by "The Stig's Missourian Cousin" (zachelliott)
Published 06/28/2017 at 09:51
by "The Stig's Missourian Cousin" (zachelliott)
Published 06/28/2017 at 09:51
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I’ve been planning on upgrading my old 04 Tahoe to a pickup in a couple months. I’ve been doing a lot of research, and picked a budget. So now i’m in the process of test driving. Two weekends ago I test drove a 2014 Ram 1500 Crew Cab with the Hemi, and it was nice, but had a ton of miles for the price. But it did have everything I wanted-
-Backup Cam
-SiriusXM
-4 real doors
-Reasonable towing capacity
So with a budget of $26k, I started to look at midsize as well. I have a rather low garage that barely fits the Tahoe, so a shorter midsize truck would be better. I can’t afford a newer Tacoma, the previous generation are nice, but still apparently made of Gold. And the Frontier is garbage. But apparently, you can buy a brand new GMC Canyon for $25k at two different dealers within 300 miles of me (one in OK and one in IL. They both have around 10 of the same model, just different colors). Despite being a base model, they come with real wheels (not steelies), a stereo with Android Auto/Apple Carplay, and maybe SiriusXM? (I’ve heard conflicting reports on that), backup cam, and the V6, and don’t look too bad:
My main concern with the Canyon/Colorado is the size. So I took myself, my wife and a good friend to a local dealer and test drove this:
It was the lowest trim Canyon the dealer had. Despite having a higher end radio than the base model, heated seats, and other things I wouldn’t have in the base model, I really liked it. It didn’t feel cramped up front, and the backseat was a bit tight for my friend and the tall salesman, but better than the Frontier. It rode great, had plenty of power, and with a 7k towing capacity, I know it’ll handle a small camper. I’m not overly concerned about the backseat, since we don’t have kids yet, and I don’t *have* to be the dedicated chauffeur all the time, like I normally was with my Tahoe. It’ll be fine for carting people around town and some trips to the lake, but I won’t be taking 5 people on a cross country camping trip. Which is fine since I have no plans to ever do that ha.
For the price of the brand new Canyon, I can get a used Ram with >20k miles which would be bigger, but worse MPG, and a warranty that would be close to expired. (Unless I get CPO)
So what does Oppo think of the Canyon? Likes? Dislikes?
"Demon-Xanth knows how to operate a street." (demon-xanth)
06/28/2017 at 09:54, STARS: 0
I own an ‘06 Ram. I regularly eye the Canyon in the parking lot.
"The Stig's Missourian Cousin" (zachelliott)
06/28/2017 at 09:56, STARS: 0
I had an 08 Ram when I graduated high school (graduation gift) and I loved it, but it was way too expensive for a poor college kid to be driving so I sold it. I’d love to get into that generation Ram again, but finding one with low miles (and it’d have zero warranty) for a price worth going for is impossible. I can find them with ~60k on them, but when they want $23k-$24k for that truck, no way.
"Discerning" (discerning2003c5z)
06/28/2017 at 09:59, STARS: 0
Anyone know if GM has sorted out all of the issues that the 3.6L has had over the years? Oil consumption, timing chain wear, etc? I get that it’s a new block and heads this time around, but did they address those issues?
Also, does GM have anything to mitigate carbon buildup, like Toyota’s D4S - self cleaning thing?
"Arrivederci" (arrividerci)
06/28/2017 at 09:59, STARS: 0
I think I’d go with the Canyon - since the new ones are nicely discounted, maybe you could even find one CPO to get additional warranty and maybe a higher trim for the same price.
"awmaster10" (awmaster10)
06/28/2017 at 10:00, STARS: 0
Those canyons look nice. Any reason youre not looking at other full sizes besides the ram?
"The Stig's Missourian Cousin" (zachelliott)
06/28/2017 at 10:02, STARS: 1
Price point mostly. I want to tow, and so anything with a V6 (minus the F150 Ecoboost) is out. And finding a Silverado that’s newer with lower miles for my price range is hard. I’ve came across a few within a couple hundred miles. I found a CPO with like 40k miles on it, but that’s still a lot of miles, even for being CPO. Ram seems to be the only model consistently below $26k with low enough miles for me to consider. Sure other brands *do* come up every once in a while, but Ram is consistent so i’ve mostly been focusing on that.
