by "Jcarr" (jcarr)
Published 09/12/2017 at 13:50
by "Jcarr" (jcarr)
Published 09/12/2017 at 13:50
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"Chariotoflove" (chariotoflove)
09/12/2017 at 14:01, STARS: 8
So, is C&D trying to up it’s hip factor to mix it with the blogger crowd? Because if so, they shouldn’t. There is journalism, and there are blogs. Jalopnik and its Gawker brethren are blogs, and are written as such. A print periodical really shouldn’t sling around the expletives and in your face judgementalism that you find on much of the FP.
"RamblinRover Luxury-Yacht" (ramblininexile)
09/12/2017 at 14:03, STARS: 2
"404 - User No Longer Available" (toni-cipriani)
09/12/2017 at 14:06, STARS: 0
I thought Fancy Kristen came from Road and Track?
"Chariotoflove" (chariotoflove)
09/12/2017 at 14:10, STARS: 2
I wasn’t paying attention. Isn’t she a little young to have come from anywhere previous except the yearbook staff?
"Highlander-Datsuns are Forever" (jamesbowland)
09/12/2017 at 14:11, STARS: 3
I’m sorry apparently someone has a subscription to a print magazine?
"Berang" (berang)
09/12/2017 at 14:18, STARS: 3
Car and Driver was snarky and crude for decades before lazy-ass bloggers on the internet even had pubes.
"Berang" (berang)
09/12/2017 at 14:18, STARS: 2
I call BULLSH!
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"Chariotoflove" (chariotoflove)
09/12/2017 at 14:20, STARS: 0
Were they? I don’t remember them being crude much, but then I never had a subscription. I only read their articles through topic-specific web searches.
"404 - User No Longer Available" (toni-cipriani)
09/12/2017 at 14:21, STARS: 0
I don’t know... that’s what her Twitter says. Asians tend to look younger, I guess, lol. I still get ID’ed at the liquor store even though I’m well past my 30s...
"Jcarr" (jcarr)
09/12/2017 at 14:22, STARS: 4
That would be me. Love my Car and Driver.
"Jcarr" (jcarr)
09/12/2017 at 14:23, STARS: 1
Apparently you’re not familiar with Car and Driver. They’ve always been this way.
"Berang" (berang)
09/12/2017 at 14:23, STARS: 0
Yes. And they’ve published worse/stranger things than the word bullshit. I particularly remember angry letters about an article that included the phrase “muscle car mating season” and a reference to ky jelly... in the 90s.
"Chariotoflove" (chariotoflove)
09/12/2017 at 14:25, STARS: 0
Asians do tend to look younger. They don’t gray as readily, and the men often don’t grow facial hair as much.
Anyway, I must just be showing my age. Believe Twitter over anything I say, that’s for sure.
"Chariotoflove" (chariotoflove)
09/12/2017 at 14:28, STARS: 0
Yeah? I didn’t notice. Then again, I only read their articles when a web search leads me to them. I don’t have any subscription.
But I don’t think professional journalists should be crude and snarky as a general matter of course. Snark should be used sparingly in print articles. There are other ways to be hip and interesting.
"Chariotoflove" (chariotoflove)
09/12/2017 at 14:29, STARS: 0
Maybe they should be sold from behind the counter with a black cover on the front? :)
"404 - User No Longer Available" (toni-cipriani)
09/12/2017 at 14:33, STARS: 0
Yeah, I know... I look like a friggin catfish if I don’t shave lol.
"Party-vi" (party-vi)
09/12/2017 at 14:34, STARS: 2
Surprised that list didn’t include “taking my Geritol” and “tennis balls falling off my walker”.
"SpeedSix" (speedsix)
09/12/2017 at 14:36, STARS: 0
Online C&D and R&T seem to be very different from print C&D and R&T - the online versions came across as almost clickbaity, with little actual journalism aside from guest features (Lehto, Mr. Regular, etc.).
And yes, Kristen did come from R&T, back when I did occasionally browse it. She did most of the clickbaity stuff, as what I’d presume a low-level staffer had to do, so I didn’t have my hopes high for her stuff here. She has settled into a groove here though.
"farscythe - makin da cawfee!" (farscythe)
09/12/2017 at 14:39, STARS: 0
yeah... i never noticed any profanity round here.... but i am banned from answering the phones at work for some reason
"My bird IS the word" (mybirdistheword)
09/12/2017 at 14:39, STARS: 2
Snark and criticism are substitutes for interesting writing or good journalism.
Hence why I am a snarky asshole.
"SpeedSix" (speedsix)
09/12/2017 at 14:39, STARS: 0
I’d be curious to see the reception to me at a liquor store. I’ve been legal for just about a year (Ontario), but I haven’t gone before (not a drinker, really), and I’m a particuarly young-looking person of Asian descent.
I did recently have a gas station clerk express disbelief that I was driving, though I got my license quickly.
"SpeedSix" (speedsix)
09/12/2017 at 14:40, STARS: 0
Hemmings Sports & Exotic Car was the only one I considered a print subscription to, but they discontinued it before I could. RIP.
