by "AestheticsInMotion" (aestheticsinmotion)
Published 08/18/2017 at 12:08
by "AestheticsInMotion" (aestheticsinmotion)
Published 08/18/2017 at 12:08
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The only catch is it has to be notoriously unreliable and/or difficult to work on. What do you pick?
I’d go Nissan.
"BlueMazda2 - Blesses the rains down in Africa, Purveyor of BMW Individual Arctic Metallic, Merci Twingo" (bluemazda2)
08/18/2017 at 12:11, STARS: 2
E65 745i, here I come!
If not, I’ll take an ‘86 GTV-6.
"Mercedes Streeter" (smart)
08/18/2017 at 12:11, STARS: 4
I’ll choose something rare, a smart crossblade!
"jasmits" (jasmits)
08/18/2017 at 12:12, STARS: 10
Hnnnnnnnnngggggggggg
"X37.9XXS" (x379xxs)
08/18/2017 at 12:12, STARS: 2
Simple
"BlueMazda2 - Blesses the rains down in Africa, Purveyor of BMW Individual Arctic Metallic, Merci Twingo" (bluemazda2)
08/18/2017 at 12:12, STARS: 1
Pls file to: GIB PLS
I want one so badly.
This needs to make it to more video games.
"Supreme Chancellor and Glorious Leader SaveTheIntegras" (jegoingout)
08/18/2017 at 12:12, STARS: 1
Same
"Smallbear wants a modern Syclone, local Maple Leafs spammer" (smallbear94)
08/18/2017 at 12:12, STARS: 1
Screw your rules.
Or, come to think of it... I can work with this. SYCLONE TIME
"Party-vi" (party-vi)
08/18/2017 at 12:13, STARS: 6
250 GTO, so I can auction it off and retire.
"RamblinRover Luxury-Yacht" (ramblininexile)
08/18/2017 at 12:13, STARS: 0
Depends on whether I’d want it as a primary car going forward or for the lulz. Lulz, a car which is comedically unreliable but easy to work on, something to rely on... something more reliable which is a pain to work on - just pay somebody for it.
I know you don’t really intend the question as a binary choice between those too things, but with that question and the one of dependence unresolved, I don’t know what to pick.
"TomServo (Resides on the Satellite of Love)" (mk7silkblue)
08/18/2017 at 12:14, STARS: 0
B6 Audi S4 Avant in Nogaro blue.
"jasmits" (jasmits)
08/18/2017 at 12:15, STARS: 0
I think this inherently should not be a car you rely on or a car so difficult and expensive to work on that it ends up costing you significantly
"Twingo Tamer - About to descend into project car hell." (oppisitelock)
08/18/2017 at 12:16, STARS: 2
An R34 GTR with waaay too much boost.
"AestheticsInMotion" (aestheticsinmotion)
08/18/2017 at 12:17, STARS: 2
Yes
"AestheticsInMotion" (aestheticsinmotion)
08/18/2017 at 12:17, STARS: 1
Nooooooo
"Jake - Has Bad Luck So You Don't Have To" (murdersofa)
08/18/2017 at 12:17, STARS: 2
literally any hypercar, then sell it and buy a mint Jaguar XJ-S and swap a 6.0 LS into it and invest the rest.
"crowmolly" (crowmolly)
08/18/2017 at 12:18, STARS: 0
Although I don’t fit in it I still want one.
"BlueMazda2 - Blesses the rains down in Africa, Purveyor of BMW Individual Arctic Metallic, Merci Twingo" (bluemazda2)
08/18/2017 at 12:19, STARS: 0
Too unreliable?
"davesaddiction @ opposite-lock.com" (davesaddiction)
08/18/2017 at 12:19, STARS: 2
ND RX-7
"awmaster10" (awmaster10)
08/18/2017 at 12:19, STARS: 1
Lotus Espirit V8. Not sure if they are THAT bad, but they certainly cant be good?