"The Stig's Missourian Cousin" (zachelliott)
06/28/2017 at 10:04, STARS: 0
It’s interesting. The higher trim models aren’t discounted worth a damn (Maybe $2k, if you’re lucky $3k) since they fly off the lot. I read on a forum that dealers can hardly keep Colorado LTs on the lot. So the SLE/SLT tend to not need a discount. But I guess they decided to really move the base models and put a $6k discount on them. I thought it was a fluke, but two dealers have the exact same setup. The one in IL has over 200(!!!) Canyons in stock. The dealer in OK, has 43 Canyons. They seem to be high volume, and are the only ones that carry the base.
Even in CPO, it’s been incredibly hard to find a higher trim in my price range.
"Smallbear wants a modern Syclone, local Maple Leafs spammer" (smallbear94)
06/28/2017 at 10:07, STARS: 0
I like how they handle/ride. Steering was a bit odd, but not in a bad way—besides it was easy to get used to.
I don’t like the V6 or the transmission tuning that goes with it. It never felt like it had any zip to me. The Duramax on the other hand... that was a nice machine.
I didn’t like the instrumentation. Seemed to small and oddly positioned. The seats didn’t really adjust to where I liked them.
I did like the interior as a whole. Nicely put together and attractive.
All in all, a nice truck, but I feel like they fixed all the things that were wrong with the old truck and forgot about the things that were right... If I did get one, there’s no way it would have any engine other than the Duramax though.
"Smallbear wants a modern Syclone, local Maple Leafs spammer" (smallbear94)
06/28/2017 at 10:12, STARS: 0
http://oppositelock.kinja.com/got-to-drive-a-new-colorado-yesterday-1772445465
"Slant6" (slant-6)
06/28/2017 at 10:12, STARS: 0
What’s so great about XM that it’s a requirement? I always saw it as an expensive gimmick. I figured for what you pay monthly for it you can get a bigger data plan and stream custom playlists.
"The Stig's Missourian Cousin" (zachelliott)
06/28/2017 at 10:12, STARS: 0
What year did you drive/own? The 2017 has the new 8 Speed transmission and a new V6 and it felt super smooth and plenty of power.
"adamftw" (adamftw)
06/28/2017 at 10:13, STARS: 1
The Dodges are cheaper (when they used and when they’re new) for a reason. Get the Canyon.
"Smallbear wants a modern Syclone, local Maple Leafs spammer" (smallbear94)
06/28/2017 at 10:15, STARS: 0
Just posted a link.
http://oppositelock.kinja.com/got-to-drive-a-new-colorado-yesterday-1772445465
It would have been a 6-speed. It just felt like it had NOTHING down low. Which is where I like to drive most of the time.
"Textured Soy Protein" (texturedsoyprotein)
06/28/2017 at 10:16, STARS: 0
Colorado & Canyon are my favorite pickups* right now.
They’re not huge, they have full-time 4wd (not some stupid part-time shift-on-the-fly setup that the manufacturer cheaped out on because they think pickup buyers are stupid and won’t notice the difference**), and once you get up to the Colorado Z71 or Canyon SLE you also get an automatic locking rear differential.
* I am not a pickup person.
** Too many truck folks think if you get full-time 4wd you lose off-road capability. But the transfer case on the Canyon & Colorado has the following modes:
Both 4 high and 4 low lock the transfer case just like a part-time setup. But you also have the auto (basically awd) mode for on-road, bad weather driving.
"The Stig's Missourian Cousin" (zachelliott)
06/28/2017 at 10:16, STARS: 0
I hate talking on radio. I hate ads. So local FM stations are out. I decided to give SXM a try on a road trip once in a rental and fell in love. Yea I have Google Play Music that I could stream on my phone, but if i’m out of service, or don’t have much left on my data plan, it’s not as useful. For $10 a month, it’s worth it.
