by "Bryan doesn't drive a 1M" (bryantakespictures)
Published 06/22/2017 at 15:50
by "Bryan doesn't drive a 1M" (bryantakespictures)
Published 06/22/2017 at 15:50
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Politics, but not trying to be partisan...
Supporters of George W Bush would chant “USA! USA!” and it was obnoxious, but at least it was sort of patriotic.
Even during Obama’s term, people on the right would chant “USA! USA!” when they got a “win” against him.
Now? People chant “Trump! Trump! Trump!” any time the right wins the tiniest victory.
I don’t care what party you’re from, that’s terrifying.
"Berang" (berang)
06/22/2017 at 15:54, STARS: 39
I don’t think most trump voters can spell U.S.A.
"Bytemite" (bytemite)
06/22/2017 at 15:55, STARS: 0
Easy. United States of ‘Mericuh.
"EL_ULY" (uly)
06/22/2017 at 15:58, STARS: 1
d’awww how cute :] Let them be happy for those little victories. Those peeps are usually all angry, drowning in fear, drowning in hate/prejudice but more importantly, anger from being sexually deprived lolz. Let them cheer and be happy for those little moments I say. Poor chaps don’t see too much glee in their day to days :]
"Monkey B" (monkeyb)
06/22/2017 at 15:59, STARS: 10
I don’t think this administration has done anything worth a celebratory chant from anyone.
"Your boy, BJR" (jerseyshoreben)
06/22/2017 at 16:00, STARS: 0
Savage.
"R Saldana [|Oo|======|oO|] - BTC/ETH/LTC Prophet" (r-saldana)
06/22/2017 at 16:00, STARS: 5
the best thing that could happen is we manage to survive the next 3+ years under this fool without a foreign war or major stateside terrorist attack and the Dems have viable strong candidates in the mid terms and during the next general election.
"MonkeePuzzle" (monkeypuzzle)
06/22/2017 at 16:02, STARS: 3
this made my day
"interstate366, now In The Industry" (interstate366)
06/22/2017 at 16:03, STARS: 3
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"Bryan doesn't drive a 1M" (bryantakespictures)
06/22/2017 at 16:03, STARS: 0
Agreed, but it hasn’t stopped them.
Most recent was Handel’s victory, where they cheered Trump’s name, not hers, and not USA.
"PatBateman" (PatBateman)
06/22/2017 at 16:04, STARS: 2
USM! USM! USM!
"PatBateman" (PatBateman)
06/22/2017 at 16:06, STARS: 9
I would really love it if the Ds marched out a moderate candidate, because that will cause a landslide victory for them. Anyone perceived as Far Left will have a tough time in 2020.
I’m good with The Rock at this point.
"PatBateman" (PatBateman)
06/22/2017 at 16:08, STARS: 2
The “Trump” chants are more for trolling the other side of the political aisle. Stupid, really.
"Wagonlife740" (wagonlife740)
06/22/2017 at 16:10, STARS: 0
Jesus people, racist people, anti-gay people... they have all been very nervous in the last 8 years. The whole BLM thing, the whole gay marriage thing, the whole poor people getting benefits thing, the whole people that are different then I am everywhere I go thing makes those people very uncomfortable. They look at Trump as the guy that is changing all that for them. So they totally see him as their “savior”.
...and perhaps since everything he stands for is quite un-american, “Trump” is more fitting than “U.S.A.”
"TheHondaBro" (wwaveform)
06/22/2017 at 16:11, STARS: 2
COTD
"DrDDay" (drdday)
06/22/2017 at 16:19, STARS: 12
That’s because as much as these people want to blame everything on immigration, and brown people, and poor people, and liberals, when it comes down to it, they are what is wrong with America, and the world really. They are the bottom feeders of society, and they want to be able to divert your eyes from themselves.
