by "ttyymmnn" (ttyymmnn)
Published 09/28/2017 at 14:41
by "ttyymmnn" (ttyymmnn)
Published 09/28/2017 at 14:41
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Oh, yeah, dis gon be good.
Those numbers at the top are soundtrack cue numbers. “1" indicates reel one (this dates back to when movies came on film and had to be broken up on separate 1,000-foot long reels; today, digital movies are broken into separate “reels” of any arbitrary length). “M” stands for music (as opposed to sound) , and the third character is just a chronological order of the cues. So this is the very start of the movie: Reel 1, Music, Cues 2-4. Don’t ask me what happened to 1M1. That is probably just the 20th Century Fox fanfare, which is not numbered in this fashion in this score.
"Maxima Speed" (maximaspeed)
09/28/2017 at 14:52, STARS: 1
I’m panting and salivating right now.
"Chan - Mid-engine with cabin fever" (superchan7)
09/28/2017 at 14:52, STARS: 0
Is that the original score? Seems like for the actual movie they tuned it down to Bb instead of C.
"Chariotoflove" (chariotoflove)
09/28/2017 at 14:57, STARS: 0
As a kid, I fantasized about playing this score. This would be a dream come true.
"ttyymmnn" (ttyymmnn)
09/28/2017 at 15:00, STARS: 1
It’s the actual score, at original pitch, written for trumpet in B-flat. The B-flat trumpet sounds a major second (whole step or whole tone) lower, so the music is written a major second higher. If I play this on a C trumpet, which sounds a major second higher than B-flat (or at concert pitch), I will transpose, and play a major second lower than what is written.
In a nutshell: If the orchestra is playing an A, I would have to play a B on a B-flat trumpet to match it. If the orchestra is playing an A, I would play an A on a C trumpet.
It’s all a bit confusing, even to music majors. In very broad terms, the B-flat trumpet is more widespread, and is more often played by orchestras in Europe. The C trumpet is more widespread in American orchestras (again, major generalization). So the parts are written for B-flat trumpet because of its ubiquity, and people who want to play on C trumpet just have to transpose. It’s what we do.
"McMike" (mcmike)
09/28/2017 at 15:01, STARS: 0
I play guitar, what are those funny pages for?
"ttyymmnn" (ttyymmnn)
09/28/2017 at 15:01, STARS: 0
So did I, and it is. I just flipped through the score. Every motive and melody is recognizable. I think most of us would be able to play this score in our sleep, we all know the music so well. It’s going to be a blast. Literally and figuratively.
"ttyymmnn" (ttyymmnn)
09/28/2017 at 15:02, STARS: 0
Those are called “notes.” We can only play one at a time, though. Just don’t ask me to read guitar tabs.
"Chan - Mid-engine with cabin fever" (superchan7)
09/28/2017 at 15:08, STARS: 1
Mind blown!
Coming from piano and string instruments, I didn’t realise that winds have this need to transpose.
"Daily Drives a Dragon - One Last Lap" (ddadragon)
09/28/2017 at 15:14, STARS: 0
I love that soundtrack. Its perfect
"ttyymmnn" (ttyymmnn)
09/28/2017 at 15:25, STARS: 0
I had the two-LP set back in 1977. I listened to it over and over and over and over again.
"RallyWrench" (rndlitebmw)
09/28/2017 at 15:30, STARS: 0
I’ve only ever read drum charts, but bars two and three look like a bitch.
"ttyymmnn" (ttyymmnn)
09/28/2017 at 15:34, STARS: 2
Only certain instruments transpose, others don’t. All strings are written at sounding pitch, though the double basses are written an octave higher than they sound. Most woodwinds are written at pitch, the exceptions being the English horn (written a perfect 5th higher), and B-flat clarinet (same as B-flat trumpet) and the A clarinet (written a minor 3rd higher). As for the brass, the French horns are the same transposition as the English horn, but the trombones and tuba do not transpose. Trumpets can come in A, B-flat, C, D, E-flat, E and F. That is a tradition that dates back to the days when trumpets didn’t have valves and you had to play trumpets pitched in the key of the piece.
And, to further confuse matters, the English horn is not English and the French is not French. The term English horn comes from the French cor anglais , which really means “angled horn” but was mistranslated as English (which is really anglaise ) back in musical antiquity. The French horn is really German. Back in the day, they were indicated as F Horn on the conductor’s score (and still are) to indicate their pitch, and people thought F meant French.
"ttyymmnn" (ttyymmnn)
09/28/2017 at 15:34, STARS: 1
It’s not too bad. There are other parts that are much harder. The challenge will be not chipping one of those notes.
"Chan - Mid-engine with cabin fever" (superchan7)
09/28/2017 at 15:37, STARS: 3
The bit about the horns is hilarious.