"The Stig's Missourian Cousin" (zachelliott)
06/28/2017 at 10:17, STARS: 1
Ok. Yea i’ve heard the 8 speed is an improvement over the 6 speed, and specifically addresses the low end issues. I didn’t have any issues with it, and it felt plenty torquey to me.
"The Stig's Missourian Cousin" (zachelliott)
06/28/2017 at 10:19, STARS: 1
Yea i’m probably gonna get 2WD. I do live in the midwest where we get snow, but I can work remote and my wife’s job would close if the weather was bad, so if the weather is bad enough I would need 4x4, I don’t need to be getting out in it anyway. Plus, I grew up in the midwest, and know how to drive anything in the snow, so I’m better in a 2WD truck than a lot of guys I know in a 4x4 that grew up in places like TX
"Smallbear wants a modern Syclone, local Maple Leafs spammer" (smallbear94)
06/28/2017 at 10:20, STARS: 0
If it feels good to you that’s all that matters. I had other, minor issues, but the engine was the biggest disappointment. If that doesn’t apply to you it’s a nice truck otherwise. Do it.
"The Stig's Missourian Cousin" (zachelliott)
06/28/2017 at 10:20, STARS: 0
Yea i’ve had a few friends give me crap since I was looking at the Ram. I understand they’ve gotten their act together more over the years and are more reliable and higher quality, but I still have my hesitations.
"Akio Ohtori - RIP Oppo" (akioohtori)
06/28/2017 at 10:22, STARS: 0
I would pay extra not to have XM on my car. Seriously. When I bought my Volvo I (a) refused to acknowledge it as an paid option during negotiations (insane and pointless, I know, but it threw the salesman off guard) and (b) when I caught him calling XM to activate it I insisted he hang up. I don’t want the trial... then they’ll know I have XM and pester me endlessly. Luckily, it took XM like... two years to figure out I had a car equipped with it. Then the monthly SPECIAL PROMOTIONAL OFFER JUST FOR YOU letters started...
"Textured Soy Protein" (texturedsoyprotein)
06/28/2017 at 10:27, STARS: 0
The automatic locking diff is also available on 2wd. I would definitely get that if going with 2wd. But the 4x4 as you can see above has a 2wd mode so you can leave it in that most of the year and click it into 4wd auto when the weather gets messy.
"lone_liberal" (token-liberal)
06/28/2017 at 10:32, STARS: 0
My wife and I like XM/Sirius for road trips as we are always able to find a good compromise between our tastes and the yammering is kept to a minimum. The only problem we have is we are in the PNW and road trips inevitably take us through mountains and the satellites get blocked. Even the ridge above our house blocks it since we’re far enough north to make the satellites lower in the sky. We still keep it, though, and my wife uses their streaming at work.
"adamftw" (adamftw)
06/28/2017 at 10:32, STARS: 1
I’m not some brand-hater, but the 1500 Dodges just aren’t the best quality. The 3/4 and 1 tons are great, and you can’t beat the Cummins but thats a whole different category. IMHO Chevy makes the best 1/2 tons by a large margin. I do like the Canyon/Colorado better than that Tacomas as well.
"The Stig's Missourian Cousin" (zachelliott)
06/28/2017 at 10:37, STARS: 1
Yea we live on the great plains of Missouri (ok, KC isn’t really the great plains) so the only time we have issues is overpasses. There’s a terrestrial repeater in downtown KCMO so even tall buildings don’t jack with it. But we couldn’t live without it. My wife and I both love it, and I haven’t listened to FM in probably 6 months.
"Smallbear wants a modern Syclone, local Maple Leafs spammer" (smallbear94)
06/28/2017 at 10:38, STARS: 0
Not trying to go all semantics here, but it’s the only way to draw the lines that I know.
Full-time AWD is typically 3 open differentials and no way of disconnecting one set of wheels. Power is distributed at the discretion of the computer, using brakes or clutch packs. This is suitable to run 100% of the time on the road because of the center diff.
