Score" (tomtheatum)
11/02/2017 at 13:29, STARS: 1
They’re kind of rare, but the 2010-2013 Outlander is pretty nice and cheaper than most.
"WilliamsSW" (williamssw)
11/02/2017 at 13:29, STARS: 3
As would I - - I’d much rather have a Corvair Greenbrier than the same VW bus everyone else has.
Plus, it’s a 6 cylinder, rear engine, RWD, probably with a manual trans - so basically a Porsche 911 van.
"and 100 more" (nth256)
11/02/2017 at 13:30, STARS: 0
Those seem to be holding up pretty well, then? What’s more reliable, the I6 or the V8?
"and 100 more" (nth256)
11/02/2017 at 13:31, STARS: 0
I saw a couple in sale-pending status. I’ll give them a look if i get a chance.
"Roadster Man" (roadsterman)
11/02/2017 at 13:31, STARS: 1
Three rows and RWD is a VERY difficult combo. Luckily I am VERY intelligent.
Early 70's Suburban!
I just found a minty ‘70 Suburban for 12,900. You should be able to find a decent one that isn’t too rusted out for under ten grand.
"Chariotoflove" (chariotoflove)
11/02/2017 at 13:32, STARS: 1
Basically.
"crowmolly" (crowmolly)
11/02/2017 at 13:32, STARS: 1
Yup, I went “hmm... Acadia?” till I looked at the numbers.
"and 100 more" (nth256)
11/02/2017 at 13:33, STARS: 0
I am SO DAMN TEMPTED to go this route, and get a solid, older vehicle. I’m just so loathe to get into a money pit.
"random001" (random001)
11/02/2017 at 13:34, STARS: 1
Oh. I’ve never looked.
"davesaddiction @ opposite-lock.com" (davesaddiction)
11/02/2017 at 13:34, STARS: 0
CX-9 AWD?
"RamblinRover Luxury-Yacht" (ramblininexile)
11/02/2017 at 13:35, STARS: 1
This is a troll response:
http://www.goo-net-exchange.com/usedcars/SUZUKI/CARRY_VAN/700100195130170324007/index.html
But an awesome troll response, if I do say so myself. Low mileage, nearly new, three rows, in budget, not base-trim, not Ford, RWD...
"Mini Guy- Now has a 4Runner" (gavinharter30)
11/02/2017 at 13:36, STARS: 1
2008 ish Tahoe?
"Sweet Trav" (thespunbearing)
11/02/2017 at 13:36, STARS: 1
Its the engines that’s the problem its the 4L60E. But im with Land_Yacht, you’re looking for hens teeth.
"and 100 more" (nth256)
11/02/2017 at 13:37, STARS: 0
I got burned by owning a Cerberus-era Jeep. How are the new Durangos holding up at 150k?
"and 100 more" (nth256)
11/02/2017 at 13:39, STARS: 0
Ugh, I hate tranny issues.
I know it, man. If i had more flexibility, I likely would be driving something now, rather than asking for suggestions.
"Shift24" (the-nope)
11/02/2017 at 13:39, STARS: 1
I know older than 2012 and probably more than 75k miles but the 2nd Gen MDXs are really nice especially when fully equipped. #1 most selling luxury SUX and its a Honda with 300 hp. Though it normally takes Premium
Now actual 3 Row within Criteria. I think the Ford Flex is starting to get there in pricing
Also dont the Kia and Hyundai whatevers have 3 rows now? Still though wouldnt get one.
Lastly some how an XC90 made it in my search at $15K
"and 100 more" (nth256)
11/02/2017 at 13:39, STARS: 1
I’ve definitely looked than direction. Age and mileage scare me, but they’re right up my alley.
"and 100 more" (nth256)
11/02/2017 at 13:43, STARS: 0
I’d consider the Acura. A friend of mine worked at a Honda dealership, and basically said all Honda transmissions are made of glass. But MDX/Pilot would definitely fit the bill, even if a little older.
I’m not keen on Ford right now, but I’ve yet to try a Flex. Why no love for the Koreans?
I see quite a few XC90s around my area, but the reliability horror-stories keep me from looking any closer.
"and 100 more" (nth256)
11/02/2017 at 13:44, STARS: 0
You’re not wrong, and it’s a manual! AND AWD!
