by "ttyymmnn" (ttyymmnn)
Published 10/18/2017 at 18:43
by "ttyymmnn" (ttyymmnn)
Published 10/18/2017 at 18:43
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Extra Credit: Who lies buried in Grant’s tomb?
Also, Beethoven 9 takes over an hour to finish. If it were only 40 minutes, I might enjoy playing it more.
"Dr. Zoidberg - RIP Oppo" (thetomselleck)
10/18/2017 at 18:49, STARS: 2
Even if you suck at math - like this math teacher - no excuse for lacking reading comprehension skills. THINK for goodness sake!
"vicali" (vicali)
10/18/2017 at 18:50, STARS: 1
Too long..
"ttyymmnn" (ttyymmnn)
10/18/2017 at 18:51, STARS: 0
After the teacher was confronted with this on Twitter, he claimed that it was a trick question.
http://time.com/4979608/beethoven-trick-question/
"HammerheadFistpunch" (hammerheadfistpunch)
10/18/2017 at 18:51, STARS: 0
The obvious answer here is - mustard
"ttyymmnn" (ttyymmnn)
10/18/2017 at 18:52, STARS: 4
Colonel Mustard
"For Sweden" (rallybeetle)
10/18/2017 at 18:52, STARS: 1
German music? In my Oppo?
"ttyymmnn" (ttyymmnn)
10/18/2017 at 18:52, STARS: 0
Amen.
"HammerheadFistpunch" (hammerheadfistpunch)
10/18/2017 at 18:53, STARS: 4
In the pit with the maths
"Chariotoflove" (chariotoflove)
10/18/2017 at 18:53, STARS: 1
Oh, don’t get me started on old Clue vs. new Clue...
"Chariotoflove" (chariotoflove)
10/18/2017 at 18:55, STARS: 2
Every question is a trick question to some extent. This is a fuck up the kids’ understanding of concepts question. It’s a betrayal of the educational process.
Extra credit: how did your boy’s band do at their contest?
"ttyymmnn" (ttyymmnn)
10/18/2017 at 19:02, STARS: 4
I deeply appreciate your comment on this, as my son struggles with his pre-AP teachers. Like the biology teacher who told the class, to their face, that all teenagers want to be spoon-fed, and that if they ask questions about an assignment they will lose points.
The band did very well, thanks for asking. They made the regional Bands of America final 10 for the first time, and placed 6th overall out of 23 bands, their highest ranking ever at this level. It’s interesting to see which schools clearly have tremendous budgets and which schools don’t. At a certain point, it is impossible to compete against the mega schools. But I’m proud of our band. They played well in a high-pressure situation, and did their school proud.
"Chariotoflove" (chariotoflove)
10/18/2017 at 19:13, STARS: 0
I know teachers who think that way at the professional school level too. I hope to never get that cynical.
Field show or track? I assume field, as track is a dying breed.
"Mini Guy- Now has a 4Runner" (gavinharter30)
10/18/2017 at 19:13, STARS: 0
80 minutes because you are effectively doubling the time
"ttyymmnn" (ttyymmnn)
10/18/2017 at 19:15, STARS: 1
Not sure what you mean by “track.” This is a traditional marching show in a football stadium, or at least what passes for “traditional” these days. It’s a far cry from what marching band was like for me in the 1980s.
"Rusty Vandura - www.tinyurl.com/keepoppo" (rustyvandura)
10/18/2017 at 19:15, STARS: 3
Ttyymmnn and I are brothers. My youngest is a year older than Ttyymmnn’s oldest. I am an 8th grade math teacher, which you may already have known. Common Core? I have mostly disregarded it because I can, and they can’t do anything about it. The biggest betrayer of the education process is teachers’ unions, followed closely by politicians, unless the latter deserve top billing because politicians. I love being with my 8th graders and they like being with me and with that firmly established, some of them actually learn some math.
Factoid: O.C. never passed Algebra in high school and he wouldn’t graduate today with a diploma. (They’d give him some other scrap of paper on the stage so they didn’t bung up his self esteem.)
When Ttyymmnn talks about that biology teacher, O.C. says, “Yup; that’s how a lot of teachers roll.” They can’t set their egos aside. They think that makes them the Big Man, but it reality is that it fatally diminishes them. The kids don’t understand that in precise terms, but the realize it. And the parents realize it as well. Teacher calls home because student is being a pain in the butt. Junior is sitting there listening to Parent’s end of the conversation. Parent hangs up and says, “Asshole.” And that teacher’s gonna be miserable for the rest of the year.
