by "Rusty Vandura - www.tinyurl.com/keepoppo" (rustyvandura)
Published 06/17/2017 at 11:25
by "Rusty Vandura - www.tinyurl.com/keepoppo" (rustyvandura)
Published 06/17/2017 at 11:25
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So missing sailors could still be on board. (Today’s New York Times)
"facw" (facw)
06/17/2017 at 11:28, STARS: 3
Glad to see it is at least in port, and out of immediate danger, but yeah it doesn’t sound good for our missing sailors.
"TheBloody, Oppositelock lives on in our shitposts." (thebloody)
06/17/2017 at 11:32, STARS: 0
Not good, how did it happen? Flow visibility or was the other ship not running with it’s light’s on?
"facw" (facw)
06/17/2017 at 12:00, STARS: 2
Either way it should have been on radar. Someone screwed up badly. From what I’ve read, it seems like as the smaller, faster, more maneuverable ship, the Fitzgerald should have given way but did not (or I guess it could have Andrea Doria’ed and turned the wrong way). Will be interesting to read about how this actually happened.
"Dave the car guy , still here" (a3dave)
06/17/2017 at 12:52, STARS: 3
Not sure but I’d say , more than one person had to be at fault. I was on a ship for 7 years and had 2 close calls. Both were because deckhands and/or mates weren’t where they were supposed to be. When somebody leaves the bridge unattended to take a shit was one mistake we had. That military ship also has electronics that should be monitored at all time. They have to have radar, sonar , and other acoustic sensors its the norm. We even had much of that stuff and I was on a commercial oil exploration vessel. We could tell many types of ships in bad weather just from the acoustic signatures they gave off. We won’t hear all this story but some people are in deep shit and its likely 7 are dead because of a careless mistake.
"PatBateman" (PatBateman)
06/17/2017 at 13:43, STARS: 1
MASSIVE fuck ups. A US ship of war should know if there’s a rowboat miles away. A larger merchant ship being missed?! This was a catastrophic goof.
"Dave the car guy , still here" (a3dave)
06/17/2017 at 14:09, STARS: 0
I’m betting on dereliction of duty coming up with this mess.
"Rusty Vandura - www.tinyurl.com/keepoppo" (rustyvandura)
06/17/2017 at 16:20, STARS: 1
Perhaps both bridges were unattended. And didn’t the destroyer have lights on it? The captain was injured badly enough to be evacuated in the immediate aftermath; perhaps the prow of the tanker came through his stateroom.
Lack of training.
"Rusty Vandura - www.tinyurl.com/keepoppo" (rustyvandura)
06/17/2017 at 16:20, STARS: 1
Seems unlikely that the causes could be kept from the American people.
"rockingthe2" (unpredictable-swerve)
06/17/2017 at 16:47, STARS: 2
Ok, ex Navy sailor here. Served on the USS Porter (which was struck by a Japanese oil tanker a few years back) first off, with that amount of damage from a much heavier vessel, they are lucky not to be sunk. The spaces that took on water were two berthings, radio, and a machine space. If you notice under the starboard bridge wing, there is a panel there that looks a little wonky? If you see the port side, there is an antenna there. That’s not a small piece of metal, that’s multiple tons of steel folded like a pancake with a 3 ton antenna probably at the bottom of the harbor. The crushed portions getting into two berthings (berthings 2 and 4) means a very large percentage of the forward part of the ship is flooded. Those berthings stretch the width of the ship up forward. Radio is not a small space either, depending on which machine space got flooded, the ship would be very much in danger of sinking. Thankfully they are in port and I hope to God there is nobody in those berthings still, or that there is breathable air in there until they get rescued.
Now, for how that happens is most likely given the time (230am) the captain was in his stateroom and the officer of the deck (OOD) had the con. 230 am sucks no matter how you look at it, the helmsman was probably a junior enlisted person sleep deprived and just being told what to do, and the OOD may have been letting a junior officer get experience driving the ship, stepped away to smoke or use the head. There are a ton of ways that happens, usually the CO, XO, AND CMC are relieved of duty with NAV (navigational officer) on the chopping block with everyone else on the bridge that night. None of that will happen until the ship is safe, and the spaces are dewatered and checked for survivors or bodies. The damage looks like it avoided any critical spaces other than radio, which is good, but that ship will hit the yards for probably a solid year. I sincerely hope they don’t need any memorial plaques installed then.
"Frank Grimes" (FrankGrimes)
06/17/2017 at 16:55, STARS: 0
this is wierd. to me and what little I know it looks like the cargo ship whose route is in green turned around and then hit the US ship almost like it was intentional. of course it doesnt show the path of the US ship.
"facw" (facw)
06/17/2017 at 17:00, STARS: 0
Seems very unlikely it is intentional, but who knows what’s up with that track. I’m sure we’ll find out eventually.
Of course, I think getting intentionally rammed by a big slow freighter would somehow feel even more incompetent.
"Frank Grimes" (FrankGrimes)
06/17/2017 at 17:04, STARS: 0
yeah I know its unlikely. but its just wierd and that where my mind goes seeing the paths.
"Rusty Vandura - www.tinyurl.com/keepoppo" (rustyvandura)
06/17/2017 at 17:34, STARS: 0
Thank you for that report. The location of the accident is reported as “a busy shipping lane.” A photo that I posted looks like the entire ship got bent. Is the Porter the same class of ship as the Fitzgerald? What was your pay grade when you got out?
Do you think the captain’s stateroom might have been damaged, hence his injury and medical evacuation?
There is something compelling about how, even though the captain was asleep in his stateroom -- potentially -- he still owns this disaster. I bet the people who make admiral have a lot of soiled underwear to show for it.
"rockingthe2" (unpredictable-swerve)
06/17/2017 at 17:39, STARS: 1
Yeah, the Porter is a ddg as well. Look up the Porter accident and you will see how eerily similar the two were. The CO’s stateroom and his at sea stateroom would both be undamaged, but if he were sleeping, he could have been thrown from his bed into a wall. That’s a hard hit, anything not bolted down went flying.
"rockingthe2" (unpredictable-swerve)
06/18/2017 at 09:16, STARS: 0
Also I was mistaken, the COs cabin was destroyed
"Rusty Vandura - www.tinyurl.com/keepoppo" (rustyvandura)
06/18/2017 at 09:37, STARS: 0
I learned that as well. The fellow had only been captain for a month, I read.
"facw" (facw)
06/19/2017 at 13:27, STARS: 0
Japan is now saying that it happened at 1:30, which is where the freighter turns south, rather than 2:30 while it was cutting back east, which makes a lot more sense:
https://www.nytimes.com/2017/06/19/world/asia/ship-navy-collision-uss-fitzgerald-japan.html
You have the collision, then it continues, maybe gets called back by the Coast Guard or something, and then floats there for a bit before continuing back on its route.