"haveacarortwoorthree2" (haveacarortwoorthree2)
06/22/2017 at 16:20, STARS: 1
To be clear, there are a lot of people on “the right” who don’t support Trump. And there are a lot of Obama supporters that voted for Trump. See link below. Now a large percentage of the people who did vote for Trump certainly did it because of his cult of personality, and I suspect those are the people who are chanting “Trump.” They also are the people most likely to be harmed by his actions.
"fintail" (fintail)
06/22/2017 at 16:20, STARS: 1
I guess they aren’t tired of winning yet.
"yamahog" (yamahog)
06/22/2017 at 16:25, STARS: 15
There is no “far left” in the Democratic Party. Literally everyone they trot out is a milquetoast establishment moderate, and clearly that’s not working.
"nerd_racing" (nerd189)
06/22/2017 at 16:27, STARS: 1
Independent/Libertarian leaning and I would vote for The Rock.
"Klaus Schmoll" (klausschmoll)
06/22/2017 at 16:31, STARS: 9
The terminology used by the Trump camp has disturbing similarities to 1930s Germany. Remember the “Media bias survey” thing they did a few months ago? They referred to themselves as “our movement”. “Fake news” = Lügenpresse, a term coined by the Nazis. The heck, he even had his sheeple raise their right paw during the campaign.
They also planted a feeling of us vs. them... personal cult.... whatever.... Shit’s real!
"Future next gen S2000 owner" (future-next-gen-s2000-owner)
06/22/2017 at 16:32, STARS: 0
Trump is too dumb to be a dictator.
"PatBateman" (PatBateman)
06/22/2017 at 16:32, STARS: 1
So you are telling me that Nancy Pelosi is a moderate?
Besides that, I said that anyone PERCEIVED as Far Left. The DNC can march a candidate who has their desk planted firmly in the center aisle, but if voters PERCEIVE that person as being Far Left, it won’t work.
This is a wide-spread problem in elections, especially as of late.
"BobintheMtns" (bobinthemtns)
06/22/2017 at 16:35, STARS: 0
Putin disagrees.............
"BobintheMtns" (bobinthemtns)
06/22/2017 at 16:36, STARS: 0
Ummm... Al Gore, John Kerry and Hillary would like to disagree... oh wait.................................................
"ADabOfOppo; Gone Plaid (Instructables Can Be Confusable)" (adabofoppo)
06/22/2017 at 16:42, STARS: 3
Agreed. A ‘moderate’ might pull in a few disaffected Rpub voters, but it also has been costing the Dems more votes from their base.
And given that the Dem base is utterly fragmented, I am not that optimistic they can convince enough people to 1)actually go vote 2) vote for a not perfect candidate in order to get enough people on the same team playing in the game.
"davesaddiction @ opposite-lock.com" (davesaddiction)
06/22/2017 at 16:46, STARS: 6
I would vote for a rock before Trump.
"Klaus Schmoll" (klausschmoll)
06/22/2017 at 16:49, STARS: 3
But Bannon et al aren’t. He’s just a storefront.
"sm70- why not Duesenberg?" (sm70-whynotduesenberg)
06/22/2017 at 16:53, STARS: 0
Amen!
"sm70- why not Duesenberg?" (sm70-whynotduesenberg)
06/22/2017 at 16:53, STARS: 0
I am sorry I only have one start to give you.
"R Saldana [|Oo|======|oO|] - BTC/ETH/LTC Prophet" (r-saldana)
06/22/2017 at 17:00, STARS: 1
I would like to see Elizabeth Warren, but I think you may be right about anything deemed far left being doomed
"Sir_Stig: and toxic masculinity ruins the party again." (sir-stig)
06/22/2017 at 17:04, STARS: 0
It’s the stupidest thing I’ve ever seen, trump and bernie supporters would take a guaranteed kick to the balls it it meant the chance of it happening to a “librul” or “killary” supporter. You can’t read a comment section now without someone saying that “you lost” or “at least it’s not killary”. It beggars belief.