"ttyymmnn" (ttyymmnn)
10/18/2017 at 19:16, STARS: 4
But Beethoven 9 would take 70 minutes to play whether you had 100 players or 1. And that 1 person would be very, very busy. The only way to change the playing time is by playing it twice as fast or twice as slow. The number of players is irrelevant.
"Rico" (ricorich)
10/18/2017 at 19:17, STARS: 4
And that if they ask questions about an assignment they will lose points.
Me and that teacher would have a very unfriendly conversation if that’s what he or she actually said. Part of learning is asking questions, if they can’t handle it find a different profession.
"ttyymmnn" (ttyymmnn)
10/18/2017 at 19:18, STARS: 0
We haven’t had a conference with this teacher. Yet. But when he wouldn’t answer Mrs. Ttyymmnn’s email, she went over his head to the department head. I doubt the teacher was pleased, and I fear retaliation.
"ttyymmnn" (ttyymmnn)
10/18/2017 at 19:19, STARS: 0
Agreed. I see a parent-teacher conference on the horizon.
"Mini Guy- Now has a 4Runner" (gavinharter30)
10/18/2017 at 19:21, STARS: 0
Yeah that’s true. I completely forgot about beats per minute and how you could speed up and slow down the speed. Which is ironic because I’m in a band lol
"ttyymmnn" (ttyymmnn)
10/18/2017 at 19:23, STARS: 0
Playing a Beethoven symphony isn’t like digging a hole. Though it often feels like it, particularly the last moment of Beethoven 9.
What do you play?
"Rusty Vandura - www.tinyurl.com/keepoppo" (rustyvandura)
10/18/2017 at 19:24, STARS: 3
In my experience, department heads are nothing more than a fellow teacher who makes an extra $1200/year.
And refrain from telling him anything . Ask him questions and let him do the talking.
And there’s a good chance that rather than retaliation, unless he really is a stupid man, he’ll do the opposite.
"ttyymmnn" (ttyymmnn)
10/18/2017 at 19:30, STARS: 0
And there’s a good chance that rather than retaliation, unless he really is a stupid man, he’ll do the opposite.
I am formulating an opinion about that....
"RiceRocketeer Extraordinaire" (ricerocketeer2)
10/18/2017 at 19:44, STARS: 1
Reminds me of a mangled quote from software project management - one pregnant woman takes 9 months to have a baby, but 9 pregnant women can’t make a baby in 1 month.
"Highlander-Datsuns are Forever" (jamesbowland)
10/18/2017 at 19:48, STARS: 0
My wife just played Beetoven’s 9th. You are correct, it would take 70 minutes. Only less if you cut out some of the movements. What kind of math is this?
"interstate366, now In The Industry" (interstate366)
10/18/2017 at 19:48, STARS: 1
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"Mini Guy- Now has a 4Runner" (gavinharter30)
10/18/2017 at 20:02, STARS: 0
I play trombone. I’m not particularly good but I play the trombone
"XJDano" (xjdano)
10/18/2017 at 20:03, STARS: 0
She actually found it from a comedian that retweeted it., also says it’s a trick question, there isn’t a right answer
"BlueMazda2 - Blesses the rains down in Africa, Purveyor of BMW Individual Arctic Metallic, Merci Twingo" (bluemazda2)
10/18/2017 at 20:22, STARS: 1
You called?
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"Highlander-Datsuns are Forever" (jamesbowland)
10/18/2017 at 20:25, STARS: 0
Louis Von Beethoven, frenchafied.
"diplodicus forgot his password" (diplodicusforgothispassword)
10/18/2017 at 20:27, STARS: 0
Wait there’s a new clue? How can clue change?
"benjrblant" (benjblant)
10/18/2017 at 20:35, STARS: 1
Hey! Glad you’re still around.
And good call with 99 red balloons.
"ttyymmnn" (ttyymmnn)
10/18/2017 at 20:38, STARS: 0
There is a right answer: 40 minutes (as the question is written).
"ttyymmnn" (ttyymmnn)
10/18/2017 at 20:38, STARS: 1
Keep practicing! I play trumpet professionally.
"benjrblant" (benjblant)
10/18/2017 at 20:46, STARS: 1
It takes twice as long with 60 musicians than it would with 120.
Because those 60 have to switch instruments, play it again, and then overlap it in editing to get the proper quality performance.
"XJDano" (xjdano)
10/18/2017 at 20:49, STARS: 0
Maybe that’s the trick part. As there is no right answer because it’s all wrong to begin with.
