by "XJDano" (xjdano)
Published 09/19/2017 at 08:20
by "XJDano" (xjdano)
Published 09/19/2017 at 08:20
Tags: PAX
STARS: 0
This is something I didn’t know about until last night. After we bought our van my wife’s sister also bought a van a few months later, its an Odyssey and they need tires.
I had to buy some tires this year also. But BIL was asking me about PAX and rims and stuff so I had to look it up.
Seems the best solution is order new wheels & tires as a set with TPMS already installed. The $600 investment is so you can get a better tire that’ll last twice as long. Depending on tire choice, PAX tires are rated for about 30k miles. If they would have researched a bit they may have not picked a Honda.
This is what I suggested to him last night. OK tire and a ok wheel that should look good with a black van.
Bummer dude.
"Echo51" (echo2047)
09/19/2017 at 08:28, STARS: 0
Ah yes, the pain of silly run-flat ideas..
"OpposResidentLexusGuy - USE20, XF20, XU30 and Press Cars" (jakeauern)
09/19/2017 at 08:28, STARS: 1
I hardly ever see a Touring Odyssey from those years without awful wheels because this darn PAX setup. People get completely blindsided by $1500 tires.
"asenna" (asenna)
09/19/2017 at 08:29, STARS: 3
You didn’t explain what the pax system was....
"AkursedX" (akursedx)
09/19/2017 at 08:29, STARS: 1
Run-Flat tires, not even once.
"XJDano" (xjdano)
09/19/2017 at 08:34, STARS: 0
It’s a run flat tire & wheel system that once you get a flat you can only go 50-100 miles. You better then find a Honda dealer so you can fork out $400 for a single tire. About $1500 for the set. And it’s a special tire.
There are a ton of YouTube dePAX videos.
"gogmorgo - rowing gears in a Grand Cherokee" (gogmorgo)
09/19/2017 at 08:36, STARS: 1
That’s a silly and ridiculous solution for a problem I don’t think should exist.
"diplodicus forgot his password" (diplodicusforgothispassword)
09/19/2017 at 08:40, STARS: 0
Why can’t you put a different tire on the same time?
"e36Jeff now drives a ZHP" (e36jeff)
09/19/2017 at 08:40, STARS: 0
to be fair, you can only go 50-100 miles on normal run flats as well. no commonly avaialble tire seems to be able to go farther than 100 miles on a flat
"XJDano" (xjdano)
09/19/2017 at 08:41, STARS: 0
Apparently PAX tires are special and costs money.
"TheTurbochargedSquirrel" (thatsquirrel)
09/19/2017 at 08:43, STARS: 0
The whole wheel and tire assembly is different to what you normally see so you have to put a PAX tire on a PAX rim.
"DipodomysDeserti" (dipodomysdeserti)
09/19/2017 at 08:55, STARS: 1
As someone who just had to replace runnflats on a BMW in the middle of a roadtrip near Afton, WY, this sounds like a bad idea.
"TysMagic" (twjeffery)
09/19/2017 at 09:24, STARS: 0
link for more:
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Michelin_PAX_System
"XJDano" (xjdano)
09/19/2017 at 09:40, STARS: 0
Bad idea is getting rid of run flats?
"SnoopDouggyDougg" (SnoopDouggyDougg)
09/19/2017 at 09:45, STARS: 0
College Hills Honda sells a complete depax kit. https://www.collegehillshonda.com/product/KIT4.html
"XJDano" (xjdano)
09/19/2017 at 09:49, STARS: 0
I would look into this. I think he wants to replace 2 at a time and save money between or something.
Also spare tire? I don’t know if he would even buy it. (Duh, I would). Not many people have $1500 to replace tires on hand.
"Tekamul" (tekamulburner)
09/19/2017 at 09:54, STARS: 0
All run flats are garbage, but PAX is particularly bad.
De-runflatting is a very common step. For the Odyssey, it’s not tough to find some OEM wheels from other manufacturers.
"XJDano" (xjdano)
09/19/2017 at 09:56, STARS: 0
50 miles is a long way if you are in the city. But on a road trip you may Be screwed.
Most of their travels are in the city so it wouldn’t be a big deal. He is wanting to sePAX I think for longer tire wear.
"XJDano" (xjdano)
09/19/2017 at 09:59, STARS: 0
I feel like as the car guy in the family I will be guiding him through this process. He is a cheap ass so whatever he can find and get used he likely will.
If it were me I’d just start from scratch and get rid of the PAX set. It’s not worth much because no one wants them.
"e36Jeff now drives a ZHP" (e36jeff)
09/19/2017 at 10:03, STARS: 1
That is part of the reason I just carry a patch kit. If I get a flat I just pull the tire off, patch it and put it back on. I’ve managed to fix all but one flat this way.
And I gave a NJ state trooper a story that probably nobody will believe. He pulled up behind me as I was pulling off with a flat and put his lights on to keep traffic away from me on the NJTP. I pulled the tire off, patched it, reinflated it, then put it back on the car in under 5 minutes. Unfortunately for that tire, while the patch held just fine, the belt slipped because I didn’t recognize the flat fast enough so I ended up having to replace it anyway because it developed a large blister in the sidewall.
"Tekamul" (tekamulburner)
09/19/2017 at 10:06, STARS: 0
True, they are essentially worthless. They’ve become one of those bad idea footnotes in automotive history.
"rillweid - Now with more TRD and less TDI" (rillweid)
09/19/2017 at 10:08, STARS: 0
We have this. Dumbest thing ever.
"XJDano" (xjdano)
09/19/2017 at 10:08, STARS: 0
I had a front hub bearing separate because I don’t think I torqued it enough and I didn’t lock it in with a cotter pin, but as I had this happen before I had a spare, swapped it out on road side. Same situation sort of, but took only about 44 minutes.
That’s about when I lost interest and quit driving it.
"XJDano" (xjdano)
09/19/2017 at 10:12, STARS: 0
Yeah and now their “newer van” is a pain in the ass. They were driving an 05 silhouette before that has head gasket issues. Sort of a step up, but this tire thing is a step back.
I wasn’t going to research vans for them.
"e36Jeff now drives a ZHP" (e36jeff)
09/19/2017 at 10:32, STARS: 1
yeah, my best road-side repair job was bolting a drive axle back onto the diff because I’d forgotten to torque down the bolts after removing it to replace the rear wheel bearing. of course it was the drivers side that I had to work on. You could only access the bolts when the hole they went in was spun to TDC and you needed 3' of extensions to get to it, so I had to line up the bolt while cars drove 2' behind me at 50mph. Then once I got that bolt in, get up disengage the parking brake, spin the wheel 60 degrees, re-engage the parking brake and repeat. only 6 bolts in total, but I never want to do that again.
I don’t mind doing a tire because for the most part you can keep an eye on traffic while you are doing it, but those bolts, you couldn’t tighten them down and watch traffic at the same time. And I swear a few of those cars were trying to see how close they could get to me without hitting me.
"DipodomysDeserti" (dipodomysdeserti)
09/19/2017 at 11:02, STARS: 2
No, bad idea on Honda for puttin propietary run flats on a car.
"merged-5876237249235911857-hrw8uc" (merged-5876237249235911857-hrw8uc)
09/19/2017 at 11:23, STARS: 0
I think the wheels are 17.5" inch diameter or some BS to lock you into their tires.
"merged-5876237249235911857-hrw8uc" (merged-5876237249235911857-hrw8uc)
09/19/2017 at 11:36, STARS: 0
Any discount tire shops near you? That’s who I use for my tire purchases. They will also match tire rack prices.