by "daender" (daender)
Published 09/11/2017 at 17:47
by "daender" (daender)
Published 09/11/2017 at 17:47
Tags: f1
; Mercedes-Benz
; project one
STARS: 1
Or is this Mercedes’ way of bringing down F1 production costs by selling at least 275 copies of it to the wealthy and elite? If Mercedes hosts track days like McLaren with the P1 GTRs and Ferrari with their XX program, then the Silver Arrows team could gain a lot of valuable knowledge by letting dozens of drivers whip their cars around tracks, even if they’re not going beyond 50% of their performance potential. The AMG Project One seems to share its entire power plant with the F1 W07/W08 cars, including petrol motor, electrical motors, and possibly the transmission. This seems like an easy way to have Mercedes customers pay to test F1 cars for the AMG team!
Here’s a entire copy of the Formula One Testing rules-regulations taken directly from their own website :
What the sporting regulations say:
Teams are permitted to carry out no more than 15,000km of testing with a current car (or previous year’s car) in a single calendar year.
Article 10.9c of the 2017 FIA Sporting Regulations
Promotional events (of which each team is allowed two per season up to a maximum distance of 100km each) and demonstration events (of which each team is allowed two per season up to a maximum distance of 15km using demonstration tyres) do not count towards this tally.
Testing can only take place with one car per team at FIA-approved sites and cannot take place outside of Europe without the agreement of a majority of the teams.
Ahead of a session, teams must inform the governing body of their schedule so that an observer can be appointed if deemed necessary.
All cars must be fitted with the standardised, FIA-approved Electronic Control Unit and have successfully passed all FIA-mandated crash tests. Cars must also comply with all cockpit and safety equipment requirements during testing as they would at races; such as the position of the driver’s head, all headrest padding, cockpit padding and ease of driver egress.
Between February 1 and ten days before the first race of the season, the teams are permitted to take part in two team tests of no more than four days. One of the days during these three tests must be set aside for wet-weather tyre testing.
From 10 days before the start of the season to the end of the calendar year, the teams are permitted to take part in two team tests of no more than two consecutive days at circuits where an event has just taken place. These tests must commence no less than 36 hours after the end of said event.
Two days of each in-season test must be allocated to young driver training. A young driver is classified as someone who has competed two or fewer Grands Prix.
The FIA also reserves the right to organise up to 25 car days of testing on behalf of the official tyre provider for the sole purpose of tyre development.
All competitors must observe a factory shutdown period of 14 consecutive days in July and/or August, during which time their wind tunnels and Computational Fluid Dynamics (CFD) facilities must not be used for Formula One activities.
Wind tunnel testing is heavily restricted, both in terms of what kind of testing may be done and how long it may be done for. Scale models used may be no larger than 60 percent and speeds are limited to 50 metres per second.
Similar restrictions also apply to CFD simulation work.
When you have 10-20 customers at a track day each logging 100km to 200km in a single day that’s 1,000km to 2,000 in a single day, at least a fifteenth of the total allowable testing mileage allowed by the FIA!
Anyone else see some other F1 FIA loopholes getting abused by allowing such a radical car on the road?
"HammerheadFistpunch" (hammerheadfistpunch)
09/11/2017 at 17:55, STARS: 1
They sure aren’t making it because it makes financial sense to make it. I don’t think it saves them development money on the engineering side, on account of the car probably loosing money, but it could be a torture test for the engine as you suggest. Of course it could just because they wanted to.
"415s30 W123TSXWaggoIIIIIIo ( •_•))°)" (415s30)
09/11/2017 at 18:05, STARS: 0
That car shares nothing with their F1 car. If they built a secret test mule with a real car under there I don’t know.
"daender" (daender)
09/11/2017 at 18:08, STARS: 0
Not even the 1.6L V6 with the hybrid setup?
"415s30 W123TSXWaggoIIIIIIo ( •_•))°)" (415s30)
09/11/2017 at 18:14, STARS: 0
ALL F1 car parts are extremely low hour parts and everything on one is a consumable. Everything has a planned replacement for a certain number of miles or races etc... I’m sure they learned a lot from the F1 program when designing it but the materials and construction of F1 parts is NASA compared to road cars. I mean it takes a few guys to go out and run an F1 car just for exhibitions, computers etc... The car would cost many millions and you could hardly drive it before replacing everything, and you would need several people to run it.
"daender" (daender)
09/11/2017 at 18:29, STARS: 0
The car would cost many millions and you could hardly drive it before replacing everything, and you would need several people to run it.
You’re not wrong at all, but these customers will likely be people with more money than common sense. These will be driven maybe less than 200 miles a year at low speeds to car shows or Monaco. They’ll pay Mercedes more money on top of the purchase price to take care of maintenance and fly personnel out to tracks when they want to drive it hard. Ferrari has a clientele program where people pay large sums of money to drive old F1 cars ranging from the 60s to the 2000s. http://races.ferrari.com/en/corse-clienti/f1-clienti/
"Arch Duke Maxyenko, Shit Talk Extraordinaire" (arch-duke-maxyenko)
09/11/2017 at 19:48, STARS: 1
http://jalopnik.com/mercedes-will-give-you-a-street-legal-f1-engine-for-3-1793185285
"415s30 W123TSXWaggoIIIIIIo ( •_•))°)" (415s30)
09/11/2017 at 20:09, STARS: 0
A real F1 engine won’t go 31k mi. So I think it’s high performance but nothing close to what the team runs.
"gmporschenut also a fan of hondas" (gmporschenut)
09/11/2017 at 20:29, STARS: 1
Given the insane budgets the teams have i could see the “hey we’re going to loose 100mil on this.... but we may be able to speed development by 4 months” being justified.