Part-time AWD does the same thing except it has a clutch in between the front and rear wheels so it can operate in 2WD for fuel savings.
4WD systems have no center differential. As a result, there is no such thing as a “Full-time 4WD” system. It would tear the driveline to bits. As a result you have to engage the transfer case to get all 4 wheels churning.
What you are referring to as Full-time 4WD (Auto 4WD) is just an ordinary 4WD system with an extra clutch somewhere between the engine and front wheels. The thing is, if it was actuated normally, it would be way too slow. So what you have, essentially, is a 4WD system that’s broke in the middle but still putting load on the engine. In other words, while it CAN be used all the time, you’re better off not using it.
HammerheadFistpunch has a few posts on this, 4WD will, in most cases, put down more torque where you want it because of the way AWD systems operate. So yes, by going to AWD you may lose some offroad ability. Auto 4x4 won’t have that penalty but may be less durable in the long run. Dunno.
"The Stig's Missourian Cousin" (zachelliott)
06/28/2017 at 10:39, STARS: 0
Yea I don’t think the base model I’m probably going to get has the locking diff. But I may be wrong. But if I can find a CPO used that does, i’d be happy to spring for that.
"The Stig's Missourian Cousin" (zachelliott)
06/28/2017 at 10:41, STARS: 0
Understand completely. My family has always been a Mopar family so I tended to be a bit biased, but given the issues they’ve had over the years i’m certainly hesitant.
I owned a 2013 Tacoma and liked it, but it felt out of date. The new ones with the new engine are amazing, but way out of my price range.
"Little Black Coupe Turned Silver" (littleblackcoupe)
06/28/2017 at 10:51, STARS: 0
This is exactly why I got my Colorado. I need to tow, but not anything huge. I also looked at used Silverados, and couldn’t find anything. I love my little truck and my parents liked it so much that they got a Canyon.
"Gone" (goneforever1234567890)
06/28/2017 at 10:52, STARS: 1
Do not get the pre-’17 V6! The 6spd sucks and the 8spd/LGX V6 is a great combo. There’s a huge difference how they drive. Any trim combo with the V6 has the G80 Eaton diff as an option. Easy to check the door tag RPO codes for the G80 to make sure anything pre-owned has it.
Laura will have the best prices on the Canyons. Colorados are kinda a crap-shoot for best deals. Most likely I will get a ‘Rado next year, perhaps in ZR2 diesel form. I’ve driven a few of the V6 combos, but not the diesel. Soon.
"The Stig's Missourian Cousin" (zachelliott)
06/28/2017 at 11:00, STARS: 0
Yea I can’t find Colorados anywhere close new to the price of the Canyon that laura (and Ferguson GMC in Norman, OK) is offering which is weird since GMC Is the “professional” brand and Chevy is the “poor” brand. But yea everything i’ve read said get a 17.
"Textured Soy Protein" (texturedsoyprotein)
06/28/2017 at 11:27, STARS: 1
Nope nope nope.
I am a differential nerd and this is not accurate.
Awd is not typically three open differentials with traction control distributing things. That’s how Mercedes does it, and Toyota did it on the 1st gen Sequoia until it was upgraded to a Torsen center differential in ’05. But open center differentials are the exception, not the usual.
When talking about vehicles without a shiftable transfer case, awd is most often one of the two setups:
Center limited-slip differential of some kind: viscous, gearset, hydraulically- or computer-actuated clutch type
Power takeoff unit: computer-actuated coupling from transaxle to rear axle with varying degrees of proactive vs. reactive programming
In vehicles with a shiftable transfer case, awd or full-time 4wd is one of several modes available on the transfer case, and the most common setups are:
Center LSD
Computer-actuated clutch that may vary from from a basic auto lock/unlock mechanism, to allowing some slip to mimic the behavior of an LSD
In vehicles with a shiftable transfer case and a center LSD, they sometimes but not always offer a 2wd mode. But because it’s a center LSD, if there’s no 2wd mode, it’s essentially the same as any regular awd car without a shiftable transfer case, but it can be locked or put in low range.
