by "HammerheadFistpunch" (hammerheadfistpunch)
Published 09/01/2017 at 16:26
by "HammerheadFistpunch" (hammerheadfistpunch)
Published 09/01/2017 at 16:26
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This just happened this week and the story gets crazier.
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Yeah. Crazy stuff. Plus the guy with a gun wandering around down the street from me right now.
Good times. TLDW?
Guy gets chased by police, drives into semi and explodes, semi driver is taken to a burn ward and police come looking for his blood (seriously) and are lawfully turned away by a nurse who is violently arrested.
"DipodomysDeserti" (dipodomysdeserti)
09/01/2017 at 16:32, STARS: 1
My sister is a nurse. I’d be extremely upset if this happened to her. Why was this cop so hard up to get a blood sample on the victim? My only guess is he was hoping to find anything so when his family sues the living bejeezus out them they can try to blame him.
That or he was just a crazy asshole.
"HammerheadFistpunch" (hammerheadfistpunch)
09/01/2017 at 16:37, STARS: 2
We can’t figure out why he needed the victims blood so bad but I can tell you that no good things are coming for that cop. People in my office have been in crisis mode because that hospital has docs and nurses from our health system working there as well.
"cmill189 - sans Volvo" (cmill189)
09/01/2017 at 16:43, STARS: 0
Utah be trying to shed its squeaky clean image.
"Chariotoflove" (chariotoflove)
09/01/2017 at 16:43, STARS: 4
When asked what she thinks should happen to Payne, Wubbels was reserved in her comments, only stating, “I think he needs some serious training.”
This lady is far more generous that I would be. I hope this detective gets far more for disciplinary action because his behavior goes beyond a mere misunderstanding of department policy. He displayed a startling lack of judgement and basic personal respect. I hope the police department realizes that it does not need the damage to its relationship with the community that sweeping this under the rug would cause.
"vondon302" (vondon302)
09/01/2017 at 16:46, STARS: 1
Wow crazy stuff there. Did the guy they were chasing intentionally drive into that trucker?
And screw that cop. I wouldn’t want to do their job but from what I’ve seen the best one’s descalate the situation not make it worse.
"Highlander-Datsuns are Forever" (jamesbowland)
09/01/2017 at 16:46, STARS: 7
I want to say something but I’m dumbfounded. What the actual fuck was that police officer thinking? If I was the nurse I’d lawyer up and sue the shit out of the police department.
"HammerheadFistpunch" (hammerheadfistpunch)
09/01/2017 at 16:47, STARS: 1
While I 100% agree, I admire her for not (at least right now) jumping on this as a means to win compensation. She deserves a some justice without question but Im still not convinced that monetary damages are the solution to problems like this.
"HammerheadFistpunch" (hammerheadfistpunch)
09/01/2017 at 16:47, STARS: 2
Well there is no question she would win. Bonus points for her being an olympic skier too.
"HammerheadFistpunch" (hammerheadfistpunch)
09/01/2017 at 16:49, STARS: 0
or something. You back in your office yet?
"Chariotoflove" (chariotoflove)
09/01/2017 at 16:52, STARS: 0
Right you are. I wasn’t even thinking of monetary gain. I was thinking of making enough noise to leverage the police to actually do something about it. But yeah, I guess a civil suit would be her only means through the legal system to actually do that. Wouldn’t it be nice if the police suspended that detective, gave him a reprimand, and issued a formal apology to her?
"HammerheadFistpunch" (hammerheadfistpunch)
09/01/2017 at 16:53, STARS: 1
here’s hoping.
"Camshaft Chris: Skyline/McLaren/Porsche Fanboy" (camshaft-chris)
09/01/2017 at 16:55, STARS: 0
According to an article I read somewhere else about this, there’s an old Utah law that requires blood samples be taken from a truck driver whenever a semi truck is involved in a fatal accident. BUT, the law was apparently taken off the books in the last decade, and the blood sample wouldn’t have been required for this accident anyways because of the obvious fault of the man fleeing police and the supporting video evidence of this for the police dash cams. So, either the detective doesn’t even know the laws in his own state, or he just didn’t care. Not good no matter which one it is.
"Chan - Mid-engine with cabin fever" (superchan7)
09/01/2017 at 16:56, STARS: 0
Let’s hope that public outrage is a swift and destructive tool in this case. The cops need to shut that behaviour down.
"cmill189 - sans Volvo" (cmill189)
09/01/2017 at 17:04, STARS: 0
Yep! Just got back.
