But Really, This Should Be Your Vehicle Lineup (FCA)

by "shpuker" (shpuker)
Published 08/06/2017 at 19:55

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If you didn’t catch my last edition of, Really, That’s Your Vehicle Lineup? Then feel free to read through that real quick before I delve into the direction I think the company should go!

Note: Any engine designations with * aftermeans I’m refering to a next generation of the engine. If you people want I can dig into what I’d like to see added to the engines in question.

First and foremost: Jeep just release a fucking pickup already. You know people will buy it, just do it. I guess that’s as good a lead in as I’ll have, let’s go!

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Renegade
Honestly think they’ve got the right mindset with this one. Only change is ditching the 2.4L
Powertrains: 1.4L Turbo*, 2.0L Turbo

Compass:
Man they really screwed everything up by making the Cherokee the goofy looking fuck and not giving it this face. Too late to change it now though. I’d want to see them radicalaize the design of the Compass at it’s mid-cycle in 2020/2021 as well as release a hybrid version of the vehicle, ideally as soon as late 2018.
Powertrains: 1.4L Turbo*, 2.0L Turbo, 1.4L Turbo Hybrid

Cherokee:
For fucks sake they need to fix this things front end up a bit. MCR needs to give it a more Grand Cherokee esque face and a more elaborate version of the Trailhawk, I’m thinking a 2.4L Turbo HO Trailcat
Powertrains: 2.0L Turbo, 2.4L Turbo*

Grand Cherokee:
Don’t ruin your best seller, other than some powertrain changes leave it alone:
Powertrains: 2.4L Turbo*, 2.2L Diesel, 3.6L Turbo*, 3.6L Bi-Turbo*

Wrangler:
I’ll hold off on anything crazy until the next gen is rolled out in the near future. I’d like to see this engine lineup though (I’ve seen the presumed list, it’s too many for just the US market for sure):
Powertrains: 2.0L Turbo, 2.2L Diesel, 2.4L Turbo

Scrambler:
Yea bitch that’s right. Based off the next gen Wrangler platform, Shares the engine lineup. Directly competes with the Ranger/Colorado/Canyon. Obligatory Trailcat is obligatory
Powertrains: 2.0L Turbo, 2.2L Diesel, 2.4L Turbo*, 2.4L Bi-Turbo*

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Yea I said it. Fight me.

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I’m not going to dig into the fleet side of Ram, partially because it would take forever, partially because I don’t give a fuck. Here’s the rest.

1200
AKA fuck the Dakota name. Lower market version of the Scrambler, essentially re-uses everything except the body paneling.
Powertrains: 2.0L Turbo*, 2.2L Diesel, 2.4L Turbo*

1500
I’m looking for the next gen to implement more aluminum in the body, other than that I don’t expect nor want any crazy changes. Here’s the powertrain I want though.... Oh yea and I want the 5.7L gone.... Oops... Oh and I want a 6.2L V8 Raptor competitor... Yea I want it as the 6.2L not a 3.6L TT... I’m crazy ok?
Powertrain: 2.4L Turbo*, 3.0L Diesel*, 3.6L Turbo*, 6.2L DI*

2500/2500
Nothing too crazy, more aluminum here as well.
Powertrain: 3.6L Turbo*, 6.2L DI*, 6.7L Diesel*

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Coronet
Yea that’s right. Gotta shake up the car segment somehow right? Why not bring back the Coronet nameplate. Base it on the current 200 platform. Target Fusion sales specifically.
Powertrains: 1.4L Turbo*, 2.0L Turbo, 2.4L Bi-Turbo, 1.4L Turbo Hybrid*

Charger:
Nothing crazy here, give it an all aluminum body if it doesn’t have it already. Oh and add on a luxo-package line similar to BMW’s sport/luxury model lines they did on the 3 series for a while.
Powertrain: 2.0L Turbo, 2.4L Turbo, 3.6L Turbo, 3.6L Bi-Turbo... Wait shit I said nothing crazy... Fuck

Challenger
Umm... Nothing too... Yea my bad. Same shit as above.
Powertrain: 2.0L Turbo, 2.4L Turbo, 3.6L Turbo, 3.6L Bi-Turbo.