In vehicles with a shiftable transfer case and no center LSD, like GM Autotrac or the old BorgWarner Torque-On-Demand, there is almost always a 2wd mode. It makes sense to leave it in 2wd mode most of the time, and 4wd auto, as long as it’s well-programmed, is the best option for on-road foul weather driving.
In both cases, while awd mode may have less off-road capability, as long as the transfer case locks and has low range, the vehicle has no loss of off-road capability. Because awd mode is not the only available mode.
Now for the asterisks:
Toyota had a brief foray into shiftable transfer cases with open center differentials regulated by traction control. But the only way to make an open center differential work is with constant traction control intervention, and that sucks, which is why it’s far less common.
On some GM trucks at various points in the past, they had an Autotrac transfer case that had no 2wd or low range. They were basically in on-demand lock/unlock 4wd all the time. That was not a good setup. But that’s not something GM does anymore.
"camarov6rs" (mren2011)
06/28/2017 at 11:36, STARS: 0
You thought the canyon was a little small inside? It’s a good thing you aren’t in the market for a Tacoma then cuz the seating position in the one I sat in made the back seat feel basically useless. This was a 2016 full 4-door model and I’m barely 5' 9".
"Smallbear wants a modern Syclone, local Maple Leafs spammer" (smallbear94)
06/28/2017 at 11:38, STARS: 0
Welp, you’re clearly better informed than me. Colour me idiot.
"The Stig's Missourian Cousin" (zachelliott)
06/28/2017 at 13:55, STARS: 0
Last Tacoma i was in I was driving and not in the back seat, so I can’t speak much to that. But the Tacoma felt a bit more open inside, I think because everything was lower. Everything on the Canyon feels higher, like the beltline, console, etc.
"Carbon Fiber Sasquatch" (turbopumpkin)
06/28/2017 at 16:19, STARS: 2
A new GM vs a used FCA is a no brainer. Truck or not the GM is the better buy, plus the resale on the Canyonado twins is nearly that of the Taco.
I’m considering a Canyon or Colorado myself but I just can’t justify a truck right now lol. I really like them though
"The Stig's Missourian Cousin" (zachelliott)
06/28/2017 at 16:48, STARS: 1
Seems to be a pretty consistent opinion from Oppo haha. Yea I just found out a local dealer (who will do a dealer trade with one of the dealers that actually has one) has deals through my workplace, so I can get $1k extra on my trade, which will accelerate the process a bit. Hopefully here in 6 months or so i’ll be behind the wheel!
"Carbon Fiber Sasquatch" (turbopumpkin)
06/28/2017 at 17:00, STARS: 0
The only thing I forgot to add is unless you’re dead set against a full size, you may be able to find a Silverado/Sierra with the same features for the same price only with a V8. The rebates on Silverados are absolutely absurd
"The Stig's Missourian Cousin" (zachelliott)
06/28/2017 at 17:30, STARS: 0
Haven’t seen one in my budget. Closest I can get is a Sierra with a V8 for $3k more than my max budget (from that same dealer with the Canyon) which, it’ll be hard to go down $3k more on an already discounted truck. I think at this point i’m pretty set on the Canyon, unless some amazing deal falls in my lap with a full size.
"jkm7680" (jkm7680)
06/28/2017 at 18:41, STARS: 0
I’m honestly not a huge fan of the Canyon/Colorado. They’re for sure a million times better than the previous generation, but considering what they are, they just seem super expensive. The interiors are also very average looking. That being said, I’d probably still buy one but would prefer a Tacoma.
The Ram 1500 really isn’t bad at all. They aren’t that unreliable and have decent options on them, even in fairly base model form. The 5.7 is also a really great engine, what they lose with fuel economy they make up with power and sound.
Also, the Frontier is complete shit. I honestly don’t understand at all why somebody would buy an upper trim level one new. The competition is much better and the Frontier isn’t quite cheap enough to buy just because its slightly better than the other options.
"Carbon Fiber Sasquatch" (turbopumpkin)
06/28/2017 at 20:22, STARS: 0
Fair enough, I know around here in Central Ohio they get pretty close features for features.