"Textured Soy Protein" (texturedsoyprotein)
11/02/2017 at 13:45, STARS: 1
Based on price, year, 3 rows, and no Ford, your options appear to be:
Dodge Caravan / Chrysler Town & Country
Kia Sedona
Mazda 5
Chevy Traverse / GMC Acadia
Hyundai Santa Fe / Kia Sorento
Looks like the occasional high mileage Nissan Pathfinder or Toyota Sienna sneaks into this price range.
"and 100 more" (nth256)
11/02/2017 at 13:45, STARS: 0
I’ve been told that those and used CX-7s are cheap for a reason. I’ve yet to try one, but I’ve been tempted.
"and 100 more" (nth256)
11/02/2017 at 13:46, STARS: 0
My neighbor owns a Sorento, I might have to see if he’ll let me have a test drive.
"Chariotoflove" (chariotoflove)
11/02/2017 at 13:50, STARS: 1
The 2014 and older Sedonas are within your price range, and I don’t know much about them. The 2015 started the current gen, and it’s a completely different car. I own one, and it’s great. Only, you won’t find many below $20K.
"Wacko" (wacko--)
11/02/2017 at 13:50, STARS: 1
go try what you find and be prepared to be surprised.
when we were shopping for ours, I wanted a Flex, but my wife hated the looks. I didn’t even look at the highlander since the toyota tax huge. They were asking more for a used base model than the price of a new base model...(2014vs2015)
the dealers reasoning was good luck finding a new one so Fuck you Toyota.
I didn’t want a Durango, cause it’s a Dodge.
tried the pathfinder to cross it off my list because of CVT
but ended up buying a 2014 pathfinder SL(with 20000kms) with tech package cause of fuel economy, and the smooth constant acceleration. That and the interior was miles better than the ford. extra roomy second row, and good access to the 3rd row and still has cargo space in the rear with the rd row up.
The KIA was crossed off the list because of the fact you can carry 1 box of cereal with the 3rd row up.
"Takuro Spirit" (takurospirit)
11/02/2017 at 13:51, STARS: 1
Really well. Some minor leaks here and there, usual stuff like brakes and thangs.
"and 100 more" (nth256)
11/02/2017 at 13:51, STARS: 0
Hows the reliability? I mean, there’s the Toyota stereotype, but in reality, any major issues?
"Textured Soy Protein" (texturedsoyprotein)
11/02/2017 at 13:51, STARS: 1
Keep in mind the Sorento is the same size and wheelbase as the 2-row Santa Fe Sport, so the 3rd row is pretty small, and there’s not much room behind it. The 3-row Santa Fe is a good bit larger and roomier.
I like the Sorento but if 3 rows were a big need for me I’m not sure it’d be my first choice.
"davesaddiction @ opposite-lock.com" (davesaddiction)
11/02/2017 at 13:53, STARS: 1
CX-7s had issues with that motor. My wife’s ‘08 CX-9 went to 190k with us, and it now past 200k with my sister.
"and 100 more" (nth256)
11/02/2017 at 13:54, STARS: 0
Brakes are wear items, no sweat there. It’s expected.
I’m more worried about stupid cost-cutting things, like plastic parts in the cooling system, cheap alternator bearings, ball joints that reliably fail at 40k... Obviously, I’m speaking from experience on this stuff, but in YOUR experience... nothing like that? I’m just tired of being nickle-and-dimed, or living with something that’s constantly falling apart...
"and 100 more" (nth256)
11/02/2017 at 13:55, STARS: 0
That’s right, you suggested that a few weeks ago.
If i find one, I’ll give it a look. Thank you!
"and 100 more" (nth256)
11/02/2017 at 13:56, STARS: 0
Duly noted, thanks for your input!
"and 100 more" (nth256)
11/02/2017 at 13:58, STARS: 0
Awesome, if I find one, i’ll give it a shot!
"Takuro Spirit" (takurospirit)
11/02/2017 at 13:59, STARS: 1
I’m a parts manager at a CJDR dealer. I wouldn’t have gotten my wife a Durango if I didn’t trust them... and we RARELY see them come in for any major work, unless its a HEMI with a manifold leak or lifter tick.
We’ve only seen things like seals go out (timing cover, transfer case output), and we have a few customers with well over 150k on them. Same can be said for the WK Grand Cherokees, since its the same platform, minus the fancy air suspension bits and 4WD options, and plus a third row in its bulbous ass.
But yeah, no wonky weird out of the norm failures.
"davesaddiction @ opposite-lock.com" (davesaddiction)
11/02/2017 at 14:02, STARS: 1
Haha! So hard to remember who all I’ve talked to on OPPO...