"davesaddiction @ opposite-lock.com" (davesaddiction)
08/18/2017 at 12:19, STARS: 1
Don’t be that guy.
"djmt1" (djmt1)
08/18/2017 at 12:20, STARS: 4
Lister XJS
"Textured Soy Protein" (texturedsoyprotein)
08/18/2017 at 12:20, STARS: 3
Either a Porsche 944 Turbo or a Mazda FD RX-7.
"jimz" (jimz)
08/18/2017 at 12:20, STARS: 1
Give me a 2004 Super Duty with a 6.0 Powerstroke. Unreliable and hard to work on; a lot of the “top end” work on these engines is more easily done by lifting the cab off of the frame.
"BlueMazda2 - Blesses the rains down in Africa, Purveyor of BMW Individual Arctic Metallic, Merci Twingo" (bluemazda2)
08/18/2017 at 12:22, STARS: 0
You could get a lot of chicken parms for the price of a 250 GTO.
Alternatively, you could also buy a lot of V6 Mustangs for the price of a 250 GTO.
"OPPOsaurus WRX" (opposaurus)
08/18/2017 at 12:22, STARS: 4
cuz I dont learn lessons (those are actually from two different projects)
"garagemonkee" (monke)
08/18/2017 at 12:23, STARS: 1
Audi 100. It was a collosal piece of shit with NLA parts that wear very quickly.
"Highlander-Datsuns are Forever" (jamesbowland)
08/18/2017 at 12:25, STARS: 1
I’d go with a 2010 BMW V10 M5. What could possibly go wrong that Tavarish couldn’t fix for $22.57.
"Sir_Stig: and toxic masculinity ruins the party again." (sir-stig)
08/18/2017 at 12:25, STARS: 3
There can only be one answer:
"Highlander-Datsuns are Forever" (jamesbowland)
08/18/2017 at 12:26, STARS: 0
You lived the reality.
"AuthiCooper1300" (rexrod)
08/18/2017 at 12:26, STARS: 0
An Alfa Romeo Montreal. Or a very early Lagonda.
"My citroen won't start" (lucasboechat)
08/18/2017 at 12:29, STARS: 1
or
Grand I would probably buy it even without the genie if they existed in this corner of the planet.
"Eric @ opposite-lock.com" (theyrerolling)
08/18/2017 at 12:29, STARS: 1
Bugatti Chiron
You didn’t say I needed to keep it, did you? Many maintenance tasks require removal of the entire engine. I’d say that’s hard to work on.
"Wagonlife740" (wagonlife740)
08/18/2017 at 12:29, STARS: 0
Delahaye 165 cabrio. It can sit in my living room, and I won’t have to work on it. hahahahahaha
"Sn210" (sn210)
08/18/2017 at 12:30, STARS: 4
"Wacko" (wacko--)
08/18/2017 at 12:32, STARS: 5
here is the cheaper one person version of that.
"Eric @ opposite-lock.com" (theyrerolling)
08/18/2017 at 12:33, STARS: 0
I like this idea, but I bet the genie would steal it and those VINs are probably all well known.
"Daily Drives a Dragon - One Last Lap" (ddadragon)
08/18/2017 at 12:34, STARS: 0
Oh easy. McLaren F1.
Or maybe a Vector W16. Or a Cizeta V16T
"RutRut" (RDR)
08/18/2017 at 12:36, STARS: 0
Anything from TVR.
"nerd_racing" (nerd189)
08/18/2017 at 12:37, STARS: 1
Alfa Romeo GTV 2000
"Yowen - not necessarily not spaghetti and meatballs" (yowen)
08/18/2017 at 12:37, STARS: 2
For millions of dollars I’ll happily sell my genie 250 GTO.
"LastFirstMI is my name" (donstone13)
08/18/2017 at 12:40, STARS: 2
850 CSI and an Audi Allroad. I would a have a non-functioning car for every situation.
"nerd_racing" (nerd189)
08/18/2017 at 12:40, STARS: 2
FD?