"nermal" (nermal)
06/22/2017 at 17:11, STARS: 0
Not really. We have systems in place to prevent a dictatorship.
The only thing that I have noticed in this presidency as opposed to at least the last two is how downright nasty the president’s outspoken critics are. Personally I do not support the current administration 100%, but I think they are still doing a good job. The stock market has hit multiple all-time highs, there were several important executive orders passed, such as the anti-lobbying one and the opioid task force one. Arrests of illegal immigrants at the border are at an all-time low, as is unemployment. I can’t find fault with any of that.
That said, we’re still TBD on how the education and energy experiments works out. It’s been 90 days since the original travel ban, but we don’t have any more extreme vetting for immigrants or refugees. TBD on how things play out with Syria, Russia, and ISIS as well, although all are at best loose cannons.
"DrDDay" (drdday)
06/22/2017 at 17:18, STARS: 1
The thing with The Rock running for president is that if he runs as a Demo, not only will he obviously get all the left leaning votes, he’d also win all the wrestling crowd votes too by default.
Who does that leave to vote R?
"LongbowMkII" (longbowmkii)
06/22/2017 at 17:24, STARS: 8
nancy pelosi shits on universal healthcare and minimum wage increases at every opportunity. She wouldnt know left if she went to a Nascar race
"LongbowMkII" (longbowmkii)
06/22/2017 at 17:26, STARS: 2
we only have laws, laws can be ignored.
"PatBateman" (PatBateman)
06/22/2017 at 17:57, STARS: 1
Depending on what happens in the next 3 years, far right might be out of vogue as well.
The American Heartland spoke up this past election. They have the power to swing elections, and I just don’t see identity politics and pro-globalization stances doing well there for a while.
"PatBateman" (PatBateman)
06/22/2017 at 17:58, STARS: 0
It worked for Ronald Reagan.
"yamahog" (yamahog)
06/22/2017 at 18:02, STARS: 2
Nancy “We’re Capitalists and That’s the Way it is” Pelosi? Um, yes, exhibit A? lol
"bhtooefr" (bhtooefr)
06/22/2017 at 18:10, STARS: 0
You’re describing (global terms, not America’s fucked-up Overton window) center-left or even center-right corporate Democrats, not actual far left politicians.
"PatBateman" (PatBateman)
06/22/2017 at 18:10, STARS: 0
Being a capitalist doesn’t make one NOT farther from the aisle. Again, PERCEPTION.
"Santiago of Escuderia Boricua" (sdiglesias)
06/22/2017 at 18:12, STARS: 1
Far left would be actual Communists which don’t really exist politically here
"yamahog" (yamahog)
06/22/2017 at 18:18, STARS: 1
I disagree with both those points as well. The first I don’t have nearly enough time to dive into, and as far as the second - running an actual progressive/leftist candidate would do much better for turnout than trying to halfassedly attract GOP voters with a bland centrist who has a D next to their name, so frankly perception doesn’t matter. If your GOP opponent is going to call literally anything a socialist, who cares if you actually are one?
"yamahog" (yamahog)
06/22/2017 at 18:22, STARS: 3
you’re joking right
"PatBateman" (PatBateman)
06/22/2017 at 18:24, STARS: 0
I’m talking about in the realms of American politics. The terms “left” and “right” come from where in congress the politician’s desk sat in relation to the aisle. Conservatives sat on the right side of the aisle, liberals on the left. The Reps that sat farthest from the aisle had the least moderate ideologies, and were considered “far right” or “far left”, as they sat on the far sides of the chamber.
Communism, while considered a leftist idea, is not American politics.
"PatBateman" (PatBateman)
06/22/2017 at 18:28, STARS: 0
Who cares what either candidate calls the other person? People were calling Republicans “Fascists” and Democrats “Communists”. It doesn’t mean that most people believed them.
Our economy is Capitalist in nature. The alternative is for the government to seize all businesses and make them owned by the state. I don’t think there’s a member of congress advocating that.