Century:
Honestly I just picked a name and I’m going with it. Escape sized CUV, all aluminum, based on the Compass but with no off-road version and a high-end luxury option... Oh and an SRT option.
Powertrains: 1.4L Turbo*, 2.0L Turbo, 2.4L Bi-Turbo, 1.4L Turbo Hybrid*

Journey:
Complete re-engineering of the current journey, based off the Cherokee platform, same adjustments as the Century/Compass
2.0L Turbo, 2.4L Turbo*, 2.4L Bi-Turbo*

Durango
Nothing crazy, more aluminum, maybe drop the base price slightly if possible.
Powertrain: 2.4L Turbo*, 2.2L Diesel, 3.6L Turbo*, 3.6L Bi-Turbo*

Grand Caravan
Take everything the current T&C has and put a Dodge face on it.
Powertrain: 2.0L Turbo, 2.4L Turbo, 1.4L Turbo Hybrid*

Daytona
Oh you thought I was done? Shit no! Based off the current Alfa 4C. Starting price ~$40,000 and no auto option.
Powertrain: 1.4L Turbo*, 2.4L Turbo*, 2.4L Bi-Turbo*

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I couldn’t find a gravestone. Sue me.

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FCA please stop fucking around and move them up the luxo-scale.

4C
Move it up in price to ~$65,000 base, add engine options and more luxury options, no manual option... See what I did there?
Powertrain: 2.4L Turbo, 2.9L TT

Giulia
WHY THE FUCK DOES THIS START AT $38,000?!? Up the base options/quality and start it at $48,000+
Powertrain: 2.4L Turbo, 2.9L TT (I mean they already have it), 3.6L Bi-Turbo

Stelvio:
Move the base price up to $55,000, up the base options.
Powertrain: 2.2L Diesel, 2.9L TT, 3.6L Bi-Turbo

I’m sure all of you will strongly dispute all of this so let’s hear it! What are your thoughts?

P.S. For the record that’s 12 engines total (I think I counted right) and 10 SRT models (Not counting the Alfas).

Replies (53)

"Nibbles" (nibbles)
08/06/2017 at 20:09, STARS: 3

One V8? You want to saddle the trucks with ONE V8?

No sir. I don’t like it, not one bit. The 5.7 needs to stay - it is bread and butter - sure update it but shit it is 12+ years old and still better than GM’s 5.3 and on par with the 5.0 Coyote.

"shpuker" (shpuker)
08/06/2017 at 20:15, STARS: 0

This is the change I’m most hesitant to suggest for sure, but in my opinion the 5.7L Is slotted at a point where it doesn’t do anything that a direct injected 3.6L Turbo couldn’t take its place. Two other key points:

If you replace it in the Charger/Challenger with the 3.6L Turbo then you free up your design team for the next gen platform significantly. This would allow for massive weight reductions and an improvement to the vehicles cornering dynamics.

As emissions regulations tighten up it’s going to be extremely hard to justify the types of changes required to get the 5.7L to the same emissions level as the 3.6L Turbo could be with minimal effort. This will drive the cost up and make it less viable. You can still run the 6.2L because you can run it as a premium level engine and justify the cost.

"Frenchlicker" (frenchlicker)
08/06/2017 at 20:25, STARS: 1

Hadn’t really thought of it but most of it seems right.

"HFV has no HFV. But somehow has 2 motorcycles" (hondasfordsvolvo)
08/06/2017 at 20:29, STARS: 0

Fiat needs to stay.

Also the Wrangler Truck should be a Scrambler, the Comanchee was an XJ. So unless it’s a boxed unibody rather than BOF it’s not a Comanchee

"Carbon Fiber Sasquatch" (turbopumpkin)
08/06/2017 at 20:40, STARS: 1

I like it and it makes sense, therefore FCA will do nothing anywhere near this lol

"Variance" (Variance)
08/06/2017 at 20:49, STARS: 0

I’m pretty sure that it has been all but confirmed that the next generation of Wrangler will have a truck variant (as well as a hybrid powertrain option, though my guess is that won’t be on the truck variant).

For the Cherokee, I wouldn’t be surprised to see the upcoming MY19 refresh bring it in line with the brand design language.

"Nibbles" (nibbles)
08/06/2017 at 21:14, STARS: 1

Except the 5.7 nets better loaded fuel economy than its downsized and turbocharged competitors, and doesn’t require premium fuel.

