by "Carbon Fiber Sasquatch" (turbopumpkin)
Published 10/02/2017 at 21:22
by "Carbon Fiber Sasquatch" (turbopumpkin)
Published 10/02/2017 at 21:22
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Why are so many people upset that this can be optioned to nearly $100k
But these are perfectly reasonable being over $100k?
And if the argument is “you’ll never need that much truck” well yeah and most won’t even begin to approach the capabilities of a Panamera or S class.
I just don’t understand how those arguing at the ridiculousness of a luxury pickup truck don’t realize that they’re basically arguing against any car existing over $100k
"CRider" (crider)
10/02/2017 at 21:27, STARS: 3
Because trucks are for blue collar workers, and poor people aren’t supposed to have nice things even if they make more money than you.
"CB" (jrcb)
10/02/2017 at 21:32, STARS: 3
I think it’s the idea that it’s a) a Ford and b) a pickup truck. Fords are thought to be a cheaper brand (at least, when you can buy a $13k car from them), so spending a ton of money on them makes people question the value because it’s a Ford. Spending loads of money on a Porsche or a Mercedes makes sense to people because those brands have the “pedigree” to do that. Pickup trucks are supposed to be working vehicles, and utilitarian in nature. So paying loads of money for a “luxury” pickup truck makes people scratch their heads, because the utilitarian nature of the truck gets challenged.
Personally, I’d never buy one, and I won’t ever have the money to buy one, so my opinion on the issue doesn’t matter.
"coqui70" (coqui70)
10/02/2017 at 21:32, STARS: 1
Totally reasonable if you consider the truck can pull the house pictured behind it. Or a large boat (Nimitz-class carrier). Or pretty much any damn thing.
"dogisbadob" (dogisbadob)
10/02/2017 at 21:32, STARS: 4
a Ford vs a Porsche or Mercedes. The luxury and prestige of the badge, oooooooooooooooooooooooooo :p
That’s why I’m surprised the Blackwood, Mark LT, and Escalade EXT failed. And I like the Blackwood more than I should.
But the real upsetting thing is that the base prices have gone up too much, also. No more 16k strippo F150 work truck. And no more cheap small trucks, either.
"Frenchlicker" (frenchlicker)
10/02/2017 at 21:34, STARS: 1
Trucks are for men and you ain’t need none of that fancy stuff iffin your a real man. Honestly if I had to money I would buy a truck that would make me comfortable in between tasks.
"OpposResidentLexusGuy - USE20, XF20, XU30 and Press Cars" (jakeauern)
10/02/2017 at 21:38, STARS: 1
That truck is so much more then just a truck imo.
"bhtooefr" (bhtooefr)
10/02/2017 at 21:40, STARS: 5
To be fair, at least that particular Panamera is advanced technology to try to reduce the impact of the vehicle, whereas the Ford is an absurd profit margin vehicle that is so huge that it’s exempt from many emissions and fuel efficiency regulations.
Also, I’ll grant that most people won’t daily a $100k F-450, but an $80k F-250, with nothing in the bed? Absolutely.
"My citroen won't start" (lucasboechat)
10/02/2017 at 21:42, STARS: 0
Because actual technology and research went into making the Panamera and the S-Class (which I despise) when compared to that mess of chrome and impotent rage.
"Textured Soy Protein" (texturedsoyprotein)
10/02/2017 at 21:49, STARS: 0
Because a bling bling truck is taking a vehicle intended to accomplish some kind of actual purpose and turning it into a luxury vehicle that people then drive around not using the supposed original purpose. An S-Class is of no purpose at all other than luxury.
Also giant trucks are harder for those of us in lowered performance cars to see over, and worse to get crashed into by.
"Jordan and the Slowrunner, Boomer Intensifies" (jordanwphillips)
10/02/2017 at 21:51, STARS: 0
Counterpoint: The vast majority of people that sacrifice practicality for the F-450 use the 450.
"Carbon Fiber Sasquatch" (turbopumpkin)
10/02/2017 at 21:53, STARS: 4
But actual technology and research did go into the F series.
It’s ridiculous to assert that a truck design to tow nearly ten tons is somehow inferior to a car with a built in air freshener and reclining rear seats. It just sounds pretentious.
"Carbon Fiber Sasquatch" (turbopumpkin)
10/02/2017 at 21:56, STARS: 0
Can’t argue with the last point but the $100k trim level doesn’t really affect the size of the truck. If trucks this size started at $100k, they’d actually be less of a problem on the road lol
"Carbon Fiber Sasquatch" (turbopumpkin)
10/02/2017 at 21:58, STARS: 2
Is the empty F250 any different than a Ferrari or Lamborghini never exceeding 65 mph in its lifetime?
"Textured Soy Protein" (texturedsoyprotein)
10/02/2017 at 22:01, STARS: 0
I guess that’s the source of the irritation. If a construction worker is hauling concrete in a pickup, it’s annoying, but there’s a reason. If some rich person is driving a pimped out F-450 because that’s what they like, it’s a nuisance.
