by "Wobbles the Mind" (wobblesthemind)
Published 10/16/2017 at 09:40
by "Wobbles the Mind" (wobblesthemind)
Published 10/16/2017 at 09:40
Tags: Questions
STARS: 1
Let us pretend that every 2018 model year car is actually making 10% more power than they are rated. With that in mind, does this impact your view on any cars? Especially with the pricing staying the same.
"Nibby" (nibby68)
10/16/2017 at 09:44, STARS: 1
the 2017 ford tempo now makes 440 horsepower
"E90M3" (e90m3)
10/16/2017 at 09:48, STARS: 0
So basically this then:
"K-Roll-PorscheTamer" (k-roll390)
10/16/2017 at 09:52, STARS: 0
Nope.
"2Fast2Furious: Rotary Powered" (2fast2furiousfc3s)
10/16/2017 at 09:55, STARS: 0
What is this 90s Japan? Although the new CTR is rated below or at wheel rather than crank
"BeaterGT" (beatergt)
10/16/2017 at 09:56, STARS: 0
I’d like to own McLaren 627S, it’s much better than a 570S.
"Stapleface" (patrickgruden)
10/16/2017 at 10:01, STARS: 1
Hmm, ultimately probably not.
Take the Subaru Crosstrek for instance. I owned one for a couple of years. And I really liked it, except for the anemic engine. Even a 10% increase in hp isn’t enough. That would be 15 extra HP when it really needs about 50.
"davesaddiction @ opposite-lock.com" (davesaddiction)
10/16/2017 at 10:07, STARS: 2
It makes the BRZ/86 and ND Miata just that much more attractive to me.
"promoted by the color red" (whenindoubtflatout)
10/16/2017 at 10:10, STARS: 1
People will still complain that the Miata/ToyoBaru aren’t making enough horsepower.
"Arrivederci" (arrividerci)
10/16/2017 at 10:15, STARS: 0
So that’d bump it to what, 220hp? You can do better than that on an existing one for roughly $1k. Header + tune + E85.
"Tristan" (casselts)
10/16/2017 at 10:18, STARS: 0
Nope. Thanks to electronic nannies and bloat, 300hp will still feel like 150.
"davesaddiction @ opposite-lock.com" (davesaddiction)
10/16/2017 at 10:22, STARS: 0
Sorry, I’m not chasing down E85... And it if starts at 220, it just makes 250 that much more achievable.
"TheHondaBro" (wwaveform)
10/16/2017 at 10:24, STARS: 0
Still rated at the crank, but under-rated. Definitely making more than 308 hp.
"R Saldana [|Oo|======|oO|] - BTC/ETH/LTC Prophet" (r-saldana)
10/16/2017 at 10:25, STARS: 0
It pisses me off more that the Ford GT was not in PCOTY
"Jayhawk Jake" (jayhawkjake)
10/16/2017 at 10:26, STARS: 0
If every car made that much more power I don’t think it makes a difference. If the scenario was “you get to pick one car and it makes 10% more power” then perhaps because now cars will compare differently.
"2Fast2Furious: Rotary Powered" (2fast2furiousfc3s)
10/16/2017 at 10:27, STARS: 2
Because in most cases they don’t.
"BahamaTodd" (bahamatodd)
10/16/2017 at 10:44, STARS: 0
But that throws all factory performance, emissions, and reliability validation out the window.
"interstate366, now In The Industry" (interstate366)
10/16/2017 at 10:51, STARS: 0
The Civic Type R already is.
"Arrivederci" (arrividerci)
10/16/2017 at 10:56, STARS: 0
Eh - the “factory performance” nets you a massive torque hole, which this completely corrects. Emissions I get, but you still have a secondary cat on the front pipe and E85 burns cleaner than gasoline. Reliability would be a concern, although minimal in my experience. I ran my old BRZ on corn for two years without any issues. Folks doing so longterm didn’t report any issues either. The power increase isn’t enough to stress other components, unlike FI, so it’s unlikely you’ll have a grenaded transmission or spin a bearing or have any other catastrophic failure.
If you keep stock exhaust besides the header, it’s unlikely a shop would even know you messed with anything based on a quick visual inspection and by the sound it makes.
"interstate366, now In The Industry" (interstate366)
10/16/2017 at 10:57, STARS: 0
295 wheel, so around 340 crank.
"BiTurbo228 - Dr Frankenstein of Spitfires" (biturbo228)
10/16/2017 at 11:11, STARS: 0
Does little to fix the actual issues I have with modern cars (massive, heavy, burdened with unnecessary luxury, overly complex, seemingly designed to be unfriendly to the amateur mechanic, subject to emissions regulations you’re required to pass here if you modify them, most are autos/semi-autos, pillboxes with minimal visibility, and a host of other things).
The one thing that modern cars do have going for them is oodles of power over their older siblings. 10% more isn’t going to make much of a difference when it’s already something they’re winning at.
10% smaller might do it, as it’ll hit the ‘massive size’ and ‘really heavy’ issues. Not sure it’s enough to overcome the ‘automatic piles of complication’ thing though...
"AfromanGTO" (afromangto)
10/16/2017 at 11:36, STARS: 0
I’d be much happier if they all weighed at least 10% less than what is claimed.
"Smallbear wants a modern Syclone, local Maple Leafs spammer" (smallbear94)
10/16/2017 at 12:42, STARS: 0
Comparing across the offerings today with imminent intent to buy? No. If everything is 10% more it doesn’t change a thing.
Convincing me to trade up to something new? Yes.
"B/Xmrrmvr" (davidedumass)
10/16/2017 at 19:25, STARS: 0
The new Civic Si would definitely benefit from a 20.5 hp increase. It would be just enough to quiet the naysayers IMO, especially with the same MSRP.