"JR1" (type35bugatti)
08/06/2017 at 21:16, STARS: 2

You must be crazy. No V8 in the Challenger, Grand Cherokee, Daytona (which should not be based of a 4c, and Charger? Nope, nope, nope.

Furthermore, the 300 is pretty damn successful. Chrysler needs to keep that going for a long time. Maybe bring in a convertible off the platform as well. I would hate to see a company with so much heritage go to waste.

"shpuker" (shpuker)
08/06/2017 at 21:27, STARS: 0

1) Give me one good reason

2) That’s actually a really good point.

"shpuker" (shpuker)
08/06/2017 at 21:33, STARS: 0

Oh trust me I am! If it we’re up to me every non-performance car would be running all electric with 1.0L-1.6L turbo generators

The 4c Platform would lend itself well to a Corvette competitor (the Daytona) assuming GM goes mid-engine on the next gen, which I’m 99.99 sure they will (I’ve been wrong before). If Dodge put a higher powered 4C to market just before hand though they’d cause serious problems for the Corvette team.

I agree, the 300 is remarkably successful, but if FCA is serious about bringing Alfa to the US market and making it high volume (Which I’m mostly for) then it needs to be their sole high-end brand. AKA there’s no room for Chrysler in this combination IMO. The introduction of the luco-Charger is an attempt at mitigating the losses from cutting the 300 but they likely won’t save 100% of the customers. It would be a shame to see them go, but at this point they’ve built such a shit public image around them that it’d be hard to try and shift it to a true luxury brand. Alfa (at least in the US) has an image that could easily be moved to that role though.

"shpuker" (shpuker)
08/06/2017 at 21:40, STARS: 0

The premium fuel comment is valid.

The loaded fuel economy comment is valid assuming you’re only looking at hauling FE. When you look big picture though the vast majority of time in all trucks is spent unloaded. So when you’re pulling a trailer, yes the V8's are better on fuel. But the turbo 6's perform better in all scenarios and under normal driving situations achieves better fuel economy.

"Nibbles" (nibbles)
08/06/2017 at 21:43, STARS: 0

Meh. Anecdotal I know but my 5.7 gets me 26 highway and 19 city unloaded. Loaded I near 14 which the Ecoboosts could only dream of.

The previous gen had a big economy problem. Turns out it was, doyee, the transmission.

"shpuker" (shpuker)
08/06/2017 at 21:47, STARS: 1

Lmao too true. If they ditch Marchionne though anything is fair game.

"shpuker" (shpuker)
08/06/2017 at 21:49, STARS: 0

I’m about 99% sure the pickup config has been all but confirmed as well (makes sense after GM/Ford brought/are bringing their back). I haven’t heard about a hybrid Wrangler though. Not sure how I feel about that.

Agreed

"shpuker" (shpuker)
08/06/2017 at 21:56, STARS: 0

First off, just actually read your username, same Nibbles that’s been on here forever?

I’m not well versed on the 5.7L post 2012 but my dad had a 2010 5.7L 1500 and he was seeing around 16 city/22 highway/19-19.5 combined/12ish loaded on his (had a CAI+ exhaust and a foot made of feathers so IDK how to adjust that). Running 26 highway on a HEMI is unheard of from everything I know though so I’m not sure how to run after that bit. I’ll do some more diggin on the it though.

"JeepJeremy" (jeepjeremy)
08/06/2017 at 21:59, STARS: 2

That Wrangler pictured.........

"shpuker" (shpuker)
08/06/2017 at 22:00, STARS: 1

Seriously though. Beyond perfection.....

Also I might have...

"JeepJeremy" (jeepjeremy)
08/06/2017 at 22:03, STARS: 1

It’s beyond my comprehension how anyone has the $$$$ resources to do that.

"Mini Guy- Now has a 4Runner" (gavinharter30)
08/06/2017 at 22:09, STARS: 0

Why no TRAILCAT for the wrangker

"Nibbles" (nibbles)
08/06/2017 at 22:09, STARS: 0

Same nibbles since 2008 or so :)

And the addition of the ZF 8 speed has made a WORLD of difference

"jmgadget" (jmgadget)
08/06/2017 at 22:41, STARS: 0

Just so you have more data. My 5.7 charger gets 26 highway on the cruise and I’m currently getting 22 city with my daily commute thanks to the 8 speed and I’m not the lightest foot around. My 3.6 8 speed 300s got 19 city and never got above 27 highway with the same commute and highway driving.