2 wrongs not making a right kind of thing.
I’m not good at math or music.
"RPM esq." (rpm3)
10/18/2017 at 21:12, STARS: 2
I’ve always been a lot better at logic than arithmetic, so this would have been an ideal question for me: an opportunity to answer, correctly, “the same amount of time, or more if they play it slower, or less if they play it faster,” and then argue with the teacher FOREVER if they marked it wrong.
I grew up to be a litigator with a calculator.
"functionoverfashion" (functionoverfashion)
10/18/2017 at 21:23, STARS: 2
This is a bad kind of trick question, although a good student ought to see through it and just say “40 minutes.”
In a statistics class in college, there was one such question on the final and I sincerely wish I could remember the content (there were lots of normal questions, this was the last one). The gist of it is that it was a trick question, but it was put together in a way that made you kind of lay out the necessary calculations as you read through the question. If you understood the concepts of WHY you were doing each type of calculation, you’d quickly see that the answer was simple, like zero or something like that. But lots of kids spent a LOT of time scribbling, erasing, trying again. I was pretty sure it was a trick, and wrote my answer and left. I was right, and was the only one in the class to reach that conclusion without spending any time doing actual math. I don’t think anyone else got it right, even.
To me, that’s a good kind of trick question - one that makes you think about the concepts that are behind the math, rather than just robotically crunching numbers based on some memorized formulas. That’s what computers are for.
This wasn’t a way for me to brag or something, only to say that I think a trick question can be good if it’s constructed properly. Maybe a good one doesn’t fool everyone, but only some. I guess that’s the balance...
"unclevanos (Ovaltine Jenkins)" (unclevanos)
10/18/2017 at 21:23, STARS: 0
Pictures at an Exhibition is more fun to play.
"KusabiSensei - Captain of the Toronto Maple Leafs" (kusabisensei)
10/18/2017 at 21:26, STARS: 0
The ill-defined answer to an ill-defined question is f(p
This is because it will take longer to rehearse with more players. It also takes longer if you are a playing a reduction.
In related news: I ended up playing a few positions of a handbells arrangement of BWV 1068 tonight at practice. Of course, they weren’t anywhere near each other on the staff... (low bass bells with a few high battery bells in a three octave set). Technically speaking, I was playing for three people.
"Chariotoflove" (chariotoflove)
10/18/2017 at 21:27, STARS: 1
Yeah, it’s completely changed. Colonel Mustard isn’t a colonel anymore, for example.
http://boardgames.lovetoknow.com/New_Clue_Board_Game
And now they just added a new character and got rid of Mrs. White.
http://time.com/4401819/clue-board-game-dr-orchid-mrs-white/
"Chariotoflove" (chariotoflove)
10/18/2017 at 21:46, STARS: 1
A track show is done in front of the grandstand of a dirt track, usually at a county or state fair. When I was in school, Band Day at the Indiana State Fair was the big thing. Field shows, what you think of as normal football field competitions, weren’t even on our school’s radar. Track shows are different in that they have different space to move in, and when I was there, didn’t have lines for reference. Now they have lines. I just looked up and saw that my HS hasn’t don’t the Fair since 2004. Like I said, a dying animal. Here’s an example if you like:
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"ttyymmnn" (ttyymmnn)
10/18/2017 at 21:54, STARS: 0
It’s supposedly a trick question. I’m not buying it.
"ttyymmnn" (ttyymmnn)
10/18/2017 at 21:57, STARS: 1
Interesting. Never seen anything like that. Was that a judge out there with a stick checking alignment? It would be interesting to discover the history of this. I wonder if it grew out of parade performances that stopped in front of a reviewing stand to perform.
"ttyymmnn" (ttyymmnn)
10/18/2017 at 21:59, STARS: 0
I have never played handbells. I have heard them played expertly, but more often than not, they are played by very ardent and well-meaning amateurs. Great sound though.
"ttyymmnn" (ttyymmnn)
10/18/2017 at 22:01, STARS: 1
Agreed, but it also includes the opening Promenade, one of the most knuckle-bitingest excerpts for trumpet. And the Goldenberg movement is a bitch. The very first concert I ever played as a professional principal trumpet had Overture to Candide, Gershwin Piano Concerto in F (huge trumpet solo in the second movement), and Pictures. Talk about jumping in feet first!