"yamahog" (yamahog)
06/22/2017 at 18:32, STARS: 0
Yea, like I said... there is no “far left” in the DNC.
"BiTurbo228 - Dr Frankenstein of Spitfires" (biturbo228)
06/22/2017 at 18:52, STARS: 4
The issue with that, given my experience of how long political changes take to have an effect, is that most of those things will have been stuff put in train by the previous administration and just not stopped by the current one.
Wait 6 more months to see what the current administration is doing bear fruit.
"Santiago of Escuderia Boricua" (sdiglesias)
06/22/2017 at 19:00, STARS: 1
By this logic we should absolutely fill Democratic tickets with Democratic socialists to try and balance it out a bit
"Santiago of Escuderia Boricua" (sdiglesias)
06/22/2017 at 19:01, STARS: 1
You don’t have to seize all of them, just maybe some that their money by killing poor people
"Dusty Ventures" (dustyventures)
06/22/2017 at 19:19, STARS: 3
I don’t care who you are or where your political allegiances lie, “She wouldnt know left if she went to a Nascar race” is funny
"HFV has no HFV. But somehow has 2 motorcycles" (hondasfordsvolvo)
06/22/2017 at 19:26, STARS: 2
I saw some one wearing a “Hillary for Prison 2016" shirt today and thought “really you’re still thinking like that?”
Makes me think about how trump still to this day will brag about how much the won the electoral Vote by, and how many people were at his inauguration.
"Monkey B" (monkeyb)
06/22/2017 at 19:48, STARS: 2
the weird thing is it’s all so transparent what they are doing, the lies, the cronyism and absolute zero regard for adhering to what civil servants are supposed to be doing. It’s disgusting and I’m embarrassed that there are enough dim witted Americans that voted for this and still support it...especially when they are the ones who will suffer the most from this stuff.
The upside, if there can be one, is I don’t think the GOP will recover from this when the longer term repercussions are felt. They should lose enough support that we shouldn’t see another Republican president or majority house for quite some time. Then again, I’m counting on the same people that voted for him to see past their ignorance to keep this from happening again.
"R Saldana [|Oo|======|oO|] - BTC/ETH/LTC Prophet" (r-saldana)
06/22/2017 at 21:29, STARS: 1
I just don’t know how this nation can survive under the current administration. Exclusion, xenophobia, and racism seem to be dominant in the voices of Congressional Representatives.
Meanwhile the American populace is so busy tearing each other apart we are not even watching the shell game in DC.
Brave New World:
Bombarded with nonsense to the point that we are not interested in the real decisions being made.
"yamahog" (yamahog)
06/22/2017 at 21:37, STARS: 3
"merged-5876237249235911857-hrw8uc" (merged-5876237249235911857-hrw8uc)
06/22/2017 at 22:50, STARS: 0
I heard it today and it makes a lot of sense. The folks that voted for hr Cheeto in chief don’t think he’s doing a bad job, they are so detached from reality that they truely don’t understand what the rest of us are going on about. And that is sad.
"Berang" (berang)
06/23/2017 at 00:44, STARS: 0
Here’s the thing, just about anybody beside Hillary would have won. The problem with Hillary is that a lot of people still think of her as the Dick Chaney of the Clinton years. She had way too much baggage for moderate republicans, and way too much baggage for conservative democrats. Plus, she already lost out to Obama, so nominating her after that was a ridiculously idiotic blunder.
trump didn’t win the popular vote, and in all actuality only a tiny portion of eligible voters voted for him. His own party doesn’t really like him. His sycophants are loud and visible, sure, but so far as his own party is concerned, he’s a sucker, and will probably make a convenient fall guy if their schemes backfire. They can take him for a ride and if it blows up in everybody’s faces, they’ll blame him, the newcomer, for going along with it all.