The old 5 speed was a terrible mate to the 5.7.

"HFV has no HFV. But somehow has 2 motorcycles" (hondasfordsvolvo)
08/06/2017 at 23:10, STARS: 0

Fiat needs to stay because the 124 is better looking then the ND,p, plus some one needs to make a fun small 2 door hatch in the US and no one else wants to.

"Shoop" (shoopdawoop993)
08/06/2017 at 23:15, STARS: 1

Did you just say a challenger and charger with no v8s?

Get out. Think about what you did. I hope you feel ashamed.

"shpuker" (shpuker)
08/06/2017 at 23:26, STARS: 1

Just picture a challenger burnout with a bunch of blow-off noise. Do it.... DO IT....

"shpuker" (shpuker)
08/06/2017 at 23:28, STARS: 0

My other approach to the Daytona/4C idea is to have the 4C keep the 1.8L, add a 2.4L BT and make the Daytona a rebadged 124 with the 1.4 Turbo and a 2.4L Turbo

"shpuker" (shpuker)
08/06/2017 at 23:32, STARS: 1

If I didn’t have student loans/any other responsibilities/about a 15k pay raise I might be able to save up and do it.

"HFV has no HFV. But somehow has 2 motorcycles" (hondasfordsvolvo)
08/06/2017 at 23:33, STARS: 0

I don’t think a new Dodge Daytona could over come the shadow of the 80s FWD disaster, then again the Charger and Challenger did it.

Also I think Dodge could have a Renegade based CUV called the Raider. Although Mistubshi might have rights to the name.  

"shpuker" (shpuker)
08/06/2017 at 23:35, STARS: 1

<3 Same Shpuker since ~07'-08' as well.

I still need to drive an 8-speed 5.7L. MAYBE I’ll change my approach, but honestly the only way to meet emissions in the next 5-10 is with the 3.6L running DI and a turbo or two

"JeepJeremy" (jeepjeremy)
08/06/2017 at 23:36, STARS: 1

I couldn’t justify it even then. I mean...that’s gotta be damn near $100k of vehicle and mods. I have two daughters. One of them at least deserves a state university education instead of daddy’s obscene toy.

"shpuker" (shpuker)
08/06/2017 at 23:37, STARS: 0

Call me crazy but I’m not convinced it would sell that well. I’m honestly not sure why and logically it should, but my gut tells me no. (To be fair I would 100% want one, but I’d never pay the $65k+ it’d command)

"Nibbles" (nibbles)
08/06/2017 at 23:39, STARS: 1

EcoBoost ain’t got shit on this truck. My neighbor has a ‘14 3.5 EB and can’t touch my em pee gees

"shpuker" (shpuker)
08/06/2017 at 23:47, STARS: 0

To be fair the 2017+ 10 speed changes that

"shpuker" (shpuker)
08/06/2017 at 23:47, STARS: 3

Pffff children are overrated

"JeepJeremy" (jeepjeremy)
08/06/2017 at 23:48, STARS: 0

Hahaha!

"Nibbles" (nibbles)
08/06/2017 at 23:49, STARS: 0

I haven’t seen numbers on the new 10 speed. But if it offers the same upgrades as that ZF, I’m all for it.

The ZF still shifts better, I can guarantee that without numbers ;)

"shpuker" (shpuker)
08/06/2017 at 23:51, STARS: 1

Honestly I don’t think the memory of it is firm enough to hurt potential sales, but the “Oh I’ve heard of that” level f name recognition should help it’s base sales.

I wouldn’t want to see Dodge run a competitor to the Renegade AND Compass (Not 100% sure why but I’ve got a feeling like they’d drive sales out for whatever reason), but I could get behind a Renegade in its place for sure. Personally I think a Dodge version of the Compass would do better than a different Renegade though. Plus it gives a lot more room to play with pricing.

"shpuker" (shpuker)
08/06/2017 at 23:55, STARS: 1

From what I’ve seen the % boost in FE is similar. It’s had a few issues with tuning/production though so we’ll see how it gets sorted out. AKA theres the downside to developing one in co-op with GM instead of just letting ZF make it.

"Nibbles" (nibbles)
08/06/2017 at 23:57, STARS: 1

I kno rite? Why team up with an enemy when ze Deutsch can do it better with their eyes closed?