"wkiernan" (wkiernan)
09/01/2017 at 17:11, STARS: 2
The cop who arrested the nurse was thinking, “The semi driver or his next of kin might sue and the police department might be found at least partly liable for this crash, because it came about in the course of a high-speed chase. However, if we can shove off some of the blame on the semi driver, either because he had alcohol or drugs in his system or because our corrupt-as-fuck testing lab fakes the results so it looks like he had alcohol or drugs in his system, then we’ll come out ahead.”
This makes perfect sense if your model of police behavior is “Us vs. them, and fuck them.”
"Trevor Slattery, ACTOR" (anacostiabikecompany)
09/01/2017 at 17:13, STARS: 0
I also think we should factor in that the accident was the result of a police chase, and their liability is showing it’s ass. They would really like the guy to be high on something. His statements to the nurse imply that this situation requires going further than he ever has, why?
"ttyymmnn" (ttyymmnn)
09/01/2017 at 17:16, STARS: 4
I’m pretty sure the only reason they wanted his blood is so they can deflect the blame for the high speed pursuit that led to the horrific accident. This was a classic case of contempt of cop, where the cop was convinced that nobody could stand in his way because he had a badge. Serious props to this nurse for standing up for her patient, and I hope that cop is unceremoniously fired for his unconstitutional actions.
"His Stigness" (HisStigness)
09/01/2017 at 17:22, STARS: 0
Gotta love the nightly lose for that critical bit of information.
"Svend" (svend)
09/01/2017 at 17:38, STARS: 1
The fact Officer Payne (the dipshit arresting officer) is also an ambulance driver. I don’t know about the U.S. but U.K. ambulance drivers are also trained ambulance officers and should know about protocols for drawing blood.
Porter said what is just as disturbing are comments caught on Payne’s body camera video while he was talking to another officer. Payne can be heard talking about his other job as an ambulance driver, and how Wubbels’ arrest might affect that.
“I’ll bring ‘em all the transients and take the good patients elsewhere,” he is heard saying about the hospital.
Seriously I know that each police force has bad apples but we seem to hear so many more from the U.S. than any other place for excessive force, needless shootings, fatal shooting for no reason what so ever, not knowing the law they are supposed to guard, etc... it’s like watching the wild west.
"Highlander-Datsuns are Forever" (jamesbowland)
09/01/2017 at 17:39, STARS: 1
It’s Utah, it is the wild west.
"gettingoldercarguy" (gettingoldercarguy)
09/01/2017 at 18:17, STARS: 0
Strip the officer/detective/whatever of all overtime pay for two years.
"EngineerWithTools" (engineerwithtools)
09/01/2017 at 18:22, STARS: 0
I hate to admit it, but this is exactly what I though: The police may be so eager to get the truck driver’s blood because they don’t want the reason for the crash to be “police chase”.
"Svend" (svend)
09/01/2017 at 18:32, STARS: 1
The fact he’s also an ambulance driver and not knowing protocols for blood drawing and the law as both an ambulance driver and a police officer . I’d personally discharge him from office.
I don’t think retraining would do anything for this power craving idiot.
I hope he loses his ambulance driver job at the very least.
"wafflesnfalafel" (wafflesnfalafel1)
09/01/2017 at 18:58, STARS: 0
WTF - sh!t like that is not supposed to happen in the US... That nurse really has no choice but to sue at this point. We must be missing some pieces of the puzzle.. that is crazy.
"HammerheadFistpunch" (hammerheadfistpunch)
09/01/2017 at 19:14, STARS: 0
Nah it’s all there... Other than why the cup thought could get away with it
"Berang" (berang)
09/01/2017 at 19:23, STARS: 2
Since when has a police department held somebody accountable for being grossly incompetent (except when they get sued and lose)?
"Chariotoflove" (chariotoflove)
09/01/2017 at 19:25, STARS: 0
I’m sure someone knows of it happening somewhere at some point in history?
"Berang" (berang)
09/01/2017 at 19:26, STARS: 0
What the hell? That guy had to have done that head-on on purpose. He’s not out of control, he just steers right for the truck.
also, yikes:
"TheDutchTexan" (TheDutchTexan)
09/01/2017 at 20:43, STARS: 0
I knew of the nurse incident. But this just makes 0 sense. The driver who ran did a suicide by semi, and nearly took the driver of said semi with him to hell. Just looking at it as an outsider I see no foul play on the truckers part... none...
"fintail" (fintail)
09/01/2017 at 21:22, STARS: 1
Nah, this is exactly what happens in a place with an ever more militarized and unaccountable praetorian sector. The most powerful union in the land is the collective police unions.
