by "My citroen won't start" (lucasboechat)
Published 08/28/2017 at 14:17
by "My citroen won't start" (lucasboechat)
Published 08/28/2017 at 14:17
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Now, this was not your ordinary Harley Noise Maker or SportsBike dude, this was one of São Paulo’s infamous “motoboys”, guys who use small bikes to deliver food, documents or whatever.
(pics are the finished result)
I was waiting at a set of lights when, out of nowhere, one of them tried to squeeze between me and the Volvo XC60 next to me at a high rate of speed, as the light had just turned green.
They bumped against the rear of the Volvo and ricocheted towards my car, scraping both driver side doors and quarter panels, and folding my mirror outwards.
Luckily my PDR guy managed to solve the problem in 2 hours.
"Arrivederci" (arrividerci)
08/28/2017 at 14:29, STARS: 6
(pics are the finished result)
Damn you - I was examining each pic for damage, coming away with the conclusion that I was either blind or you were OCD, hahaha.
"sm70- why not Duesenberg?" (sm70-whynotduesenberg)
08/28/2017 at 14:30, STARS: 0
Same
"My citroen won't start" (lucasboechat)
08/28/2017 at 14:41, STARS: 0
Shit sorry. Fixed.
"Arrivederci" (arrividerci)
08/28/2017 at 15:00, STARS: 1
Haha, it’s cool. I did seriously look at each of them a few times to try and see something - looks like your PDR guy did a great job!
"Chariotoflove" (chariotoflove)
08/28/2017 at 15:05, STARS: 1
Sounds like an argument against lane splitting to me.
"My citroen won't start" (lucasboechat)
08/28/2017 at 15:07, STARS: 1
Eh, I think lane splitting actually helps traffic flow, the problem is that lane splitting should always follow the conditions of the road. If there’s a traffic jam, the reference should no longer be the legal speed limit, but a safe speed instead and some people don’t get that.
"Chariotoflove" (chariotoflove)
08/28/2017 at 15:12, STARS: 0
It can help. The problem is that is depends on the judgement of the rider. I have seen way too many riders not exercising good judgement and endangering their safety as well as people’s property. Also, did this person stop and take responsibility for the damage to your car and have his or his employer’s insurance handle the cost? See, I don’t dislike lane splitting because it doesn’t work, but because it encourages so much risky and bad behavior.
"CRider" (crider)
08/28/2017 at 15:37, STARS: 0
Lane splitting isn’t risky behavior. If a drunk was driving his car down a highway and swerved into the car next to him, is that an argument against driving? Motorcycles are (usually) only about as wide as the riders shoulders. If you can’t walk between two cars sitting in traffic, either the cars are too close or the rider is going way too fast.
"Chariotoflove" (chariotoflove)
08/28/2017 at 15:50, STARS: 0
Cars are already very close. Squeezing a bike in between reduces the margin to avoid contact even further. The incident in this thread demonstrates what can happen because of that, and the rider is not well protected from injury if something goes wrong. That’s why I think lans splitting at speed is a bad idea. Sorry, that’s just how I feel based on what I’ve seen.
"Manwich - now Keto-Friendly" (manwich)
08/28/2017 at 16:20, STARS: 0
Geez... it must have been really bad if it also turned your car into VW.
That’s some evil black magic boogaloo shit happening right there.
"TheTurbochargedSquirrel" (thatsquirrel)
08/28/2017 at 16:34, STARS: 1
At least the VW starts.
"Manwich - now Keto-Friendly" (manwich)
08/28/2017 at 16:38, STARS: 0
But your soul will be blackened and filled with NOX emissions!
"My citroen won't start" (lucasboechat)
08/28/2017 at 19:31, STARS: 0
Guy just booked it. But I still think it helps, sure, it’s almost impossible to regulate and check how people are lane-splitting (much like left lane hogs), but in major cities it helps a lot.
"My citroen won't start" (lucasboechat)
08/28/2017 at 19:32, STARS: 0
Huh, it does look a little different.
"Chariotoflove" (chariotoflove)
08/28/2017 at 19:33, STARS: 0
I observed it in Paris a lot
"My citroen won't start" (lucasboechat)
08/28/2017 at 19:36, STARS: 1
It happens here a lot, third world country + cheap transportation= tons of tiny bikes and untrained riders.
"Chariotoflove" (chariotoflove)
08/28/2017 at 19:37, STARS: 0
Well then, Darwin’s playground, I guess.
"My citroen won't start" (lucasboechat)
08/28/2017 at 19:40, STARS: 1
I see it on daily basis, dead/downed riders on major avenues are a daily occurrence. 50% their own fault and 50% drivers using cellphones.
"Chariotoflove" (chariotoflove)
08/28/2017 at 19:41, STARS: 0
This makes me sad.
"My citroen won't start" (lucasboechat)
08/28/2017 at 19:44, STARS: 1
Indeed, it’s terrible that we become desensitised by things like this. Such is the human condition, at least in big cities.
"CRider" (crider)
08/28/2017 at 20:22, STARS: 0
My Citroen won’t start was sitting at a light when this happened, it wasn’t at speed. Splitting at speed gets exponentially more dangerous, but the fact is that filtering at lights is safer for riders, and eases traffic considerably. No law is going to stop dumbasses from dumbassing, but you can’t stop everyone from doing a safe, efficient thing because some idiots do it badly. Hit and run is illegal too, but you don’t talk about that.
"Chariotoflove" (chariotoflove)
08/28/2017 at 20:45, STARS: 0
Yeah, filtering at a light I actually don’t take exception with. But the point remains, squeezing those gaps at any kind of speed reduces margin for error. The law regulates lots of things with the goal of increasing margin for error, but that careful and skillful people can still pull off most of the time. I think lane splitting in moving traffic makes it more dangerous for the rider. Now, I may be wrong, and maybe I’ll try to find statistics to support or refute my hypothesis, when I get around to it. Just my opinion.
"CRider" (crider)
08/28/2017 at 21:51, STARS: 0
The statistics do refute your opinion. It seems scary from inside a car, but motorcyclists have a lot more room (and control) than you think. A skilled, licensed rider should be able to judge whether or not they can make it through a gap in traffic, and California allows motorcycles to split as long as traffic is moving under 50 mph, and the motorcycle doesn’t exceed 15 mph over the speed of traffic.
"Chariotoflove" (chariotoflove)
08/28/2017 at 22:51, STARS: 0
This the really interesting part:
“Rice found that lane-splitters wore better helmets, were less likely to be speeding and were less likely to be riding under the influence of alcohol.”
So, people who are more careful and conscientious riders get into accidents less, which makes sense. What surprises me is why those people would be more likely to lane split than people who are less safe in their behavior. I would think those people would be the ones to take more chances and break a traffic code.
"CRider" (crider)
08/29/2017 at 00:34, STARS: 0
Lane splitters are usually commuters, and people with a lot of years and miles under their belt. Squids that have a death wish generally can’t ride, and they are the ones that die doing this. Them and Harley guys with no helmets and a few beers in them. The IIHS says that 37% of motorcycle fatalities would have been prevented by a helmet. Further, “In 2015, 27 percent of fatally injured motorcycle drivers were operating without a valid driver’s license. The rate of unlicensed fatally injured motorcycle drivers during 2015 was higher than the rate of unlicensed fatally injured passenger vehicle drivers (27 percent vs. 15 percent).” There are a lot of interesting statistics on there, including age demographics- the most fatalities happen to people over the age of 50.
"Chariotoflove" (chariotoflove)
08/29/2017 at 00:44, STARS: 0
I see many many riders in Texas without helmets. My wife gave me a name for them in medical school. Donor cycles.