by "bhtooefr" (bhtooefr)
Published 06/14/2017 at 19:59
by "bhtooefr" (bhtooefr)
Published 06/14/2017 at 19:59
Tags: questions
STARS: 1
We know a lot about what Oppo wants to drive, based on the many, many enthusiastic postings on here. However, what’s out there that you haven’t driven, but don’t want to drive?
Note, however, the following:
This isn’t about what you don’t want to own , just what you don’t want to drive.
If you’re morbidly curious about a car that has a terrible reputation, and want to see how bad it really is... you still want to drive it. (Recently, a friend of mine chose a Versa sedan with a CVT at a rental lot, out of such morbid curiosity. There’s a few cars that fit into that category for me, too.)
If you would turn down a drive out of fear for damaging the car, or fear for your life, that counts as not wanting to drive it. (I did turn down an opportunity to drive a modded R32 GT-R once, although that was situational - I wasn’t about to try to drive a high-powered RHD car (I’ve never driven RHD), on tight roads that I wasn’t familiar with. On more open roads, I’d have gone for it, so it wouldn’t count in this thread.)
"jkm7680" (jkm7680)
06/14/2017 at 20:00, STARS: 5
It WAS a first gen Prius.
I drove one belonging to my friend’s lady friend. It was as shit as I thought it would be.
"My citroen won't start" (lucasboechat)
06/14/2017 at 20:10, STARS: 3
Any of these hateful, hateful vehicles FIAT Brazil sells.
"Jordan and the Slowrunner, Boomer Intensifies" (jordanwphillips)
06/14/2017 at 20:11, STARS: 3
One of the Chinese 3-wheeles electric cars you could buy here for a little while, ZAP’s I think. While I’m generally up for driving anything, that just seems like the ultimate fire hazard.
"TheBlacktopExperiment" (theblacktopexperiment)
06/14/2017 at 20:14, STARS: 3
2018 Toyota CHR. Just because it’s so ugly, that I can barely stare at it, let alone be inside it. I couldn’t imagine driving a vehicle that hideous.
"beardsbynelly - Rikerbeard" (beardsbynelly-Rikerbeard)
06/14/2017 at 20:19, STARS: 1
copy paste comment but with the older Ssanyong Actyon
barf
"NojustNo" (front24200)
06/14/2017 at 20:20, STARS: 2
This seems relevant https://www.reddit.com/r/talesfromtechsupport/comments/2x1by3/the_land_speed_record/
"The Dragon" (the420dragon)
06/14/2017 at 20:20, STARS: 1
Your car.
"sm70- why not Duesenberg?" (sm70-whynotduesenberg)
06/14/2017 at 20:21, STARS: 4
Chevy Aveo. I’m fine not actually knowing how terrible it is.
"Powershiftmedia-ResidentDSMGuru" (matt-powershiftmedia)
06/14/2017 at 20:22, STARS: 1
For me, the Kia Soul. I’ll elaborate.
Boxy shape that is completely useless. Cargo space is minimal, back seat room is minimal, performance is minimal. Public transportation over that any day haha.
"jasmits" (jasmits)
06/14/2017 at 20:24, STARS: 0
Ahhh my grandma had one of those. She actually offered it to me at one point, I encouraged her to sell it as nicely as possible(I already had two cars anyway). Just about any other car I would’ve taken because the best kind of car is a free one. Even a slushbox Corolla or you-name-it classic terrible old lady car would make a good mode of transportation.
I’m not above much, but I just couldn’t do a baby-blue first-gen Prius.
"Carsbikesscooters" (carsbikesandscooters)
06/14/2017 at 20:25, STARS: 1
Dodge Caliber.
"jkm7680" (jkm7680)
06/14/2017 at 20:27, STARS: 0
It was absolutely horrible. To drive and to generally be around. She always told us “nobody chooses to drive a Prius, I hate this thing too.”
