by "Carbon Fiber Sasquatch" (turbopumpkin)
Published 09/22/2017 at 15:10
by "Carbon Fiber Sasquatch" (turbopumpkin)
Published 09/22/2017 at 15:10
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On one of the message boards of the news of Hyundai buying Chrysler/dodge /jeep /ram someone remarked that FCA is just as reliable as Hyundai.
I almost spat out my coffee, I drive a 12 year old Hyundai and while I don’t think it’s Toyota or Honda quality, I’d put it above a GM or Ford of equivalent age.
Is Hyundai quality a problem? I’ve never heard about anything making them below average.
"CB" (jrcb)
09/22/2017 at 15:13, STARS: 0
We had to have a cracked part of our A/C unit fixed (used car, so it happens), but other than that, nothing major. I wouldn’t say an FCA vehicle is as reliable as a Hyundai from everything I’ve heard.
"djmt1" (djmt1)
09/22/2017 at 15:14, STARS: 6
The only company FCA is just as reliable as is Land Rover.
"HammerheadFistpunch" (hammerheadfistpunch)
09/22/2017 at 15:19, STARS: 1
I don’t think build quality has been an issue but they are learning how to build top tier cars on an accelerated pace, which means that each new generation represents large leaps in quality engineering and materials. Case in point an early 90's Hyundai was kinda crap, an early 2000's Hyundai was like earl 90's GM...reliable but mediocre. Current models are probably getting right up there to the top of the pack but historical analysis of their product is tough because its changed so rapidly.
"Chariotoflove" (chariotoflove)
09/22/2017 at 15:20, STARS: 0
According to Consumer Reports, this year Hyundai is better than Honda and waaaay better than FCA, but not as good as Toyota.
"WilliamsSW" (williamssw)
09/22/2017 at 15:20, STARS: 1
Go look at Consumer Reports’ ratings. I think it improved this year, but last year, the very *best* FCA product was rated as ‘average’. 90% of their vehicles were below average.
What djmt1 said is right. JLR is the only major auto manufacturer in the same league as FCA.
"Sweet Trav" (thespunbearing)
09/22/2017 at 15:22, STARS: 5
I would say that it is mostly a materials thing with hoondai. Thin metal, bad corrosion resistance, and tendency to under engineer things.
"Klaus Schmoll" (klausschmoll)
09/22/2017 at 15:30, STARS: 1
Aren’t those consumer ratings pretty much garbage? As in a phone not pairing instantly via bluetooth, or the UI being a little dumb being equal to waiting for a tow truck?
"CaptDale - is secretly British" (captdale)
09/22/2017 at 15:36, STARS: 0
Well I frequently have 1-3 Sonatas and Santa Fes getting recall engines put in, but it takes 3-5 months to get a new engine.
"crowmolly" (crowmolly)
09/22/2017 at 15:40, STARS: 1
X2.
I know people who have driven nothing BUT Hyundai cars for years. None of them have ever really had reliability issues. It’s always been cost cutting stuff. Corrosion, interior parts breaking, funky light bulb retention, seats are not the most comfortable, etc.
"Arrivederci" (arrividerci)
09/22/2017 at 15:46, STARS: 1
From a quality standpoint, I’d take a Hyundai/Kia 10/10 times over FCA.
"Arrivederci" (arrividerci)
09/22/2017 at 15:46, STARS: 0
Just think what a sweet vanity plate that would make if Hyundai made a hoonable car.
HOONDAI
Gen Coupe doesn’t count.
"G_Body_Man: Sponsored by the number 3" (gbodyman)
09/22/2017 at 16:39, STARS: 0
I mean a Veloster Turbo would probably make a pretty fun Rallycross car.
"Jordan and the Slowrunner, Boomer Intensifies" (jordanwphillips)
09/22/2017 at 16:45, STARS: 0
Fun and Veloster are mutually exclusive terms.
"Jordan and the Slowrunner, Boomer Intensifies" (jordanwphillips)
09/22/2017 at 16:48, STARS: 0
Reliability is pretty decent other than the whole massive engine replacement recall, but their material quality is a bit behind. My Mom’s $43k Azera has flimsier interior materials than my Fiesta, and I’m not bragging about the Fiesta’s quality interior, because it’s not. It also has significantly more squeaks and rattles, while having less miles.