"Rusty Vandura - www.tinyurl.com/keepoppo" (rustyvandura)
11/02/2017 at 14:04, STARS: 1
We will never tell her this of course, but WRT the Flex, Mrs. Wacko was incorrect.
"and 100 more" (nth256)
11/02/2017 at 14:04, STARS: 0
Awesome, this is a strong recommendation! Thank you!
"Wacko" (wacko--)
11/02/2017 at 14:08, STARS: 1
guessing most 2013 and early 2014 already had the CVT replaced.
the CVT warranty got raised from 5 to 7 years.
My CVT was replaced this spring.
that being said if 2013-2014 check its service records to see if the tranny was replaced.
I went for a Slightly used SL tech because I wanted the gps and leather.
"OpposResidentLexusGuy - USE20, XF20, XU30 and Press Cars" (jakeauern)
11/02/2017 at 14:12, STARS: 1
My dad had a lease Tundra(same thing) from 2005 to 2008, no issues. We’ve had a 2005 Sequoia for about 4 or 5 years and nothing but tires, shocks, and maintenance. 17mpg on road trips fully loaded with a trail hitch attachment. Can also tow 5000 lbs no problem.
"Wacko" (wacko--)
11/02/2017 at 14:12, STARS: 1
the interior feels ultra cheep in the flex, and the dash is ugly. the pathfinder is a better place to be seated in. Compared to the flex the pathfinder feels like a very high end car interior.
But I still have a soft spot for the Flex’s boxy 70s wagon looks.
I’m not gonna tell her shes wrong, I’ll let you do that.
"Takuro Spirit" (takurospirit)
11/02/2017 at 14:12, STARS: 1
No problem. Wife loves hers.
"OpposResidentLexusGuy - USE20, XF20, XU30 and Press Cars" (jakeauern)
11/02/2017 at 14:14, STARS: 0
No Acadia. Our customers have had nothing but trouble. Only confirmed what Customer Reports said.
"Roadster Man" (roadsterman)
11/02/2017 at 14:16, STARS: 1
I know your pain. To the same token, today some cars from the 90's- even early 2000's- can become crazy expensive to maintain.
Looking at you AMG.
"Rusty Vandura - www.tinyurl.com/keepoppo" (rustyvandura)
11/02/2017 at 14:34, STARS: 1
I’ve never seen the inside. I like the proportions. And I was clear that we would not be telling her that.
"Future next gen S2000 owner" (future-next-gen-s2000-owner)
11/02/2017 at 14:48, STARS: 0
YMMV:
a few that might fit the criteria
Chevy Traverse
Kia Borrego(?)
CX-9
Dodge Caravan
"and 100 more" (nth256)
11/02/2017 at 15:02, STARS: 0
I AM STRANGELY INTRIGUED BY THE BORREGO.
Seriously. I’d love to drive one. I see them out driving around very rarely, but often that I surprised every time.
"Future next gen S2000 owner" (future-next-gen-s2000-owner)
11/02/2017 at 15:06, STARS: 1
Borrego didn’t sell well. Out-classed, ladder frame, V8 I believe. Could be a sleeper if you could find one. Decent towing if I remember correctly.
"Under_Score" (tomtheatum)
11/02/2017 at 15:18, STARS: 1
The third row is pretty goofy and doesn’t have much space, but legroom is probably comparable to other third rows (which is pretty much none). Front two rows have a lot of space; the trim I’d choose is an SE, since it comes with a backup camera, a sunroof, and premium audio. The ES models don’t even have the third row!
"Pabuuu, JDM car enthusiast & Italian parts hoarder" (pabuuu4)
11/02/2017 at 15:49, STARS: 2
Be weird.
Be irresponsible.
"jonny11quest" (jonny11quest)
11/02/2017 at 15:53, STARS: 0
Found it! Used 2012 Chevrolet Express 1500 LS Passenger with 74,000 miles for $11,000. RWD V8. Bonus: It’s green. What do I win?
Autotrader ID is AT-1BBC4003
"Yowen - not necessarily not spaghetti and meatballs" (yowen)
11/02/2017 at 16:11, STARS: 1
Orly? I’ve been considering a HEMI equipped Durango. But “lifter issues” sound not-good.
"Yowen - not necessarily not spaghetti and meatballs" (yowen)
11/02/2017 at 16:12, STARS: 1
It’s what I was going to recommend, I knew Takuro would have already done it for me though lol.