"bhtooefr" (bhtooefr)
10/02/2017 at 22:02, STARS: 1
I’m going to say yes for a few reasons.
Most Ferrari and Lamborghini products likely have slightly better fuel economy than a gas F-250, although a diesel F-250 is another story.
All current Ferrari and Lamborghini products have far better handling and accident avoidance capability than the F-250.
All current Ferrari and Lamborghini products have less mass than the F-250, reducing the severity of a collision for the other party in an accident.
"Carbon Fiber Sasquatch" (turbopumpkin)
10/02/2017 at 22:05, STARS: 2
What I wouldn’t give for a modern S-10 sized pickup with a 2.0T ...
"wafflesnfalafel" (wafflesnfalafel1)
10/02/2017 at 22:09, STARS: 1
Agree - its arguably a competitor to the Escalade and more functional.
"Carbon Fiber Sasquatch" (turbopumpkin)
10/02/2017 at 22:10, STARS: 0
Those are great points, but are the trucks a bigger problem because they’re cheaper and easier to get?
"My citroen won't start" (lucasboechat)
10/02/2017 at 22:11, STARS: 1
But surely you can see that the amounts and quality of the research and technology are vastly different, Ford has been shitting out these useless-in-every-country-but-Murica trucks since the dawn of time with little change from year to year, maybe a little investment in the Chrome and Tackiness department.
"Carbon Fiber Sasquatch" (turbopumpkin)
10/02/2017 at 22:19, STARS: 2
By that logic, Porsche just ups the boost in their engines, slaps an “S” on the back and calls it a day.
The trim levels are just a way to recover engineering research costs. Pickup trucks have never been more fuel efficient or more capable and still manage to be less than $50k for that capacity.
To repurpose a famous quote: You’re making fun of a fish because it can’t climb a tree
"FTTOHG Has Moved to https://opposite-lock.com" (alphaass)
10/02/2017 at 22:30, STARS: 0
I’m annoyed with these lux diesel heavy duty trucks because of they are big and slow and clog the road. Tons of people around here commute solo in these things with empty beds. There is nothing more frustrating than being the 4th car behind 3 dually King Ranches at a red light and not getting through because they are long and slow when 6 S-classes could’ve made the light. I’m fine with it when the trucks are being used for work, but if you’re not then something smaller/faster makes the road better for everyone else. Even if it’s a Ferrari that’s never been above 65 MPH at least doesn’t clog the road like an F450.
"FTTOHG Has Moved to https://opposite-lock.com" (alphaass)
10/02/2017 at 22:32, STARS: 1
All that being said, I don’t really have a problem with their existence. Like you said in the scheme of things they’re just another overly-capable vehicle. But I just wish, in general, Americans bought less vehicles that were bigger than needed for 99% of what they use them for.
"TheD0k_2many toys 2little time" (thed0ck)
10/02/2017 at 22:37, STARS: 3
Slow? Have you been in a modern diesel truck? Almost 1000ftlbs isnt slow. Even when it weighs 8000lbs
"FTTOHG Has Moved to https://opposite-lock.com" (alphaass)
10/02/2017 at 23:09, STARS: 0
I’ve driven them We have several at work. Torque gets all that weight moving but horsepower is where speed comes from and 380ish hp is not a lot for an 8000 lb. vehicle. They are slow, even empty.
"HFV has no HFV. But somehow has 2 motorcycles" (hondasfordsvolvo)
10/03/2017 at 00:03, STARS: 1
The problem is at the time Lincoln and Cadillac were making crap. Not luxury cars, certainly not luxury trucks.
"HFV has no HFV. But somehow has 2 motorcycles" (hondasfordsvolvo)
10/03/2017 at 00:06, STARS: 0
Not if your buying the trunk for towing, you can tow a big ass camper, or a horse trailer, or race car trailer, and also being a heater and cooled seat, and have air ride that offers a comfortable ride. Not every one who does work, does dirty work.
"HFV has no HFV. But somehow has 2 motorcycles" (hondasfordsvolvo)
10/03/2017 at 00:08, STARS: 2
Are you actually saying that trucks haven’t changed in the last 50 years.... yeah sure neither have computers, or telephones.
"Textured Soy Protein" (texturedsoyprotein)
10/03/2017 at 00:22, STARS: 0
I know it *can* do those things but how many people actually use it to do those things?
"HFV has no HFV. But somehow has 2 motorcycles" (hondasfordsvolvo)
10/03/2017 at 00:25, STARS: 2
You could say the same about a Panamera. It’s a GT car made to take great road trips, and tackle some challenging back roads along the way, maybe even do a track day or two. But most of its buyers will just use it to commute and/or show off their wealth.
"Textured Soy Protein" (texturedsoyprotein)
10/03/2017 at 00:46, STARS: 1
I mean, all of these are totally irrational vehicles. Deciding to hate one or more of them doesn’t need to be rational either.
Fuck the bubba trucks, long live super GT hatchback luxo cruisers!