"ttyymmnn" (ttyymmnn)
09/28/2017 at 15:39, STARS: 0
That little bit of musical trivia and $3 will get you a cup of coffee at Starbucks.
"Chariotoflove" (chariotoflove)
09/28/2017 at 15:53, STARS: 0
How much money would I need to bribe someone to let me play one of the trombone parts?
"Chan - Mid-engine with cabin fever" (superchan7)
09/28/2017 at 15:55, STARS: 1
Thanks, but I’m on “cool car basis,” a variation of first-name basis, at a coffee shop near my work. It occasionally gets me one on the house.
...one coffee, that is.
"FTTOHG Has Moved to https://opposite-lock.com" (alphaass)
09/28/2017 at 16:45, STARS: 0
I’m assuming this is for work? If so, where/when will you be playing. I’d drive up to Austin to catch this.
"notsomethingstructural" (notsomethingstructural)
09/28/2017 at 17:19, STARS: 1
That’s pretty sweet. I played trumpet all through high school. Our music program was extremely, extremely good for a public school. As in, we had multiple people who played in professional stage orchestras at 16, and multiple people who went on to do multiple degrees in music and play as pro studio musicians or are music directors for at their own schools now. Our graduating year wasn’t the best squad comparatively but it was cool to be around people who pushed you like that.
I’d like to think I could still play this (aside from the 1/32nds), is what I’m saying, and also that I am extremely jealous.
"ttyymmnn" (ttyymmnn)
09/28/2017 at 17:33, STARS: 0
Where was the school?
Also, it’s never too late to start again.
"ttyymmnn" (ttyymmnn)
09/28/2017 at 17:34, STARS: 0
I play with the Austin Symphony. Shows are October 11 and 12 at the Long Center. No idea if tix are still available. They might be expensive too. Not to dissuade you, it would be cool to have another Opponaut there.
"ttyymmnn" (ttyymmnn)
09/28/2017 at 17:35, STARS: 0
Pay for the gig will be about $600. So, about $600.
"FTTOHG Has Moved to https://opposite-lock.com" (alphaass)
09/28/2017 at 18:01, STARS: 0
Thanks! Looks like there are still tickets, but those dates are probably too close to plan for a weeknight - I’d need to leave SA by 4 to safely get there by 7:30 with traffic and that means leaving work early which can’t always happen without advanced planning. I am highly intrigued by Jurassic Park in February, however.
"ttyymmnn" (ttyymmnn)
09/28/2017 at 18:04, STARS: 1
That show is part of the ASO pops series, so that show will be on a Friday. Tix might be a bit cheaper, too, since it isn’t being put on by the Long Center. We did Harry Potter last week, and if these movie concerts sell well we will likely be doing all the HP movies and all the SW movies. That will be fun.
"Urambo Tauro" (urambotauro)
09/28/2017 at 18:11, STARS: 2
First soundtrack I ever bought. Still one of the best.
"ttyymmnn" (ttyymmnn)
09/28/2017 at 18:18, STARS: 1
I often wonder what would have happened to that movie if the soundtrack hadn’t been so good. The quality of the music added mightily to its success.
"Urambo Tauro" (urambotauro)
09/28/2017 at 18:21, STARS: 0
Funny, I’ve been wondering the exact same thing, but about Jurassic Park.
"Chariotoflove" (chariotoflove)
09/28/2017 at 18:40, STARS: 1
Digging in couch cushions. brb
"Chariotoflove" (chariotoflove)
09/28/2017 at 18:46, STARS: 0
What I find even funnier is the English horn isn’t really a horn in the way we usually use the word. It’s more like a super sized oboe.
"Chariotoflove" (chariotoflove)
09/28/2017 at 18:47, STARS: 1
Same here.
"Chariotoflove" (chariotoflove)
09/28/2017 at 19:01, STARS: 0
This interests me. Being a trombonist and an amateur, I never had to deal with this. It seems to me one would write in concert pitch and assume the musicians would use the proper tool for the job. But, you’re saying they write for the most common instrument and transpose the music for that. Huh.
"ttyymmnn" (ttyymmnn)
09/28/2017 at 19:12, STARS: 1
These instruments actually date back to the earliest of medieval instruments, which were made from animal horns. Hence the name. Later they were made from wood. The ancestors of the oboe are the shawm and the crumhorn . The shawm had a double reed, while the double reed on the crumhorn was encapsulated.
"notsomethingstructural" (notsomethingstructural)
09/28/2017 at 19:31, STARS: 1
Misstate Connecticut. And not the rich parts of midstate.
"ttyymmnn" (ttyymmnn)
09/28/2017 at 19:38, STARS: 1
Okay, I’m going to drop a wall of text on you. Go pour yourself a brandy, or pop some popcorn. There will be a test tomorrow.
