by "JR1" (type35bugatti)
Published 08/04/2017 at 13:13
by "JR1" (type35bugatti)
Published 08/04/2017 at 13:13
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Luxury includes a commanding view of the road and the pre war luxury, while not technically considered SUVs, look a hell of a lot more like an Escalade than they do a CT6.
"Jake - Has Bad Luck So You Don't Have To" (murdersofa)
08/04/2017 at 13:23, STARS: 0
...eh?
"Wagonlife740" (wagonlife740)
08/04/2017 at 13:27, STARS: 0
If the current “SUV” looks more like a 1920s or 30s “sedan”, what would an Escalade “coupe” look like?
"RamblinRover Luxury-Yacht" (ramblininexile)
08/04/2017 at 13:31, STARS: 0
Yep yep. Out of fashion from the ‘50s-’80s, but the easiest way to add space is up, and tall doors with high seats were why the elderly made for a good peripheral market for minivans. ‘50s thinking was for a low threshold and wide door for improved access, but smart packaging and improved unibody platforms allow a fashionable height without taking the threshold too far up.
"Wobbles the Mind" (wobblesthemind)
08/04/2017 at 13:32, STARS: 5
Agreed. Replace the white wall with more rim and you realize Americans buy the same cars Americans have always bought.
"functionoverfashion" (functionoverfashion)
08/04/2017 at 13:34, STARS: 1
Change though they may, cars are boxes on wheels and those that are more practical tend to be more box-shaped.
"RamblinRover Luxury-Yacht" (ramblininexile)
08/04/2017 at 13:34, STARS: 0
What’s he’s going for was that back when cars and trucks had a lot less platform differentiation, the superlux badges didn’t think height was a bad thing - except maybe Cord. It’s not for nothing that Bentleys were “fast lorries” - they were big *and* tall. There was a documentable race for lower thresholds and bigger doors on the luxury badges of the ‘50s, but being able to “ride tall” has come back into its own.
"Future next gen S2000 owner" (future-next-gen-s2000-owner)
08/04/2017 at 13:36, STARS: 0
Boooo.
"Jake - Has Bad Luck So You Don't Have To" (murdersofa)
08/04/2017 at 13:42, STARS: 1
I just thought that ride height was more a factor of shitty roads and that being “the norm” back then rather than a conscious decision to have an abnormally tall ride height.
"RamblinRover Luxury-Yacht" (ramblininexile)
08/04/2017 at 13:57, STARS: 0
Well, Cord and Ruxton both tried to premiere lower ride heights as a luxury hallmark in 1929, and *failed*. A conscious decision to have an abnormally tall *body and seat height* (=/= ride height) was going on with a couple of the makers at any rate, and there was no real reason not to go that way.
Pierce Arrows of the mid-30s are big in *all* dimensions, and that includes being tall as all fuck, even without riding very high at all.
What did that in probably more than anything was the association of being low with being sporty, and perceived sportiness surpassing perceived value of “ha ha peasants I am literally driving a castle”. Look at any of the ads for Continental and Imperial from the late ‘50s - they really push the sportiness aspect *at the same time as* pushing accessibility. Because: suddenly, Grandpa gots to hustle, yo.
"404 - User No Longer Available" (toni-cipriani)
08/04/2017 at 14:10, STARS: 0
Shouldn’t that be the D-Series?
http://lanoire.wikia.com/wiki/International_D_Series_Sedan
"JR1" (type35bugatti)
08/04/2017 at 16:26, STARS: 0
See Ramblin’s response
"JR1" (type35bugatti)
08/04/2017 at 16:29, STARS: 1
This beautiful thing
"JR1" (type35bugatti)
08/04/2017 at 16:31, STARS: 0
We can all thank Harley Earl for the low and wide era
"JR1" (type35bugatti)
08/04/2017 at 16:33, STARS: 0
The truth hurts sometimes
"JR1" (type35bugatti)
08/04/2017 at 16:33, STARS: 0
That body style was popular long before the D series
"Wagonlife740" (wagonlife740)
08/04/2017 at 16:38, STARS: 1
lol
"404 - User No Longer Available" (toni-cipriani)
08/04/2017 at 16:49, STARS: 1
Well not so much body style, but built on a truck frame.
"gogmorgo - rowing gears in a Grand Cherokee" (gogmorgo)
08/04/2017 at 16:50, STARS: 0
Ever seen an early Rolls in person? Those things are bigger than any modern SUV.
"JR1" (type35bugatti)
08/04/2017 at 16:55, STARS: 0
I have actually. Same with the old Pierce Arrows. It is crazy
"Future next gen S2000 owner" (future-next-gen-s2000-owner)
08/04/2017 at 16:59, STARS: 0
I’ve had similar thoughts before about ride height. If Harley Earl hadn’t introduced longer, lower, wider would we have ever left the bigger/higher/boxier body style?
This is just a two box design in its early elemental form. Any later two box will by default look more like it even if its mission and design intent are vastly different.
This really has more in common with a wagon than anything else.
"JR1" (type35bugatti)
08/04/2017 at 17:05, STARS: 0
I think if Earl had not come along styling would have been more like this:
Still high off the ground but more curved in the front especially to make designs more aerodynamic.
You’re not wrong about a wagon but I would offer the fact that wagons tend to have a much lower center of gravity like a sedan. Furthermore, at least modern wagons, are not body on frame like this Duesy.
"xc90v8/I4 :(" (xc90v8)
08/04/2017 at 17:21, STARS: 0
Seen a Bugatti Royale?
"ranwhenparked" (ranwhenparked)
08/04/2017 at 18:31, STARS: 0
Yeah, tell me how this isn’t a phaeton, again?
"gogmorgo - rowing gears in a Grand Cherokee" (gogmorgo)
08/04/2017 at 23:19, STARS: 0
Buddy of mine’s grandpa has a survivor Pierce Arrow sitting in a barn. Beautiful car, just very worn in and needs some TLC to get it back on the road. It was apparently kept running until the 80's when the original owner passed away, and his son wasn’t able to look after it any more. So at this point it’s pretty much a two-owner car. My buddy’s grandpa was hoping to turn it into a grandfather-grandson restoration project, but his health is failing and my buddy doesn’t quite have the mechanical aptitude for that sort of thing. Pretty disappointing, I’d love to see it back on the road.
"JR1" (type35bugatti)
08/04/2017 at 23:25, STARS: 0
Holy shit you’re right
"JR1" (type35bugatti)
08/06/2017 at 09:43, STARS: 0
That is dissapointing. I would jump all over that given the chance. That’s a story and an heirloom I would hold onto for a life time.