It happens in WA too, as in the case with the aggressive badge wearer vs speeding biker in Seattle.
"fintail" (fintail)
09/01/2017 at 21:23, STARS: 0
When you effectively can’t get fired, never have to answer for your actions, have the most powerful union in the world covering your back, and can retire relatively young with bennies most private sector workers can’t dream of, you only have to think so much.
"HammerheadFistpunch" (hammerheadfistpunch)
09/01/2017 at 21:33, STARS: 0
That’s the general feeling. Sucks for that driver
"wafflesnfalafel" (wafflesnfalafel1)
09/01/2017 at 21:48, STARS: 0
yeah... saw that Seattle biker situation... you are not making me feel any better...
"fintail" (fintail)
09/01/2017 at 22:17, STARS: 0
And then the SPD warrior who went after the old guy carrying a golf club, got canned, fought it via the union, and got 6 figures in back pay plus pension.
All of the so-called conservative union fighters won’t touch that union for some reason.
"Dusty Ventures" (dustyventures)
09/01/2017 at 23:53, STARS: 1
I’m just going to say it straight, that man should not be a police officer. This wasn’t just a fault in the training, he used threats and physical force to try to intimidate a woman
just doing her job
into giving him what he wanted. She showed him, in writing, that it was
LITERALLY ILLEGAL
for her to give him the blood and he still tried to force her to do it. That’s not someone who can be trusted to uphold the law. I also suspect he targeted her specifically, as opposed to any of the male staff members in the room, because he perceived her as the weakest and easiest to intimidate. And then there’s that bit about bringing the hospital transients and basically make things as difficult as possible for them because they wouldn’t give him the blood, that to me shows that he’s angry, vindictive, and more than willing to hold (and act upon) a grudge. I wouldn’t trust this man with my safety. I wouldn’t trust this man with my rights. Hell, I wouldn’t trust this man not to eat my ice cream if I turn my back. He gots to go.
"The Stig's Missourian Cousin" (zachelliott)
09/02/2017 at 10:11, STARS: 1
The theory i’ve seen is that the cops knew they fucked up by leading a dangerous police chase, then as soon as the perp hit and severely injured a civilian, they realized they fucked up more. So they were trying to find *something* in his blood to prove that it was the trucker’s fault and not the cops. Like if he had some prescription drugs or something in his system.
"DipodomysDeserti" (dipodomysdeserti)
09/02/2017 at 10:32, STARS: 0
Yeah, that’s what I’m thinking. They just fucked this whole thin up, didn’t they?
"NJAnon" (NJAnon)
09/02/2017 at 11:24, STARS: 0
Miscommunication. & also laziness on part of the police for not updating their own stuff. Which is pretty funny since law enforcement runs on statistics.
"LongbowMkII" (longbowmkii)
09/02/2017 at 17:56, STARS: 0
well, one of the most famous sheriffs in the US just got pardoned from a slap on the wrist and a justice system that turns a blind eye to crimes committed by police officers.
"Clutch" (markdscreenname)
09/02/2017 at 21:42, STARS: 0
Egregious abuse, something we must confront and deal with. These cases are appalling, but we should use them to highlight inequality in all its forms, as much as we should highlight Trumps contribution to broadcasting bigots’ views. I’m still kind of shocked that 25% of my fellow Americans agree with him. I hope many more rational Americans will vote next time....
"Clutch" (markdscreenname)
09/02/2017 at 22:13, STARS: 0
And btw, may I have posting privileges? I’m a nice guy who may embarrass myself occasionally but I mean no harm, really.
"HammerheadFistpunch" (hammerheadfistpunch)
09/03/2017 at 13:01, STARS: 1
I just found out about that ambulance driver bit. Thats low.
"Svend" (svend)
09/03/2017 at 14:43, STARS: 0
Sounds like someone who likes the uniform and likes the power of authority, a right Hooray Henry without the education.
Strip him of both and let him be known as a pleb.
"Scarlet60" (ben60)
09/05/2017 at 02:59, STARS: 0
oh this just gets better and better if you didn’t see this you might be interested Yep that’s right patient is a cop..Ribby Idaho police have a Facebook page. .....I quote from there page Rigby Police Chief Sam Tower on Friday thanked the Utah nurse and other hospital staffers for preventing Utah officers from obtaining a blood sample from 43-year-old William Gray, a Rigby reserve officer. From Rigby ID. Be sure to send you love to this policeman and his family who is U of U patient Let them know people care in about him.