"AestheticsInMotion" (aestheticsinmotion)
08/18/2017 at 12:44, STARS: 2
Too ugly. The gtv is nice tho
"davesaddiction @ opposite-lock.com" (davesaddiction)
08/18/2017 at 12:45, STARS: 0
Whoops. Yes, of course. Must have had Miatas on the mind...
"Party-vi" (party-vi)
08/18/2017 at 12:54, STARS: 2
I HAVE ALWAYS BEEN THAT GUY
"AestheticsInMotion" (aestheticsinmotion)
08/18/2017 at 12:54, STARS: 1
The genie says “he would never do something so unscrupulous”
The genie is lying
"Party-vi" (party-vi)
08/18/2017 at 12:56, STARS: 3
It will be a previously unknown 250 GTO, or one that was made without a serial number for Enzo himself to keep and race, and the provenance will be there and it will be glorious.
"Party-vi" (party-vi)
08/18/2017 at 12:57, STARS: 2
I would have more enjoyment from chicken parm for the rest of my artery-clogged life.
"WhereTheSidewalkEnds" (wherethesidewalkends)
08/18/2017 at 12:57, STARS: 0
Pffft, Ive rubbed that bish twice...
Current (going through restoration) - 1993
Previous - Bought in 2003 and sold in 2009 (Never forget!)
"LongbowMkII" (longbowmkii)
08/18/2017 at 12:57, STARS: 0
Lotus Elite.
"CaptDale - is secretly British" (captdale)
08/18/2017 at 13:08, STARS: 0
TVR Tuscan 2S
"davesaddiction @ opposite-lock.com" (davesaddiction)
08/18/2017 at 13:09, STARS: 0
Good point.
"TheTurbochargedSquirrel" (thatsquirrel)
08/18/2017 at 13:09, STARS: 1
"Maxima Speed" (maximaspeed)
08/18/2017 at 13:10, STARS: 1
Oh most definitely Audi RS6 Avant in this Battleship Gray
"nerd_racing" (nerd189)
08/18/2017 at 13:34, STARS: 1
Can’t blame you there!
"Dasupersprint - base trim is enough" (dasupersprint)
08/18/2017 at 13:39, STARS: 2
"Maxima Speed" (maximaspeed)
08/18/2017 at 13:41, STARS: 1
Unreliable? Hard to work on? I’m not those apply to the 240
"415s30 W123TSXWaggoIIIIIIo ( •_•))°)" (415s30)
08/18/2017 at 13:48, STARS: 1
Probably a pre war car like a Bentley blower.
"Out, but with a W - has found the answer" (belg)
08/18/2017 at 14:30, STARS: 0
Hnnnnng
"Out, but with a W - has found the answer" (belg)
08/18/2017 at 14:30, STARS: 0
Sagaris or bust.
"CaptDale - is secretly British" (captdale)
08/18/2017 at 14:34, STARS: 0
I don’t care for the Sagaris
"Flynorcal: pilot, offshore sailor, car racer and panty thief" (flynorcal)
08/18/2017 at 16:24, STARS: 0
I have the correct answer.
"TheD0k_2many toys 2little time" (thed0ck)
08/18/2017 at 19:05, STARS: 0
But they arent hard to work on or really rare. (Maybe in the US)
"TheD0k_2many toys 2little time" (thed0ck)
08/18/2017 at 19:05, STARS: 0
Ughhhh very easy to work on and reliable
"TheD0k_2many toys 2little time" (thed0ck)
08/18/2017 at 19:07, STARS: 0
Except stock they are pretty reliable. Its when you throw a tune on them they go bad.
"jimz" (jimz)
08/18/2017 at 20:33, STARS: 0
not the early ones. ‘s why I specified “2004.”
"davesaddiction @ opposite-lock.com" (davesaddiction)
08/19/2017 at 00:04, STARS: 0
Rotaries aren’t know for their reliability.
"TheD0k_2many toys 2little time" (thed0ck)
08/19/2017 at 00:48, STARS: 0
says who?