"Highlander-Datsuns are Forever" (jamesbowland)
10/18/2017 at 22:03, STARS: 1
Yeah it’s a shitty question. BRW I slept through a portion of the 1st and 2nd movement. The poor trombones and the women by the bassons (contra basson), sat there for an hour until they got to play in the 4th movement.
"ttyymmnn" (ttyymmnn)
10/18/2017 at 22:06, STARS: 0
Getting a doctorate in music requires passing comprehensive exams in music history and music theory. For the theory, you have to diagram a movement of a symphony, lay out the chord structure, identify themes and the form, etc. For this particular piece, the first theme was easy to find. The second theme, however, was much harder. There was music that looked like it should be the second theme, but it was in the wrong key. There was something that didn’t look like a theme at all, but it was in the correct key. Lots of people made long-winded explanations about why the second theme was in the wrong key, how it was some sort of special case, etc. I answered that the bit that looked wrong had to be right because of the key, and I got it right. I spent about five minutes on it, while others spent 50. So yeah, there is definitely a perverse pleasure in seeing through the obfuscation. It shows that you have a definite grasp of the depth of the material, and you’re not just ticking boxes or following a formula.
"ttyymmnn" (ttyymmnn)
10/18/2017 at 22:07, STARS: 2
Funny, because I didn’t look at this as a logician, I looked at it as a musician. Either way, it ain’t a math problem.
"ttyymmnn" (ttyymmnn)
10/18/2017 at 22:09, STARS: 0
It’s a mess, no doubt. But playing a piece of music isn’t like digging a hole. It doesn’t matter how many people you have on stage, the music is the music. Whereas if you have twice as many people digging it will take half as long. As somebody else pointed out, it’s almost more of a logic problem than a math problem.
"ttyymmnn" (ttyymmnn)
10/18/2017 at 22:10, STARS: 1
There are many recordings (can’t think of a specific one) where a single person plays all the instruments and then puts them together in the studio. Not symphonies, but pop music. And there are many, many pop singers who sing their own harmonies on records. That’s why they sound so good.
"ttyymmnn" (ttyymmnn)
10/18/2017 at 22:12, STARS: 0
That happens a lot. To play trumpet in Messiah, you play about 10 minutes into the first part, then sit for 40 minutes. Then you sit for 40 more minutes before you play at the end. It sucks, but it’s what it is.
"KusabiSensei - Captain of the Toronto Maple Leafs" (kusabisensei)
10/18/2017 at 22:15, STARS: 1
Proper technique takes many many years of practice and dedication. A whole choir of ringers that dedicated and talented is almost impossible to find.
I was mainly doing it so that the others could hear cues for their parts. Hopefully the people who are supposed to ring those positions will be back soon.
"unclevanos (Ovaltine Jenkins)" (unclevanos)
10/18/2017 at 22:29, STARS: 1
The Hut of Baba Yaga is a killer with all the tonguing for saxophone. Great Gate of Kiev is hard to explain since the beauty of it is with how the chords ring (I don’t have a degree music so I dumb down most terms). It sounds amazing when your brass section knows what the hell they’re doing.
"XJDano" (xjdano)
10/18/2017 at 22:29, STARS: 1
I was curious so I had followed your link to the time story, then on to twitter and the teacher who wrote it said it was a trick question. She even posted both sides of the work sheet. She also mentioned it was only a worksheet that didn’t account for grading.
It is neat how a simple worksheet can get people around the world talking about it.
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I didn’t copy and paste twitter earlier. I think I got it now.
I think that she knew it’s not how it works and pulled a fast one........
I’ll see myself out.
"Chariotoflove" (chariotoflove)
10/18/2017 at 22:56, STARS: 0
I knew you are a math teacher, but didn’t know you and ttyymmnn are related.
I love teaching grade school kids, although I haven’t done it for a living yet. With professional students, it’s much more of a business transaction. I get so frustrated because here are these young adults that are paying huge tuition to learn from me, and many of them are trying to get away with doing as little as possible. WTF? They should be working to get the most for their money that they can, but that’s not how it works. With grade school kids, it still feels like there’s a chance of sparking their interest in learning cool stuff. Not math, of course, no one in his right mind likes math. :p
"Chariotoflove" (chariotoflove)
10/18/2017 at 23:06, STARS: 1
I think that’s a good guess. The midwest is mostly agricultural, and county fairs dot the calendar throughout the summer. Summer was full of band practice every evening at the high school, with a week of band camp in late July at some park or college.
I remember band camp at Taylor University in Who-cares, Indiana. There were only two main rules: 1) no playing instruments in the field before 9 am, and 2) no dancing.
