by "Takuro Spirit" (takurospirit)
Published 09/29/2017 at 12:23
by "Takuro Spirit" (takurospirit)
Published 09/29/2017 at 12:23
Tags: dumb people
; dumb drivers
; bad drivers
; caught on dashcam
; ram cam
; ram dashcam
STARS: 3
Seriously, its 2017, can we just get auto headlights for everything? Take this Subaru, for example:
Look at it, sitting there, DRL eyebrow on one side, out on the other because the signal is on....
Finally with enough flashing and cycling MY headlights on and off they get the hint, and turn on their low beams. SUCCESS! Or so I thought....
They... turned off the low beams. Went to just parking/DRLs. Well, at least the tail lights are lit up now.
Fucking dumb people. Learn how your car works. This is why we need automatic everything, because you’re too lazy to RTFM so we need the car to do everything for you.
"unclevanos (Ovaltine Jenkins)" (unclevanos)
09/29/2017 at 12:27, STARS: 0
Badly aimed HIDs make me angry or driving with the high beams on.
"Takuro Spirit" (takurospirit)
09/29/2017 at 12:30, STARS: 0
Its gotten less annoying now that I have a truck and am up high, and I guess having the headlights (albeit highbeams/shitty HID conversions) on at all is better than none at all.... but yeah, fuck them people too.
"Little Black Coupe Turned Silver" (littleblackcoupe)
09/29/2017 at 12:34, STARS: 0
Plz continue down the road a little bit and then Fed Ez bacon water chestnuts from Charcoal to Nebraska?
"unclevanos (Ovaltine Jenkins)" (unclevanos)
09/29/2017 at 12:35, STARS: 1
I had a fiesta tailgate me with their high beams on while on the highway. I’m in the far right lane with the slow YJ they didnt pass me. So I’m blinded with high beams reflecting on the mirros and windshield. Slowed down without the brakes, they didn’t get the message. Assholes.
"Takuro Spirit" (takurospirit)
09/29/2017 at 12:39, STARS: 0
I don’t think I’ve ever ordered them from there. Last few times we went we’ve gotten HORRIBLE service. If it didn’t smell so damn good from the road we’d probably stop going there altogether.
"Takuro Spirit" (takurospirit)
09/29/2017 at 12:40, STARS: 1
There were times I wished I had a rear mounted spotlight or extra bright reverse lights on a switch to retaliate against some of those kinds of people.
"DC3 LS, will be perpetually replacing cars until the end of time" (dc3ls-)
09/29/2017 at 12:41, STARS: 5
Speaking of dumb people. I saw someone driving around with one of these on their car, with their head stuck out the window like a dog.
"unclevanos (Ovaltine Jenkins)" (unclevanos)
09/29/2017 at 12:48, STARS: 0
I need this then:
"For Sweden" (rallybeetle)
09/29/2017 at 12:51, STARS: 1
ban driving at night
"PartyPooper2012" (PartyPooper2012)
09/29/2017 at 12:53, STARS: 0
I am against DRLs.
For one, I am PartyPooper so I must poo poo everything
For two, Automated gizmos makes people dumb - Let’s jump in this car and push all the buttons. When we’re done, we will be at grandmas house. NO! Not how it works. Driving involves doing a series of things which involve putting seat belt on, turning lights on. Signaling. Paying attention... to road. To your car’s condition. To your self damn it.
For three - DRLs don’t turn on tail lights. Driving behind someone with DRLs makes it nearly impossible to see at night. Is it hard to connect DRLs to tail lights as well? DRLs alone don’t illuminate road ahead of you in any significant way.
"bhtooefr" (bhtooefr)
09/29/2017 at 13:01, STARS: 1
Also make sure that if the automatic lights have a defeat, it only lasts until the car is powered down, so they’re back in auto upon next start. (I’m looking at you, Toyota. VW is guilty of this too, but they at least have a light sensor in the cluster that kills the cluster backlight if the lights aren’t on and they should be. GM is the model of how to do this - “off” is a momentary position that only lasts until key off.)
Or, just go to motorcycle rules. Key on? Lights are on. That’s what I do with my Prius anyway - the lights have auto-off, so I just leave them in full on, only changing the high beam as needed, or if I need to signal to someone that their lights are out (or to a trucker that they’re clear, go ahead and merge), I do manually cycle them back and forth to full off.
"cmill189 - sans Volvo" (cmill189)
09/29/2017 at 13:02, STARS: 0
It’s extra stupid with a Subaru because you can just leave the headlight switch on all the time.
My biggest complaint regarding DRLs is compainies that backlight the gauges independently of the headlights. It tricks people into thinking their headlights are on.
"Little Black Coupe Turned Silver" (littleblackcoupe)
09/29/2017 at 13:02, STARS: 0
Yeah, the service was always hit or miss when I lived up there. But the chestnuts made up for it. Except the one time they were out of them...