I literally moved it in a parking lot from one space to another before deciding I never wanted to lay eyes on it ever again. The fact that they have spoilers on them just made it worse. The only thing I give them credit for was having that screen thingy, which makes it feel a lot newer than it actually was.
"Honeybunchesofgoats" (honeybunche0fgoats)
06/14/2017 at 20:28, STARS: 0
Any 90s domestic econobox I haven’t already driven.
Tesla
Chrysler 200
Trax/Encore
H3 Hummer
"404 - User No Longer Available" (toni-cipriani)
06/14/2017 at 20:29, STARS: 2
Any new and upcoming crossover or SUV.
Sorry, I’m just not interested, I don’t care how of significance some may be.
"Junkrat aka Rick Sanchez: Fury Road Edition" (realasabass)
06/14/2017 at 20:30, STARS: 0
It was the Grand Caravan. Unfortunately I now have one as my work vehicle. I guess it is the Dart now.
"404 - User No Longer Available" (toni-cipriani)
06/14/2017 at 20:32, STARS: 1
Leave it to the Chinese to make a copy of a copy.
"BaconSandwich is tasty." (baconsandwich)
06/14/2017 at 20:32, STARS: 0
I don’t think they look that bad. Are they really that terrible to drive?
"jasmits" (jasmits)
06/14/2017 at 20:33, STARS: 0
I drove it a few times over the years, it was just so bad.
It isn’t even just how it drives, being a Prius it makes a statement that I do not want to make.
"wiffleballtony" (wiffleballtony)
06/14/2017 at 20:34, STARS: 1
Even if it’s a manual.
"My citroen won't start" (lucasboechat)
06/14/2017 at 20:37, STARS: 0
Those are all 10 year old cars FIAT keeps selling, they are all FWD and have 1.8 130 HP engines, most are only used as TAXIs because they are cheap.
They also have disgusting interiors.
"Tristan" (casselts)
06/14/2017 at 20:41, STARS: 0
THIS
It’s somehow an even uglier RAV4 with an even worse transmission. Wife has a 2016 RAV4... It’s awful.
"Tristan" (casselts)
06/14/2017 at 20:44, STARS: 2
I’m 6'7" and I’ve been in the back seat of a Soul. I thought it was alright.
"Powershiftmedia-ResidentDSMGuru" (matt-powershiftmedia)
06/14/2017 at 20:45, STARS: 0
Wow, that’s insane. I’m 6'1" and if someone my height is driving I practically have my knees in their back.
"Tristan" (casselts)
06/14/2017 at 20:45, STARS: 0
SO terrible.
"Vicente Esteve" (vicente-esteve)
06/14/2017 at 20:51, STARS: 1
Aveo for sure.
"Steve in Manhattan" (blogenfreude01)
06/14/2017 at 20:52, STARS: 1
Aveo ... and I could probably rent one easily ...
"EL_ULY" (uly)
06/14/2017 at 20:54, STARS: 3
I want to drive all cars and drive them hard!
Down with enthusiasts!
Hooooon ALL CARS!
"CRider" (crider)
06/14/2017 at 21:00, STARS: 0
That looks like Toyota’s answer to the Nissan Juke.
"thedevilinside" (thedevilinside)
06/14/2017 at 21:00, STARS: 0
. . . I think I like the Ute?
"HFV has no HFV. But somehow has 2 motorcycles" (hondasfordsvolvo)
06/14/2017 at 21:01, STARS: 1
I’m gonna go with a Nissan Juke, or almost anything this a CVT. Newer Subarus excluded
"thedevilinside" (thedevilinside)
06/14/2017 at 21:01, STARS: 0
Any Escalade. I know how big SUV’s drive, I have ridden in one and thought it was not efficient use of a car that size and CERTAINLY don’t want to be seen driving one. If that’s really what you want why not a Yukon/Suburban?