I’m not sure how the B-flat (Bb) trumpet came to be more or less the standard instrument. Most, if not all, traditional band music was written for the Bb cornet or trumpet. Students all begin on the Bb, and usually don’t take up their first C until college, if at all, because the C is more of an orchestral instrument and, if you become a band director, you may never need to play one. Many contemporary composers write for C trumpet, but I think that’s because they are too lazy to transpose for Bb, even though the composition software will do it at the touch of a button. It also means they have to think harder.
When a professional player gets a part in Bb, they will choose whichever instrument it plays better on. For example, if I get a piece for Bb trumpet that has 5 sharps in the key, I’ll probably play it on C because I get to take away two sharps when I read down a step. With practice, it’s really no different than reading the actual written note. In other cases, you might want the brighter sound of the C trumpet. It’s rather rare to take a C part and read it up a step on Bb, but British orchestras do that all the time because the Bb horn is more standard in orchestras across the pond. When somebody asks me what key I want my trumpet part in, I just tell them to give me what they have and I’ll make it work.
Things get more interesting when we transpose to higher keys like Eb, E or F trumpet. These parts are most often found in symphonies of the Romantic period like Mahler, R. Strauss or Bruckner, but they also come up in Beethoven and other Classical era composers (Beethoven 3 is in Eb). For F trumpet parts, when playing a C trumpet, we read up a perfect 4th (P4) from what is written (if you’re playing Bb trumpet, you have to read up a P5). So if I see a printed C, I have to play an F above it. E and Eb trumpet are a M3 or m3 higher, but for those you can just change the clef in your head from treble clef to bass clef. So a written C would become an E or Eb, which is the third space on the bass clef staff. Sometimes, particularly in French music, we’ll get trumpet in A, which means you have to read down a m3 from what’s printed, or down a half step on Bb trumpet. My teacher would read parts in all kinds of different clefs–soprano clef, mezzo soprano clef—rather than read up or down an interval. This is an older practice, though, and most people read intervals today.
But this will really warp your brain. When we play piccolo trumpet (Bach, Haydn, other Baroque stuff), we are usually playing a piccolo trumpet pitched in A. The music is written for trumpet in D, which means it’s written with no sharps or flats and appears in the key of C, but if you played the music as written on a D trumpet it would sound in D. But we’re playing an A trumpet, which is a 4th lower than D, so we have to take a part for D trumpet that is written in C and read it up a fourth in the key of F (one flat). Got it?
It all sounds terribly confusing, and transposition is one of the biggest hurdles for many young musicians. Trumpet players get very, very good at it because it is part of what we do. And at the end of the day, we are basically playing by ear anyway, with the music as more of a guide. You just don’t think about it any more.
"Chariotoflove" (chariotoflove)
09/28/2017 at 20:32, STARS: 1
And here I was proud of myself for reading in bass, tenor, and alto clefs, because we would sometimes get those in orchestral parts. Thank you for reaffirming my decision to not play trumpet back in sixth grade. Very cool stuff, though.
Think I’ll go get that brandy now.
"Chariotoflove" (chariotoflove)
09/28/2017 at 20:37, STARS: 0
I remember when we played Russian Christmas Music in high school (my favorite band piece), there was an English born solo that we did in tenor sax instead because no one had an English horn at the time. When we played it in college was the first time I heard it played on the proper instrument. The plaintive tone of the English horn was amazing. It made all the difference.
"ttyymmnn" (ttyymmnn)
09/28/2017 at 22:07, STARS: 1
Ballet Austin just performed Romeo and Juliet by Sergei Prokofiev. Unfortunately, we used a reduced orchestra so the company could save money. Prokofiev wrote for a tenor saxophone, which he often did, but they didn’t hire one. Instead, the sax parts were covered by horn, bassoon or trombone. It’s just not the same. The audience wouldn’t have known, but it’s still unfortunate.
"Chariotoflove" (chariotoflove)
09/28/2017 at 22:47, STARS: 0
That’s a shame. It’s not like they couldn’t have found one.
"ttyymmnn" (ttyymmnn)
09/28/2017 at 22:49, STARS: 0
They had to hire two mandolins instead. Actually, they hired one, and then one of the violin players played the other. And got doubling pay for it, which was cheaper than hiring a second mandolin player.
"Chariotoflove" (chariotoflove)
09/28/2017 at 23:02, STARS: 1
Cool. I would guess it’s not often that the mandolin sideline pays off for him/her.
"KusabiSensei - Captain of the Toronto Maple Leafs" (kusabisensei)
09/29/2017 at 20:11, STARS: 0
I’m assuming there is a reduction score somewhere...
"ttyymmnn" (ttyymmnn)
09/29/2017 at 22:05, STARS: 0
Probably somewhere, but this is the real deal.