"bhtooefr" (bhtooefr)
09/29/2017 at 13:04, STARS: 1
In markets where DRLs are mandatory, there’s really no point to even having a light switch - just tie them to key on status, the only control you get is high beams.
"Takuro Spirit" (takurospirit)
09/29/2017 at 13:10, STARS: 0
They literally gave my youngest daughter’s order to another table, and made her wait another 15 minutes while the rest of us had our food that also took 15 minutes in the first place. They gave her a free plate of fries, but that didn’t make up for it.
"Urambo Tauro" (urambotauro)
09/29/2017 at 13:10, STARS: 0
Curfew time!
"Urambo Tauro" (urambotauro)
09/29/2017 at 13:11, STARS: 4
Not a fan of automating everything, but “learn how your car works” is something that I can definitely get behind.
"Takuro Spirit" (takurospirit)
09/29/2017 at 13:13, STARS: 0
I actually had to cycle my truck’s lights OFF of auto so I could flash them on and off at the driver, after flashing the high beams did nothing.
I have my dash lights set to dim a bit when the headlights come on, so I know if its just a bit cloudy or I’m in the shade under some trees and the over-sensitive ass sensor makes them come on, I know after a split second of wondering why I can’t see my speed or the radio anymore that they’ve come on.
Well, that, and the GLARING GREEN LIGHTS that everyone should understand by now.
"Takuro Spirit" (takurospirit)
09/29/2017 at 13:14, STARS: 1
Not a fan either, per se, but man. Some people just plain NEED IT.
"Nothing" (nothingatalluseful)
09/29/2017 at 13:17, STARS: 1
My father in law borrowed my wife’s Grand Cherokee one time while we were out of town. He picked us up at the airport at night and drove out there the entire way with just the DRLs. My wife has the headlights set to “automatic” so they come on at dusk, but he turned that off for some reason.
Cops in my old hometown called DRLs “drunk running lights”. They’d wait for people to leave the bar, see the front DRLs come on, but no tail lights and pull them over.
"itschrome" (itschrome)
09/29/2017 at 13:21, STARS: 0
agree, but I like the auto setting for my lights on the car. just one last thing to never have to deal with.
"PartyPooper2012" (PartyPooper2012)
09/29/2017 at 13:22, STARS: 0
One other thing I wish DRLs stopped illuminating is dashboard. People get the false sense of “Lights are ON” with dashboard instrumentation lit up.
"diplodicus" (diplodicus)
09/29/2017 at 13:30, STARS: 0
Lights are just too damn bright these days.
"thejustache" (thejustache)
09/29/2017 at 13:39, STARS: 0
maybe they were in stealth mode?
"Urambo Tauro" (urambotauro)
09/29/2017 at 13:40, STARS: 0
...for as long as you own that car, anyway.
"TheRealBicycleBuck" (therealbicyclebuck)
09/29/2017 at 13:49, STARS: 0
The down side to leaving your headlights on all the time is the dashboard. You have to constantly fiddle with the dashboard dimmer to get them the right brightness for the right conditions, darker at night so you aren’t night-blind, full brightness during the day so you can see them.
Might as well use the headlights switch.
"cmill189 - sans Volvo" (cmill189)
09/29/2017 at 13:56, STARS: 0
This is true. Really depends on the car. Mine has a light sensor for just the interior lights that’s independent of the headlights.
"TheRealBicycleBuck" (therealbicyclebuck)
09/29/2017 at 14:02, STARS: 1
Our Outback can be fully auto, both inside and out. My WRX is manual all the way. Funny, that’s true of the transmissions too.
"marshknute" (marshknute)
09/29/2017 at 14:18, STARS: 0
Never underestimate people’s stupidity. Headlights should be permanently on if the car is on. There shouldn’t even be a switch inside the car.
"itschrome" (itschrome)
09/29/2017 at 14:30, STARS: 0
I keep buying GM cars. they have had them since.. atleast the early 90's. odds are I’ll buy another GM with it. haha
"gogmorgo - rowing gears in a Grand Cherokee" (gogmorgo)
09/29/2017 at 15:59, STARS: 0
I get flak at work because I sent out a “turn on your damn headlights” memo every November after nearly hitting yet another random moron cruising around in a whiteout with no lights on. Our fleet vehicles are white. Add some winter road grime and they’re the same colour as the road, ditch, and sky.
Hopefully someone er... Gets the memo, but I’m pretty sure it mostly just got ignored.
"VajazzleMcDildertits - read carefully, respond politely" (vajazzlemcdildertits)
09/29/2017 at 16:09, STARS: 0
TL;DR Ranting about how to educate and train drivers for a baseline of self responsiblity. Spinoff into ranting about education in general. Teaching lessons to humans who don’t want to learn is ultimately incredibly hard without breaking a lot of eggs.