"wafflesnfalafel" (wafflesnfalafel1)
06/14/2017 at 21:03, STARS: 1
no question - Pinto
"wafflesnfalafel" (wafflesnfalafel1)
06/14/2017 at 21:04, STARS: 0
I saw one of those last week - I think it was a test drive from our local dealer. It was blue but the top was a different color?
"Saracen" (manualdoucheelitist)
06/14/2017 at 21:06, STARS: 1
anything with a thrashy four banger and CVT. It’s automotive hell.
"AestheticsInMotion" (aestheticsinmotion)
06/14/2017 at 21:08, STARS: 2
As the recipient of a brand new Subaru legacy loaner car with cvt.... Stay away. The hubris in pairing that god-awful transmission with paddle shifters... Ugh. Interior was much nicer than you’d expect for a base model Subaru though. Heated seats!
"Jordan and the Slowrunner, Boomer Intensifies" (jordanwphillips)
06/14/2017 at 21:08, STARS: 0
As I assumed.
"functionoverfashion" (functionoverfashion)
06/14/2017 at 21:09, STARS: 1
The one in your picture would be my answer. Is that a Compass? It just looks like the worst thing ever, a crossover/cuv/whatever that isn’t any bigger inside than my 3-series wagon, and infinitely worse in every way.
I rented a CVT Versa hatchback... in Montana. It would probably be a fine car to bash around in a city. With a manual, or even a normal automatic. But the CVT combined with the wide-open spaces of Montana, it was the worst car I have ever driven, save maybe for a 1981 Dodge Aries. At least the Aries had a front bench seat!
"cbell04" (cbell04)
06/14/2017 at 21:10, STARS: 1
Chrysler 200. Blah
Fiat 500L. Nope
Mercury Capri. Negative
"Jordan and the Slowrunner, Boomer Intensifies" (jordanwphillips)
06/14/2017 at 21:10, STARS: 1
I think everyone should drive one to fully appreciate my distaste for GM.
"Steve is equipped with Electronic Fool Injection" (itsalwayssteve)
06/14/2017 at 21:10, STARS: 1
I’m 6'3" and about 300 lbs and the old Volvo 240 has the strange effect of being both airy and cramped at the same time. Narrow A-B-C pillars and tall glass combined with a narrow profile and thick door panels lead to being very close to your passenger, yet with lot of head room. It’s weird.
"Jordan and the Slowrunner, Boomer Intensifies" (jordanwphillips)
06/14/2017 at 21:11, STARS: 1
It’s pretty terrible to drive. It’s a legitimately bad car, which is why it’s circlejerked on here.
"TheRealBicycleBuck" (therealbicyclebuck)
06/14/2017 at 21:14, STARS: 0
"Daily Drives a Dragon - One Last Lap" (ddadragon)
06/14/2017 at 21:16, STARS: 1
Honestly kinda want to at least test drive one
"My citroen won't start" (lucasboechat)
06/14/2017 at 21:19, STARS: 0
Nah, there are better ones.
The interior on the one you think you like looks like this.
"Vítor" (vitorcesar)
06/14/2017 at 21:20, STARS: 1
The Strada. Also sold in Italy, in some Latin American countries sold as the RAM 700
"wiffleballtony" (wiffleballtony)
06/14/2017 at 21:20, STARS: 0
I’m 6'5 240, I imagine the experience would be similar
"BaconSandwich is tasty." (baconsandwich)
06/14/2017 at 21:20, STARS: 1
Eh, could be worse.
"wiffleballtony" (wiffleballtony)
06/14/2017 at 21:21, STARS: 1
I’ve never liked it. Never understood the appeal.
"My citroen won't start" (lucasboechat)
06/14/2017 at 21:21, STARS: 1
Every single Taxi I took in Brazil before the invention of Uber was one of those cars, I really never ever want to drive one.
"interstate366, now In The Industry" (interstate366)
06/14/2017 at 21:23, STARS: 1
Those awful commercials for it don’t help.