"TheD0k_2many toys 2little time" (thed0ck)
08/19/2017 at 00:49, STARS: 0
if you throw a tuner on them yes. Maintain them and they go 200,000 easy
"davesaddiction @ opposite-lock.com" (davesaddiction)
08/19/2017 at 08:04, STARS: 2
Long read:
Back in 83-89 when i was racing rotaries versus factory backed piston engines in SCCA GT3 class one of the most significant aspects of the rotary was that it was bullet proof. The $20,000 four valve Toyota engines that were the primary competition were running cams that were so radical they had about 4 thou piston to valve clearance so as to make enough hp to run w the rotary. Over-rev 500 rpm on a shift and you had a bushel basket of shrapnel for your $20,000.
My Roger Mandeville or Daryl Drummond motors ran from 7000 minimum to 10,000 max for the entire 35 minute race. i remember at the 83 Runoffs at Road Atlanta asking Roger after qualifying if he thought we should throw in a fresh motor. The motor in the car had run 12 National races, plus two days of practice and two days of Runoffs qualifying... Roger asked if the motor hot started O K and i answered in the affirmative. He laughed and said that if we liked working we could change it but it wouldn’t add another hp.
Try that w a piston engine.... the valve stems would be loosey goosey leaking oil into the combustion chamber, the valve springs would be shot, the rod bolts would be stretching etc etc.
I ran 72 National races, 5 Road Atlanta Runoffs and had one blown motor.
The circumstance of my one misfortune was after the first day of qualifying at the Runoffs I was fourth. I asked Daryl if we might put one more tooth (Speedway Eng quick change rear end) in the overall gear ratio for Q2. We were pulling 10,000 at the bottom of the hill after the long back straight… the change would add an additional 400 rpm in 5th. Daryl said it would be 50/50 the motor would live as it had been pulling hard from the keyhole. I gave it a shot and the motor lost a seal at 10,400. Unlike a piston motor, most of it was salvageable.
Even when wounded, racing rotaries just keep on humming. i remember seeing Chris Dembs at the (approx) 82 Runoffs pouring oil down his Weber carb to get his rotary started and he blew off a very strong field...
Perhaps the most demonstrative example of rotary reliability was in the 24 Hours of Daytona. During the 80s Mazda racked up a huge number of wins in GTU and GTO over Porsche.
At the end of the 24 hours all the Mazda racers would make a point of bringing their cars into the pits and letting the engines idle while they leisurely extricated themselves. The engines (huge bridgeports or peripherals) would just brap brap away like they had been on a cruise.
Bullet Proof.
The piston engine cars still running after 24 hours would idle at about 5000 rpm. They were total junk. I use the J word literally. After a 24 hour race most piston engines are torn down and almost all moving parts are discarded or sold for pennies down the food chain.
Rotaries ruled the 24 Hours in the 80s. All from a shortblock that is approx 13 inches by 13 inches by 13 inches... w no rods to bend, no valves to crunch, no cams to screw with no windage problems in the crankcase....
So what happened to the FD rotary?
Turbos happened.
A turbo is
exactly
what the rotary needs to take advantage of the motor’s immense breathing ability. While the rotary doesn’t make as much hp as a piston engine per given unit of airflow it can flow much more air and that’s where the turbo enters the picture.
Mazda threw some air at the FD with a couple of turbos.
More air, more power more heat... and here is where our journey will take two roads...
The OEM FD turbo system being Road One and the aftermarket single setup being Road Two.
The OEM Mazda turbo system is a thermal disaster. In an effort to build early spool/torque Mazda created a manifold system that bolts 22 pounds of cast iron, one of the most heat retentive materials, to the aluminum rotor housings. Aluminum is one of the most heat receptive materials.
The rotary runs around 200-400 degrees F more EGT than a piston engine. This heat is channeled into a huge hunk of cast iron that is highly restrictive (the two turbines flow exhaust directly at each other?) and the whole deal ends up as a very effective heat retention device bolted to the side of the motor.