"cluelessk" (cluelessk)
06/28/2017 at 20:35, STARS: 0
Buy a used Tacoma. It’ll actually keep some value and you won’t take the deprecation hit.
"The Stig's Missourian Cousin" (zachelliott)
06/28/2017 at 20:53, STARS: 0
Yea but every used Taco i’ve found for around $25k has almost 60k miles on it or more. Yea it’s a Toyota and yea it’ll last, and I had a 2013 Tacoma, and I liked it, but after riding in a 2017, I don’t think I could go back to the last gen.
"mr_bots" (mr-bots)
06/28/2017 at 20:56, STARS: 1
Bought a 17 Canyon two months and 2700 miles ago and love the truck. The LGZ is loud on cold starts (pushing 2700psi on cold starts to the fuel rail so the fuel pump is working it’s ass off) but quiets down fairly quickly. The 8 speed is nice with smooth and quick shifts. Doesn’t take much to downshift on the highway but with the close gear spacing it isn’t annoying. Averaging just under 22mpg with a mix of city and highway which I’m happy with for a crew cab 4x4. Comfortable and quiet too.
"The Stig's Missourian Cousin" (zachelliott)
06/28/2017 at 20:56, STARS: 0
Yea my mom had an Xterra, which was similar, and I remember the shit MPG, rough ride, and uncomfortable seats. Rode in a Frontier last week (coworker’s) and I just couldn’t understand why anyone would buy one unless it was just some amazing deal. But for the price of the Canyon, I don’t know why anyone would do the Frontier.
And yea, I know the Ram 1500 isn’t a total piece of shit like some say, but when comparing the options, the Canyon seems like the better deal.
"The Stig's Missourian Cousin" (zachelliott)
06/28/2017 at 20:58, STARS: 0
22 MPG is great! I average around 15 combined in my Tahoe, so just about any new truck is gonna get better than my current vehicle. But that’s one of the main draws to the Canyon. If I can pull close to 25 or higher when on roadtrips, that’s perfect. I know towing MPG is gonna suck, and i’ll get closer to 12 or 13, but at the same time, the day to day mileage makes up for it.
"jkm7680" (jkm7680)
06/28/2017 at 21:03, STARS: 0
I think the Frontier only exists for fleets. I can’t imagine why somebody would time travel into 2017, just to find the 2006 Frontier still exists.
"The Stig's Missourian Cousin" (zachelliott)
06/28/2017 at 21:07, STARS: 0
I mean, if it were like $16k new (ie, the Versa of Pickups) I’d totally understand. But when you can easily pay $30k+ for one, it just doesn’t make sense. I know we’re supposed to get the Navara over here as the Frontier, but god damn make it happen Nissan.
"jkm7680" (jkm7680)
06/28/2017 at 21:20, STARS: 0
Exactly. I’m honestly not a fan of the Navara, looks really bloated.
"Racin'Jason001" (racinjason001)
06/28/2017 at 22:31, STARS: 0
Did you test drive the V6, or the small Duramax Diesel?
"shop-teacher" (shop-teacher)
06/28/2017 at 22:35, STARS: 0
DEFINITELY the Canyon. At a price like that, I’d probably buy one myself if I needed a new truck.
"mr_bots" (mr-bots)
06/28/2017 at 22:36, STARS: 0
I think GM sorted out most of the issues when the LFX came out back in 2012ish.
Though since the LGX/LGZ is a clean-sheet that’s only been out since 16 it’s too early to tell what, if any issues it’ll have.
GM didn’t go to a port and direct injection system like Toyota’s D4-S (or Ford’s latest) but with a complicated PCV system that hasn’t quite came to be understood but appears to seperate the air out and dump the rest to the sump. Which if true will keep the intake much cleaner but will also be harder on oil. Will be interesting to see fuel content when the oil analysis for these engines become more common on the net.
"E92M3" (E46M3)
06/28/2017 at 22:40, STARS: 1
The bed sides are too high, you need a stool to reach anything. Other than that, they are nice. Interior is much better than the Taco, and Frontier.