Assuming the society in question has reasonably equivalent rights/privileges for all its residents, smart and dumb alike: (smart means INT + WIS, not just INT, but dumb means low INT and WIS, as well as people of all stats severely misinformed who are not willing to change e.g. drunk drivers in denial who might be smart in other things)
You can lead an idiot to education and information but you ultimately can not make him learn. breaking down some of the granularities:
1. Reward based learning - if the moron values his own mental laziness over the effort to learn said lesson, the moron will never incentive the education, and there never really learn what’s going on, regardless of the prize at the end. Even with a sweeter prize than his own laziness, it’s very easy to imitate the lesson without comprehending its full meaning just for the reward, a lot of animals also do this.
2. Penalties based on ignorance - this is more effective, but regardless of the penalty, the problems are that the correct lesson may not be learned due to blame shifting and other human psychological flaws, and there is what I call a innocent victim tax. Some idiot being socially shamed for being a moron on their FB from their friends will simply unfriend them and call them assholes, not reflect on their own shitty behaviour. And a non-trivial subset of actions taken by dumb people can hurt people who did nothing wrong. See: Mustangs at Cars and Coffee. The cultural mindset of “you do you boo” and “nobody but God can judge me” and other self-reliant overgeneralizations, allows idiots to ignore the message. Pre-Cog-Phil-Dick style punishment can confuse the moron because in their minds they will never connect the pre-action with the consequence without completely disproportionate effort, which means unsustainable to apply to morons at scale. And by the time you jail the drunk driver convicted of manslaughter, your 12 year old cousin who got hit has already died in the ICU.
3. complete segregation - you take all the idiots, give them less privileges, and separate them from the body of society that seems to function ok with the information at hand. This is from a human rights perspective a complete nightmare, and will always either wind up in economic disparity with the body politic at large, or that society would have to be funded from outside of its own system regularly to maintain parity with functioning society. Not to mention how many people Dunning-Kruger already or have friends/family who are willing to subvert the system in order to not isolate these people. Prison is already a lot like this, as well, and obviously most prison systems are kind of fucked up, and idiocy and criminality aren’t directly linked.
4. Eugenics - well, the flaws with this are the same arguments that execution has - if you’re wrong and we don’t have the complete info, you’ve basically murdered or castrated someone who didn’t deserve it. And the people who don’t care about that tend to change their tune once they’re the ones facing the needle. The key metrics for euthanizations are also super super nebulous because people don’t understand yet how to even measure intelligence properly, much less how to predict one’s potential for ignorant behaviour that will hurt themselves or someone else in the future.
5. This isn’t technically education, but you can take away the situation completely. Automate around it, let people act however they are going to act, and prevent that choice from ever being made. See: nanny state, muh freedoms. This also penalizes anyone who CAN make the correct choice without a way to accurately reward ability with extra privilege, and is the most efficient since we’re all sometimes stupid, but from what I have seen the least psychologically tolerable outside of prison or death.
I have found that you ultimately can’t make people care without threatening them with losing something they also care about prior to the damage, but coercion breeds distrust and resentment, not cooperation. The current strategy for most teachers who still give a shit is to connect what they SHOULD care about to something they already care about, but anyone who basically gives 0 fucks is immune to this, and therefore we continue see those problems.
Educating the brainless masses will be way more effective if you can get people to care about what they need to learn. We don’t have the resources to psychologically craft every lesson to hit them at their core and make it matter to them. More powerful computers may help here, more knowledge about neuroscience and psychology may help here. We may see a shift in strategies for these things assuming all proper education doesn’t die in the next 100 years.
If you can’t make them care, if you can’t prevent them from penalizing other people with their mistakes, if you can’t prioritize the education in a way that makes it important to them, they’ll never learn how to turn their lights on. Suspending a driver’s license, just makes the moron drive without one until they go to jail. I’ve been at driving classes to cancel tickets and people with suspended licenses just drove there, no fucks given.
My proposal? Short term, the automation and nannying is necessary simply not to penalize the rest of society for moronic behaviour, since so many of us are keen on doing it whether we actually want to or not. Long term, my hope is with computers and more knowledge about how people work and how to patch update the human psych bugs without impinging on freedoms the average human base grows in sensibility and userbase. It’s a long shot and a huge effort, though, without things like mind-reading, reducing stigma to mental illnesses, having better accuracy at identifying and treating mental defects, eliminating dunning kruger altogether, and smoothing out the hungry hungry hippos attitude so many people have to getting what they want out of their own lives and their own tribe. I am hoping it’s iterated slowly over time, with a few micro-revolutions in how idiocy should fundamentally be in the DSM as a mental illness and treated as such.
The real answer, I have found, is almost never simple.
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