Anyway, the big event was State Fair Band Day in August. My junior year, the director took us to ISSMA field show competitions, which began after the school year starts, of course. Nowadays, that’s the predominant thing, but back then, no one knew what it was.
"ttyymmnn" (ttyymmnn)
10/18/2017 at 23:40, STARS: 1
It’s an extraordinary work. And to think it all started with a solo piano piece.
"Galileo Humpkins (aka MC Clap Yo Handz)" (galileo-humpkins)
10/18/2017 at 23:42, STARS: 1
Isn’t this from the math teacher who admitted that she/he puts these kinds of questions in to keep kids on their toes? It was all over the internets a few days ago.
Edit: Checked,
it is from that teacher
"Rusty Vandura - www.tinyurl.com/keepoppo" (rustyvandura)
10/18/2017 at 23:45, STARS: 0
What do you do for a living? The trouble with math is that it tends to be poorly taught.
"Rusty Vandura - www.tinyurl.com/keepoppo" (rustyvandura)
10/18/2017 at 23:46, STARS: 1
No dancing? Like
Footloose
?
"marimvibe, new packaging, same great taste" (marimvibe)
10/19/2017 at 00:01, STARS: 1
Well it takes 9 women one month to go from conception to childbirth, right?
"Chariotoflove" (chariotoflove)
10/19/2017 at 00:05, STARS: 1
Yes, just like that. Seriously.
"Chariotoflove" (chariotoflove)
10/19/2017 at 00:08, STARS: 0
I’m a professor of biomedical sciences. I do molecular genetics research and also teach neuroscience, biochemistry, and physiology. Teaching at this level requires no actual educational training or certification. Only expertise in one’s field. Therefore, quality of instruction is hit or miss.
"jimz" (jimz)
10/19/2017 at 13:39, STARS: 0
It takes one woman 9 months to have a baby. How long would it take 9 women to have a baby?
"Rusty Vandura - www.tinyurl.com/keepoppo" (rustyvandura)
10/19/2017 at 14:31, STARS: 0
I have a BS in mathematics and an MS Ed. in educational technology. When I was in junior college in the early 90s, in the SF Bay Area, there was a very promising young Ph. D mathematician teaching Calculus who interviewed at Berkeley. He said that at Berkeley, being any kind of teacher got you zero points and, maybe, demerits, because you might start enjoying it and publishing less.
"Chariotoflove" (chariotoflove)
10/19/2017 at 17:43, STARS: 0
We have teaching and research tracks here. I actually have a colleague who started out research, but couldn’t get enough grant money and was able to switch teaching and get tenure. But, that’s kind of rare in the current science environment at big universities. In general, you need to have a good research profile and bring in grant money, or you get sidelined. At UT Southwestern Medical Center, across town, most of my Ph.D. colleagues in research are on 50% soft money. That means they have to come up with half their own salaries from the grants they win. That’s pretty common. The actual teaching at the medical school is done by non-tenure track instructors, who make up a kind of second class. Teaching is not valued as it should be in today’s society, and it will be our downfall.
I work where I do specifically because I wanted teaching to be part of my life mixed with the research. We’ll see how it works out. I have grant renewal time coming up in a couple years.
"Rusty Vandura - www.tinyurl.com/keepoppo" (rustyvandura)
10/19/2017 at 20:04, STARS: 0
Mind if I ask your age? I’m 53.
I’m a little bit suspicious of the concept of tenure; certainly, I benefit from it. I exercise a small measure of arrogance from time to time, as in when I said I largely ignore Common Core. The truth is, my teaching could always have been considered Common Core once I figured out what I was actually doing in a classroom, which takes about seven years. I can’t speak for university teaching, but I know that tenure is a massive force for mediocrity and arrogance among public school teachers. In the real world, the guy with the liberal arts degree will make less money than the guy with the math or science degree. Public school teachers, most of them, have never had a real job and have no idea what it’s like to be accountable for anything, or to be reviewed in a meaningful way, or to be tapped on the shoulder and asked to consider taking a promotion. Tenure and collective bargaining make teaching a dead end job with guaranteed employment for life.
"Chariotoflove" (chariotoflove)
10/19/2017 at 20:28, STARS: 1
I’m 49.
Tenure is a more dynamic thing in academia these days than it used to be. It’s more like a six year vote of confidence. Every six years we go up for post tenure review, and our performance is reviewed by the department each year. But we don’t have to worry about contract renewal in the meantime. Still, I never feel home free.