"Shoop" (shoopdawoop993)
08/07/2017 at 00:08, STARS: 1

Maybe you do it differently in dumbistan but in America we keep our foot on the floor during burnouts.

"shpuker" (shpuker)
08/07/2017 at 00:25, STARS: 0

But a blow off will sound when you hit the rev-limiter.....

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"Rustholes-Are-Weight-Reduction" (rustholes-are-weight-reduction)
08/07/2017 at 04:09, STARS: 0

Killing Fiat? Without checking the numbers, I think Fiat is way more profitable than Alfa. Alfa is to Fiat what Lexus is to Toyota: a nice upscale option to the bread and butter business which gets in the real money.

"shpuker" (shpuker)
08/07/2017 at 06:23, STARS: 0

I’m talking US market on this. Fiat in the US is none of that and Alfa is in a position to be shaped as a proper luxury brand

"Mini Guy- Now has a 4Runner" (gavinharter30)
08/07/2017 at 06:50, STARS: 1

Well where I live (the south), it would sell like hot cakes. Either that or someone would put a Hemi in a wrangler Sahara anyways

"nerd_racing" (nerd189)
08/07/2017 at 07:16, STARS: 0

Century is owned by Buick.

"shpuker" (shpuker)
08/07/2017 at 07:23, STARS: 0

Shit you’re right

"Rustholes-Are-Weight-Reduction" (rustholes-are-weight-reduction)
08/07/2017 at 11:23, STARS: 0

Might make sense then

"SuckItMcGee (aka SuckItMcFanSpeller)" (suckitmcgee2)
10/12/2017 at 10:54, STARS: 0

This comment is late to the game, but I REALLY want a convertible challenger! No one makes a fullsize ‘vert anymore (Mustang is closest I would think). Otherwise shoppers are relegated to the E-Class or 6-Series (which has a laughably tight back seat).

"shpuker" (shpuker)
10/12/2017 at 10:59, STARS: 0

I’ve always really wondered why they never made one. I’d assume it had something to do with chassis rigidity. Maybe the next gen will get the ‘vert option though!

"KnowsAboutCars" (knowsaboutcars)
10/16/2017 at 04:10, STARS: 0

1) It’s important in Europe.

"shpuker" (shpuker)
10/16/2017 at 09:07, STARS: 0

This is all in reference to the US market, I could’ve stated that better.

"Drunken Hamster" (drunken-hamster)
11/04/2017 at 19:49, STARS: 0

Where are the V8's, cunt?

Gotta have that sound.

Gotta have V8's in the lineup.

I will not accept the death of the V8. The 5.7 still belongs as the lower power one, and the 6.4 belongs as the higher power one. 400HP on the 5.7, and 500 on the 6.4, at the crank with equal torque/HP figures, both seeing around a ~6000 RPM redline.

And like Toyota, these should each have MOPAR Supercharger/Turbo kits that will be good for another ~250HP under warranty.

Other than that, I kinda think you’re a bit out of your depth. Kill Chrysler? Hardly. The 300c is a good looking car and a total sleeper as an SRT-8 vehicle.

IMO, bring back the Magnum, Viper, a Crossfire type vehicle, and add something that can compete with the likes of the Ford GT. Make Jeep pickups, make a Durango pickup kinda like the Ford Explorer Sport-Trac, make a performance Ram 1500{SRT}, and make the Dakota in an SRT performance package as well.

And make the Fiat 500 an RR machine. {{And give an SRT variant to pretty much everything, as well as AWD options and manual transmissions to all.}}

Oh, also, make UTEs. Specifically ones that look masculine and badass and more like trucks. A ‘11-’14 Charger/’15+ Challenger/’08 Magnum Ute{or an update based on it] = THE SHIT!!

"Drunken Hamster" (drunken-hamster)
11/04/2017 at 19:53, STARS: 0

But that’s a straight 6, not a v6. A v6 won’t sound that good.

Besides, they could always turbo the V8 and you’d get a better overall sound AND the blow-off.

Hear for yourself....

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"RT" (rt-p)
01/10/2018 at 08:13, STARS: 0

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There’s your Fiats.

A light dash of Lancia.

Gotta have some Alfa Romeo.

Let’s not forget some Maserati.

Heck, do FCA own Ferrari nowadays?

Oh yeah, here’s your Mopar products, back when the company was actually cool.

That totals to a lineup of ...many engines. I like it though.