"PatBateman" (PatBateman)
06/23/2017 at 08:42, STARS: 0
Do you think there’s a “far right” in the GOP, then?
"LongbowMkII" (longbowmkii)
06/23/2017 at 09:25, STARS: 1
Yes. There’s been a race right for the past 8 years.
"nermal" (nermal)
06/23/2017 at 09:50, STARS: 0
Nope.
"PatBateman" (PatBateman)
06/23/2017 at 11:20, STARS: 0
There’s always a far left and a far right in congress. The most conservative are the far right, the most liberal are the far left. Those paradigms shift over time, but that fact is constant.
What’s going on in this thread is that there’s conflation between perceived definitions of “far left” and “far right”. What I’m strictly talking about are the ideologies representatives have when compared to their peers. If the DNC runs a candidate in 2020 that is more conservative than their peers, yet more liberal than the right (i.e. a “moderate Democrat”), I think that they would have a better chance of winning the election than a rep who is in the “far left” category that I have laid out. It would be much harder for that candidate to be PERCEIVED as a member of the “far left” congressional side, despite what others say about them.
Does that make sense to you?
"LongbowMkII" (longbowmkii)
06/23/2017 at 11:42, STARS: 1
I meant within the republican party. Rep Steve King is half a beer away from suggesting a eugenics program.
I dont really care about democrats winning in 2020 or any other election. We’re at the point where the choices are Reagan(dem) or Trump(rep). Dem turnout has been absolute shit for the past 10 years aside from a once in a generation centrist. Despite what the perception is, Obama was a centrist. “dont kill each other and let’s outsource gov functions to private firms” If everyone agrees the sky is green doesn’t make it so.
The democrats are losing so many seats using the “third way” WJ Clinton paved. and stepping right to keep up with Bush/TeaParty since. They’d probably lose going “far left” buttheyre already losing thousands with this tactic.
For years my state rep was a dyed in the wool bluedog democrat. super conservative, but he was destroyed by a tea party guy by using the D (giggity) to tie him to Obama. No matter how far right a Dem is they’ll be painted as a liberal coming to steal your guns and institute sharia law. national Democrats are so concerned with optics that they miss the forest for the trees. For all the Republican’s faults the lack of a message isn’t one of them.
Stop worrying about perceptions and find a message. At least lose with some dignity.
"PatBateman" (PatBateman)
06/23/2017 at 13:06, STARS: 0
The DNC have to do a complete rehab of their message and their image. There was a NYT piece that said the same thing on Wednesday. They lost the blue collar union voters in middle America for whatever reason, and it has cost the dearly on the Federal level. Democrats only hold 16 governor’s positions, and they are the controlling party in only 13 state legislatures (if the information I’m reading is correct).
While you and I pay attention to messages, so many others don’t. That’s why perception is important in politics, communications, and life; without it, the message is ignored by too many.
"yamahog" (yamahog)
06/23/2017 at 13:27, STARS: 0
*creeeeeeaaaak*
the sounds of goalposts shifting
"PatBateman" (PatBateman)
06/23/2017 at 13:37, STARS: 0
You don’t think that congress has a “far left”, so I’m asking if you think it has a “far right”.
There are no goalposts here. This is supposed to be a civil political discussion by people on the outside looking in. It’s not a contest, it’s not a debate. It is a sharing of ideas and thoughts. If you don’t view it as such, then we won’t continue the discussion as I’m not trying to get into a debate.
If you’re looking for goalposts to kick through, look elsewhere.
"yamahog" (yamahog)
06/23/2017 at 13:38, STARS: 0
so you’ve never noticed “nasty” critics of anyyyy previous presidents and you don’t even mention healthcare (hundreds of thousands more people will die under this plan but it will make someone’s money happy).... or environmental protections (maybe let’s not resume dumping sludge into rivers, but what do I know).... or reproductive rights. I’m not sure why immigration is such a high priority for you but whatever.