"Chariotoflove" (chariotoflove)
09/12/2017 at 14:40, STARS: 1
Whatever get the clicks, I suppose. :)
"Chariotoflove" (chariotoflove)
09/12/2017 at 14:43, STARS: 0
I think she writes pretty well. She does have an extra dose of attitude, but that fits in well with Jalopnik. I guess to me attitude seems less warranted in young people as I get older, but as long as its not mean, I’m okay.
"Chariotoflove" (chariotoflove)
09/12/2017 at 14:45, STARS: 1
I have spent a lot of my adult life working with asians, mostly Chinese (both ABC and FOTB), and I think I can judge age pretty well, but the average American will likely underestimate.
"Chariotoflove" (chariotoflove)
09/12/2017 at 14:46, STARS: 0
Haha! That’s kind of accurate for lots of my friends, but I wouldn’t have put it that way myself.
"SpeedSix" (speedsix)
09/12/2017 at 14:54, STARS: 1
I meant that I appreciate her writing here, since she can write as herself , instead of doing the clickbait that gets foisted onto her workload.
"Chariotoflove" (chariotoflove)
09/12/2017 at 14:56, STARS: 0
Yes, that does make for better writing.
"functionoverfashion" (functionoverfashion)
09/12/2017 at 14:57, STARS: 0
... kids on my lawn, etc...
"Xyl0c41n3" (i-am-xyl0c41n3)
09/12/2017 at 15:23, STARS: 1
We shouldn’t be crude and snarky? Damn. I’ve been doing it wrong for over a decade then.
(Disclaimer: I’m not actually crude or snarky in my actual work, but I also don’t work for as laissez-faire, free-wheeling a place as Jalopnik).
"FTTOHG Has Moved to https://opposite-lock.com" (alphaass)
09/12/2017 at 15:27, STARS: 2
I’ve had a C&D subscription since 1999. They’ve always been snarky in the letters to the editor, one of the columns, and one or two articles an issue. It’s a schtick, but it’s also a way to mix it up along with more serious journalism and make reading cover-to-cover less tiring. On occasion it has been used to do the kind of absolutely scathing reviews of cars they didn’t like without outright calling them bad - the kind of thing that other auto magazines shy away from becuase they are afraid of not getting another press car from the automaker again (see John Phillips’ Escalade EXT reveiw, March 2002 - “There are lots of things on which you could spend $49,990. This is one of them.”) Overall I’d say they use it sparingly, but it is part of who they are. It works best when you have the full issue in print. Maybe it’s a throwback to another time, but I think we’re passed the tipping point where you can really expect a stalwart like C&D to change.
"FTTOHG Has Moved to https://opposite-lock.com" (alphaass)
09/12/2017 at 15:30, STARS: 0
I’ll bite. I’ve had it since 1999. I wait until it expires each time and they let me renew it for under $20. I don’t anticipate it’s arrival each month or read it cover-to-cover like I used to, but they consistently knock it out of the park with photography and looking at the glossy photos in print is still something I prefer enough to a computer screen to pay less than $2 a month for. Also it’s great to have in the bag when you get stuck on a flight without WiFi.
Now... all that being said I don’t give enough of a shit about what they write to ever be bothered to write a letter to the editor.
"Chariotoflove" (chariotoflove)
09/12/2017 at 15:31, STARS: 1
Balance is the important thing, then. If you’re gonna use snark, use it sparingly, I say.
"Chariotoflove" (chariotoflove)
09/12/2017 at 15:33, STARS: 1
as laissez-faire, free-wheeling a place as Jalopnik
Neither do most of us. Most work places put value on a measure of professionalism.
"FTTOHG Has Moved to https://opposite-lock.com" (alphaass)
09/12/2017 at 16:07, STARS: 0
I think she’s pretty much the best they have right now. He attitude is a lot more pointed than some of the others who do it for clickbait or just the sake of it and her satirical stuff actually works. I wouldn’t be surprised if she gets poached by one of the more traditional outlets in short order.
"FTTOHG Has Moved to https://opposite-lock.com" (alphaass)
09/12/2017 at 16:08, STARS: 0
Yes and to be fair, there might still be more snark than you’d like and you are free not subscribe or read. But I don’t think they’d have lasted this long if they were solely Jalopnik in print form.
"Chariotoflove" (chariotoflove)
09/12/2017 at 16:24, STARS: 1
Oh sure. One is always free to patronize or not.
"Chariotoflove" (chariotoflove)
09/12/2017 at 16:24, STARS: 0
She is pretty smart.
"feather-throttle-not-hair" (feather-throttle-not-hair)
09/12/2017 at 17:10, STARS: 0
They’ve always been that way. I had a subscription all through the 90's and early 2000's. They were all about splitting the difference between being entertaining and having a very strong emphasis on test methodology.
"WilliamsSW" (williamssw)
09/12/2017 at 17:19, STARS: 1
Been a subscriber forever, I think. Their letters to the editor amaze me - 90% of them are either people complaining about comparison rankings, trying to correct errors in the magazine, or just old men yelling at clouds. That’s been true for the last 30 years at least.
"Chariotoflove" (chariotoflove)
09/12/2017 at 17:26, STARS: 0
That’s what people are telling me, but what I see is some hip language that includes the occasional colorful colloquialism without serious snarkiness. For example, this article , while including a somewhat wisecracking tone, is nonetheless written fairly professionally.