"Yowen - not necessarily not spaghetti and meatballs" (yowen)
11/02/2017 at 16:14, STARS: 0
It’s always so depressing to hear stuff like this, because I WANT an old vehicle. But I think i could only ever do it once I’m ready for an extra vehicle in addition to my primary one.
"Yowen - not necessarily not spaghetti and meatballs" (yowen)
11/02/2017 at 16:16, STARS: 1
I’ve always like the Saab version of these (9-7) I think their exterior styling has stood the test of time best out of all of the TB platform, but I imagine those don’t have the 3rd row like an EXT or XL would.
"Takuro Spirit" (takurospirit)
11/02/2017 at 16:19, STARS: 1
The regular lifters are cheap, its the MDS ones that cost a ton when they go wrong. And they will. Nothing an extended warranty can’t fix, though.
"Yowen - not necessarily not spaghetti and meatballs" (yowen)
11/02/2017 at 16:31, STARS: 1
Do you happen to know how much does the repair cost if/when it happens + can it repaired such that it’s less likely to happen again?
"Takuro Spirit" (takurospirit)
11/02/2017 at 16:45, STARS: 1
Last one we had was a police car that took out the camshaft, that was a $2500 job.
There’s what some would call an inherent flaw in the HEMI with the way the lifters are oiled. Or lack thereof. Not sure if they’ve made them more resistant or not, or if there’s an aftermarket fix, but I haven’t seen any come BACK for lifters a second time.
"and 100 more" (nth256)
11/02/2017 at 17:58, STARS: 0
AMG minivan, so much win/fail, all at once.
Did these share a platform w/ the 1G Pacifica?
EDIT: Surprisingly not! https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mercedes-Benz_R-Class
"and 100 more" (nth256)
11/02/2017 at 18:06, STARS: 1
I’ll be honest, I don’t hate it.
"and 100 more" (nth256)
11/02/2017 at 18:25, STARS: 0
To be serious though: https://austin.craigslist.org/cto/d/2009-mercedes-r350-4matic/6357602472.html
"Land_Yacht_225" (nadenator)
11/02/2017 at 18:32, STARS: 1
I have a 2003 TrailBlazer EXT V8 4x4 that my family bought new in 2003.
Current mileage: 233,441
No transmission issues, no engine problems. I think I’ve replaced the water pump a little more than usual but that’s it.
"and 100 more" (nth256)
11/02/2017 at 18:39, STARS: 0
This speaks volumes, thank you!
I had a 2001 S-10 Blazer a few years ago; everything but the engine was falling apart. But that 4.3 was a champion. And the 4WD system was really damn good.
"Roadster Man" (roadsterman)
11/02/2017 at 21:26, STARS: 0
You really do need a backup if you’re going to daily drive. But a cheap honda accord or toyota camry will do the trick if your old car breaks down. The second car is just an A -> B machine. At least that’s my plan.
"Under_Score" (tomtheatum)
11/02/2017 at 22:03, STARS: 1
https://www.cars.com/vehicledetail/detail/714340601/overview/
Out of the way and no backup camera, but this is exactly what I’m talking about.
"Shift24" (the-nope)
11/03/2017 at 00:12, STARS: 1
I agree on the xc90, was just surprised it was there. But the Koreans, good under warrenty bad out of. And at 75k you have 25k before everything falls apart. Also the newer technicians for the Koreans are just as bad. Heard some recent horror stories.
Also the Hondas transmissions aren’t bad after 07, it’s more the torque converters.
"and 100 more" (nth256)
11/03/2017 at 10:21, STARS: 1
Good knowledge on the Korean makes. Thanks for that.
As to the Hondas; whether it’s a tranny or a TC that blows up, it’s kind of a moot point, because they both require tranny-out repairs. Sucks, because I kinda like 2nd-gen Pilots.
"and 100 more" (nth256)
11/03/2017 at 10:27, STARS: 0
I’ll keep an eye out for those, thank you!
Backup camera, shmackup camera. I read a review over at TTAC yesterday, where the guy bitched about not having a backup camera in the rental he picked up. I dunno, maybe I’m some special ubermensch or something (kinda doubt it tho!), but I’ve lived this long without a backup camera, and I don’t think it’s really a deal breaker. I mean, I have eyes, and my head can swivel, so... LOL!
"V12 Jake- Hittin' Switches" (jbv12)
11/03/2017 at 16:04, STARS: 0
Don’t the bumpers fair pretty well in low speed front end collisions also ?
"Land_Yacht_225" (nadenator)
11/03/2017 at 21:11, STARS: 0