"CRider" (crider)
10/03/2017 at 00:53, STARS: 1
Most people buying F540 duallys use them to tow heavy trailers, if not fifth wheel or goose neck trailers. F450 is visually the same as a F250, only much stiffer, with uprated axles, transmission, brakes, springs, things like that. That make it much stiffer to drive around unladen. A fully loaded F250 Platinum crew cab long bed 4X4 comes in at right around $80k, but that includes options like trailer assist, HD tow package, plow package, HD alternators. Not to mention the diesel engine, which is a $9,000 option by itself. There’s no reason to go to an F450 unless you do need it, and nobody is paying $100,000 for a truck they don’t need.
"CRider" (crider)
10/03/2017 at 00:56, STARS: 0
Little change from year to year? The F series just went to a fully aluminum body. The F-150 has turbocharged engines with direct injection. They have more technology than you think, and a lot of luxury features that would have been impressive in an S Class not 10 years ago.
"CRider" (crider)
10/03/2017 at 01:01, STARS: 2
Ford’s diesel makes 440 hp and 925 lb-ft and hits sixty in around 8 seconds. It’s not a Tesla but it’s not slow in any sense.
"My citroen won't start" (lucasboechat)
10/03/2017 at 06:41, STARS: 0
Not 10 years ago, that’s what I’m talking about.
Granted, it takes time to make technology rugged enough for trucks, but charging 100k for what is essentially a commercial truck with added fake leather and tacky chrome is a bit much.
"My citroen won't start" (lucasboechat)
10/03/2017 at 06:42, STARS: 0
They have changed, but not enough to warrant thar price that.
This is what I’m saying.
"Smallbear wants a modern Syclone, local Maple Leafs spammer" (smallbear94)
10/03/2017 at 07:32, STARS: 2
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"RutRut" (RDR)
10/03/2017 at 08:57, STARS: 0
You leave those of us with F-250s and nothing currently in the bed out of this, same as I currently don’t have the ball on the back of my truck. Someone actually told me off for having a truck with no ball on the back, it actually rides in the back seat most of the time in case I get rear ended. No one wants to hit 80lbs+ of cast iron. Truck bed is typically empty on the weekdays but gets used quite a bit on weekends.
"Textured Soy Protein" (texturedsoyprotein)
10/03/2017 at 09:37, STARS: 0
I live in Wisconsin. There are many, many trucks here that people buy because they want to drive a truck and don’t actually use any of the truck capabilities. I had a former coworker who bought an F-250 diesel to tow an enclosed motorcycle trailer with multiple bikes in it, but for every person like that there’s way more people like another former coworker who bought a succession of F-150 crew cabs because he was convinced that was the best way to get a back seat big enough for his two kids’ booster seats.
Which is fine, of course. But the majority of truck buyers buy trucks because they just want a truck and there’s not really any rational explanation for it. I drive a stupid thoroughly modified BMW 335xi coupe because I wanted one car that I could drive year round here but have fun with on back roads, because that entertains me. I could’ve gotten the sedan with a usable back seat but nooo, I like how the coupe looks. And I made it ride all stiff to go around turns faster and there’s no reason I need the roughly 400ish hp it now makes.
I’m no better than the guy with the booster seats.
"Milky" (jordanmielke)
10/03/2017 at 09:55, STARS: 0
Because the base truck is $30k, the truck with the long bed, quad cab and dually is 50k, then you add in a diesel for 10k. Thats all fine. But when you throw on 40k in options you’re giving 20k in pure profit margin.
Same thing if you added $40k in options to the other 2 cars and didn’t get a drivetrain upgrade, well, its stupid.
"CRider" (crider)
10/03/2017 at 13:28, STARS: 0
So the guy with the motorcycle trailer bought the F-250, and the guy that just uses it like a big car bought the light duty F-150? That doesn’t seem that unreasonable. The F-150 crew cab does have more leg room than a Mercedes S600 Maybach, and has fuel economy rivaling the Explorer. My point was that very few people are spending the extra $20k on hardware they don’t need and won’t use. Not that people don’t buy trucks because they want them.
"CRider" (crider)
10/03/2017 at 13:40, STARS: 0
!!! UNKNOWN CONTENT TYPE !!!
Here’s a summary of features in these trucks.
Oh, and the leather in these trucks is real. There are vinyl seats available in lower trips, but the expensive ones have real leather, wood and metal trim.
"Textured Soy Protein" (texturedsoyprotein)
10/03/2017 at 14:22, STARS: 0
I mean, I already said it was fine for them to buy their trucks and I have no ground to stand on to criticize them. People buy what they want because they want it. Their decisions certainly don’t have to be rational. Besides, what kid in a booster seat needs limo legroom? This dude is like 5'6" and his kids aren’t exactly Shaq-sized. ;)
"CRider" (crider)
10/03/2017 at 18:50, STARS: 0
Right, I’m not disagreeing. But I do think having 3'+ to work with makes it pretty easy to climb in the back and get your kid in/out of their seat. I’m just saying that all F series trucks use the same cab, and few people buy F-450s because they like having a 4 on the side instead of a 1 or 2.