Then there’s the turbo control system… 72 rubber hoses in an oven. Tick, tick, tick.
I can just see the design engineer feeling all warm and fuzzy looking at the Centrino-like web of hoses on his CAD machine. Maybe he wouldn’t have felt so satisfied had he considered that instead of copper conductors the control paths on his diagram would be composed of rubber hoses that would need to function and maintain integrity in oven-like conditions.
There’s other aspects such as the fact that the turbo compressors cavitate above a wimpy 14 psi superheating the charge air . Raise the boost from that point and you get more pressure and less oxygen into the motor. Lose- lose.
But hey, Penske won the 71 Trans-Am in a Javelin… you can make anything work if you throw enough at it. So we do silicone hoses, pre-cat elimination, the down pipe and settle for modest hp increases and cross our fingers. All due to the turbo system.
Road One is whistling past the graveyard.
It doesn’t have to be that way.
Turbocharging and melting your rotary do not go necessarily hand in hand.
Road Two
A properly fixtured and tuned single turbo system can make lots
more power with LESS ENGINE STRESS.
I designed my own single turbo system. Actually, it features a single (TO4) turbo for each rotor. Two rotors, two turbos, two three inch downpipes. One of my design objectives was to increase the heat removal from the engine by decreasing exhaust back pressure.
"Nauraushaun" (nauraushaun12)
08/19/2017 at 15:47, STARS: 0
It might be a 300ZX BUT I WON’T PUT DUMB FUCKING CANNONS ON IT OR DELETE THE SPOILER AND I’LL REPLACE THE FUCKING ROOF TRIMS
AND IT PROBABLY WON’T HAVE 2K LIGHTS but the look alright and I’m not altogether opposed to them
"AestheticsInMotion" (aestheticsinmotion)
08/19/2017 at 19:58, STARS: 0
This was a really good read and I want to know more. An FD is high on the list of potential stablemates for my Miata
"AestheticsInMotion" (aestheticsinmotion)
08/19/2017 at 20:00, STARS: 1
One of these drove past me today on a mountain pass. Mint, black with mesh wheels. Hngggg
"AestheticsInMotion" (aestheticsinmotion)
08/19/2017 at 20:01, STARS: 0
The worst part is that those are two of five or six cars on my shortlist to join the Miata in a year or two
"AestheticsInMotion" (aestheticsinmotion)
08/19/2017 at 20:03, STARS: 0
*removes mufflers and cats*
"AestheticsInMotion" (aestheticsinmotion)
08/19/2017 at 20:04, STARS: 1
Audi has mastered the art of making beautiful grey paint.
"AestheticsInMotion" (aestheticsinmotion)
08/19/2017 at 20:05, STARS: 1
Alfa anything plz
"TheD0k_2many toys 2little time" (thed0ck)
08/19/2017 at 21:42, STARS: 0
dang well you have quite a history with them i see.
Most people i know have gone to better aftermarket set ups with turbos
"davesaddiction @ opposite-lock.com" (davesaddiction)
08/19/2017 at 22:46, STARS: 0
Sorry, should’ve added quotes to make it clear that is wasn’t my history...
"davesaddiction @ opposite-lock.com" (davesaddiction)
08/19/2017 at 22:47, STARS: 0
Sorry, should’ve added quotes to make it clear that is wasn’t my history...
"davesaddiction @ opposite-lock.com" (davesaddiction)
08/19/2017 at 22:49, STARS: 0
"davesaddiction @ opposite-lock.com" (davesaddiction)
08/19/2017 at 22:49, STARS: 0
"TheD0k_2many toys 2little time" (thed0ck)
08/19/2017 at 23:43, STARS: 0
ah ok well still interesting
"davesaddiction @ opposite-lock.com" (davesaddiction)
08/20/2017 at 07:45, STARS: 0
I thought so! Guy clearly knows what he’s talking about.