"G_Body_Man: Sponsored by the number 3" (gbodyman)
09/22/2017 at 17:01, STARS: 0
I mean the DCT is terrible, but the 6MT version seems like it could be enjoyable in a low-traction environment.
"cbell04" (cbell04)
09/22/2017 at 17:08, STARS: 0
My company van Ram Promaster is the worst thing I’ve ever experienced. Thousands and thousands of dollars in repairs. Left me stranded 4 times. Even on it’s best day I could pull it into a shop and rack up 3 grand. It’s a piece of junk FCA is bad.
"fhrblig" (fhrblig)
09/22/2017 at 17:12, STARS: 0
I’ve owned a Fiat 500 and a Kia Optima, and hadn’t had mechanical problems with either. I have had about the same number of annoying fit and finish issues with both. I would put my Optima’s interior quality as about on par with a 5 year old domestic car TBH. Also, the Fiat’s doors felt way more substantial and heavier than the Optima’s. The Optima’s doors feel like they are made of tinfoil.
"Bytemite" (bytemite)
09/22/2017 at 17:22, STARS: 0
Dude you haven’t even been in one. Just because you have a FiST and worship it doesn’t mean you need to doodoo on its competitor at every opportunity. The Abarth is fun, the fist is fun, the Vel is fun. In the end theyre just 3 little fwd hatchbacks with a small displacement turbo. Differences are minute. Your FiST isn’t some Lotus and the others aren’t a Sebring.
"Bytemite" (bytemite)
09/22/2017 at 17:25, STARS: 2
I would put Hyundai reliability at the very top of the pack for 2011+cars.
I’ve completely beat on the two Hoondais I had so far and they were flawless.
Check out De Barge’s Hyundai Elantra video. 200k mile car, flawless.
"Jordan and the Slowrunner, Boomer Intensifies" (jordanwphillips)
09/22/2017 at 17:40, STARS: 2
But I have lol, it’s not even close. It’s incredibly dull. One of my FiST friends had one before, and cringes that he thought it was good.
"Jordan and the Slowrunner, Boomer Intensifies" (jordanwphillips)
09/22/2017 at 17:42, STARS: 0
The 6-speed itself isn’t bad. Everything else is bad. I would put the driving experience on par with an Aveo, but imagine less steering feel and a little less roll. It’s just a bit faster, but made that way with a very unexciting engine.
"G_Body_Man: Sponsored by the number 3" (gbodyman)
09/22/2017 at 18:34, STARS: 1
Driving-wise, it’s really on-par with the previous gen Scion tC. Fairly decent engine, generic econo-car bones, not much separating the steering from an Xbox 360 wheel, and it looks more interesting than it really is.
"gmctavish needs more space" (gmctavish)
09/22/2017 at 18:35, STARS: 1
At my old job we had a fleet of Hyundai Accents and Toyota Yarii, and I’d say their reliability was on par. They all had issues, since they were beat on relentlessly by everyone but me and another couple drivers, but nothing super unusual. The most notable death of one of the ‘09 Accents was when the timing snapped, but that was because they didn’t change it when they should’ve. Actually, the oldest and most impressive car was an ‘06 or so Accent, with at least 450k kms on it
"Probenja" (probenja)
09/22/2017 at 19:24, STARS: 0
We have owned 4 Hyundai’s and while they were all extremly reliable and didn’t need much maintanence the quality still feels behind, it’s just not as nice as a Japanese or European car, Japanese cars are still more reliable/better engineered and European cars just feel nicer although less reliable.
I would actually compare current Korean cars with USDM cars, average reliability and engineering, at least in the entry-mid size segment.
"Carbon Fiber Sasquatch" (turbopumpkin)
09/22/2017 at 19:41, STARS: 0
I’ll give it that for sure, everything feels 80% thought out at best.
"Carbon Fiber Sasquatch" (turbopumpkin)
09/22/2017 at 19:44, STARS: 0
I have to agree there, they nailed reliability and costs but kinda B- on everything else. Nothing to be a deal breaker but definitely not the best
"ranwhenparked" (ranwhenparked)
09/22/2017 at 21:55, STARS: 1
They’ve improved a lot because, with those super long warranties they had to, it was either improve reliability or shell out a ton of cash in covered repairs.