"Sweet Trav" (thespunbearing)
06/23/2017 at 13:56, STARS: 2
No, we are not Capitalist by nature. We are a Oligarchical Socialist Economy. Between the Fed dumping wheelbarrows full of money into the market and artificially inflating it, and the corporate loopholes and tax breaks, we are far from a Capitalist economy. Both the GOP and the Democrats still think that the government should offer “tax incentives” to keep jobs and companies here, when all they do is shift the burden costs of the government from businesses to the labor class (non-business owners). This means that the businesses that rely on the government for roads, shipping lanes, the patent system, low interest capital, natural resources and other market “overheads” are not paying to support their own interests. Instead, the amount of free cash of the labor class is collapsing and will bring about the end of the successful market that exists in the USA. It’s hard to have an economy that thrives on mass consumption when the consumers pay the governmental burden of the producers AND are responsible for their own subsistence.
If you agree that Capitalism is required, the majority of excess labor and capital must return to the laborers to keep the machine going, and right now the stream is drying up and the machinery SHOULD be slowing down, but the government is still dumping good money after bad money, but I digress ... the concept of infinite growth is impossible and the USA isn’t Capitalist..
"PatBateman" (PatBateman)
06/23/2017 at 14:13, STARS: 0
I’m not trying to debate, but the US’ economy is capitalism. It isn’t pure free trade capitalism, but it’s capitalism by definition. And the definition is as follows (per Merriam-Webster):
“an economic system characterized by private or corporate ownership of capital goods, by investments that are determined by private decision, and by prices, production, and the distribution of goods that are determined mainly by competition in a free market .”
Most people don’t want pure capitalism anyways.
"Sweet Trav" (thespunbearing)
06/23/2017 at 14:18, STARS: 0
I agree with the definition, but the definition relies on the concept of a free market which does not, and never will exist, most importantly to our discussion does not and will never exist in the USA.
"LongbowMkII" (longbowmkii)
06/23/2017 at 16:07, STARS: 0
Nah, the GOP message over the past 40 years is loud and clear, the liberals/atheists/government/Mexicans/muslims/”others”/enemy du jour are going to kill you and/or raise your taxes, whichever is worse.
They’ve had an extensive network of media to support this message. Anyone can see that there is a vast conservative media in the US(for better and worse) but there is no left wing equivalent. Sure there’s the corporate media, but their goals and the left’s are diametrically opposed. See the WaPo/NYT/MSNBC (the ‘liberal’ boogeymen) complain about the cost of universal coverage, but ignore the costs of potentially engaging (more) in Syria.
"nermal" (nermal)
06/23/2017 at 16:09, STARS: 0
Obviously the past two presidents had their opposition, but not to the same degree as Trump. Were there protests held outside of Obama or Bush’s house the way they were outside of Trump Tower, just as one example?
You are correct that healthcare is an ongoing issue. If you invested in healthcare stocks prior to the ACA, you would notice quite handsome returns as a result, which have grown larger since the proposed AHCA. It’s not fixed by a long shot, there is still much work to be done there.
"yamahog" (yamahog)
06/23/2017 at 16:47, STARS: 0
Wow, protesting outside Trump Tower. That sure is nasty. Really makes lynching and burning effigies pale in comparison.
"nermal" (nermal)
06/23/2017 at 17:31, STARS: 0
Yup, Google and Bing both have multiple images of burning and / or hanging Trump effigies. Very nasty indeed.
"PatBateman" (PatBateman)
06/23/2017 at 22:19, STARS: 0
Both sides have the same problems law opposite complaints/paranoia about the other. And that concept has been around for centuries.
"Sweet Trav" (thespunbearing)
06/26/2017 at 09:07, STARS: 0
Sickness should not be a profit center. It’s not buying a car. If you’re rushed into an emergency room you don’t have the ability shop around for the best deal. You just need a doctor to save your life. Medicine does not operate like any other consumer market and should not be treated as a consumer market.