I have my heart set on a new Ridgeline.
"The Stig's Missourian Cousin" (zachelliott)
06/29/2017 at 09:35, STARS: 1
V6. No way I can afford a Duramax
"The Stig's Missourian Cousin" (zachelliott)
06/29/2017 at 09:36, STARS: 0
Yea everything in the truck felt tall. The door sills, the console, the dash, the entire beltline of the truck was high. So I did notice that about the sides, but I’m not too worried.
I do like the Ridgeline, but at 5k towing capacity, I want something more than that.
"Future next gen S2000 owner" (future-next-gen-s2000-owner)
06/29/2017 at 12:39, STARS: 0
If Canyons where that price when I bought my Tacoma, I would have bought one instead.
But I find the base seats horribly uncomfortable - back issues - and the manual option along with resale value on the Tacoma was too much for the Canyon to overcome.
"The Stig's Missourian Cousin" (zachelliott)
06/29/2017 at 13:00, STARS: 0
I’ve not driven a base model yet. The one I drove was an All Terrain SLE which was nicer. I do need to find a way to drive one somehow just to confirm that the difference in seats isn’t terrible.
"Future next gen S2000 owner" (future-next-gen-s2000-owner)
06/29/2017 at 13:21, STARS: 0
There is no adjustable lumbar support on the base Canyons. You have to get the SLE package, at least that was the case when I was doing my research.
"The Stig's Missourian Cousin" (zachelliott)
06/29/2017 at 13:53, STARS: 0
Ah yea it looks like it. The SLE we drove had power lumbar. But looking at the manual, power lumbar looks to be the only option. it does have power forward/back though which is interesting. I don’t think it’ll be a big deal, I don’t know that we’ve ever adjusted the lumbar in our vehicles now. But i’ll have to make a drive probably to St Louis to make sure it’s comfy.
"E92M3" (E46M3)
06/29/2017 at 15:02, STARS: 0
I understand, that is a deal breaker for a lot of people. I rarely tow at all, and if I needed to tow more than that, it would be another vehicle. I’d just pay for a tow truck if it came to that. I’m willing to give up the extra towing capacity for a better everyday driving experience.
"The Stig's Missourian Cousin" (zachelliott)
06/29/2017 at 15:08, STARS: 0
I like camping. My Tahoe is the worse configuration possible for towing (engine/axle ratio) so i’m limited to around 5800 lbs. Which it’s just my wife and I, so a small camper doesn’t weigh much. But if I ever want to tow something bigger, I can’t. The Canyon gives me more flexibility, so that if I want to take a longer trip with friends in a bigger, heavier camper, I can.
"Xyl0c41n3" (i-am-xyl0c41n3)
06/29/2017 at 15:55, STARS: 0
My brother has a Canyon. I’ve only driven it a couple of times, so I can’t critique it too much, but I do like it. It’s really comfy for four adults, handles easy, and its size makes it easy to fit in a lot of tight spaces, especially considering all the bro trucks here in Texas.
Maybe the only down side is that the truck bed is kinda small. My brother likes to cycle so he got a bike rack that fits in the bed. He has to remove the front wheel of his bike to get it to fit.
That said, I’m not really a truck person at all. But I like my brother’s truck.
"The Stig's Missourian Cousin" (zachelliott)
06/29/2017 at 16:02, STARS: 1
Yea my wife of all people was concerned about the bed size. I wasn’t really too worried. Most of what i’d be hauling will just be home improvement type stuff, so as long as I can haul some wood or maybe some appliances at some point, i’ll be good.
"E92M3" (E46M3)
06/29/2017 at 17:19, STARS: 0
Understood. If i had a place to store a camper I’d probably have one. Would love to have an old Airstream someday.
"The Stig's Missourian Cousin" (zachelliott)
06/29/2017 at 17:27, STARS: 0
We don’t have a place to store one, and don’t do it enough to justify buying, but being able to rent one or borrow one and tow it out to the lake for a weekend, or taking vacations with it is great and having a vehicle to tow it is important.