"Jordan and the Slowrunner, Boomer Intensifies" (jordanwphillips)
06/14/2017 at 21:23, STARS: 1
It’s RWD, but so are most trucks.
"thedevilinside" (thedevilinside)
06/14/2017 at 21:25, STARS: 0
Radio is not great, I like the rest. Simple. VW looks nice too though.
"thedevilinside" (thedevilinside)
06/14/2017 at 21:26, STARS: 0
Ha, I like the Ram 700 name. We do get nice big trucks Stateside, but I wish we had one small option. I do know people won’t buy them so I can’t argue.
"My citroen won't start" (lucasboechat)
06/14/2017 at 21:28, STARS: 0
This is the interior on the VW, the one cool thing about the Fiat is the suicide doors tho.
Probably not very safe.
"interstate366, now In The Industry" (interstate366)
06/14/2017 at 21:29, STARS: 2
Any Mercedes. Has nothing to do with reliability and everything to do with the 25-year law.
"CB" (jrcb)
06/14/2017 at 21:30, STARS: 1
Just because the gearbox seems like a nightmare and if I don’t drive it right people will die.
"Steve is equipped with Electronic Fool Injection" (itsalwayssteve)
06/14/2017 at 21:32, STARS: 1
I’ve owned two. They were reminders that “durable,” and “reliable,” are two different things.
"B/Xmrrmvr" (davidedumass)
06/14/2017 at 21:34, STARS: 1
The Benz Patent-Motorwagen. I understand its importance, but I can outrun it on a bicycle.
"Jordan and the Slowrunner, Boomer Intensifies" (jordanwphillips)
06/14/2017 at 21:37, STARS: 0
The engine itself is durable, nothing else attached to the engine or car is.
"Tristan" (casselts)
06/14/2017 at 21:38, STARS: 0
That may have been the issue. The people in the front seat were short. The Soul had lots of head room, though.
"Jordan and the Slowrunner, Boomer Intensifies" (jordanwphillips)
06/14/2017 at 21:41, STARS: 1
I always enjoy driving a truck and trailer, because when I avoid crushing a Sentra that cut me off, I feel like a god. Their life was in my hands, I could have chose to end it, but I didn’t.
"Tristan" (casselts)
06/14/2017 at 21:42, STARS: 0
*Daewoo
"Tristan" (casselts)
06/14/2017 at 21:43, STARS: 0
The gearbox is a blast once you figure it out. They’re pretty fun to drive, honestly. Granted, I’ve never driven one great distances.
"Tristan" (casselts)
06/14/2017 at 21:45, STARS: 0
The Subaru CVT is infinitely better than the Nissan CVT. And yeah, those paddle shifters are dumb, but they’re useful for engine braking down long hills.
"Jordan and the Slowrunner, Boomer Intensifies" (jordanwphillips)
06/14/2017 at 21:45, STARS: 0
*Licensed and approved by GM.
"AestheticsInMotion" (aestheticsinmotion)
06/14/2017 at 21:48, STARS: 0
Are they really? Only modern Nissan I’ve driven without a manual was a Gtr off of turo.
Don’t get me wrong, I still used the paddles. Better than the alternative. I hate the “not knowing how the car will decide to accelerate” feeling with subpar automatics.
"Tristan" (casselts)
06/14/2017 at 21:49, STARS: 0
The Escalade really has such a nice interior, but my lord would it ever be embarrassing to be seen in such a thing. I’d gladly swap that interior into my Suburban, though.
"Tristan" (casselts)
06/14/2017 at 21:52, STARS: 0
True. But so was the Geo Prism and the Pontiac Vibe... They were good captive imports! GM sure has slapped their name on some awful garbage, though.
"Tristan" (casselts)
06/14/2017 at 21:55, STARS: 0
Yes. I rented a Sentra last year. Easily the worst attempt at a car I’ve ever driven. The CVT in the wife’s former Outback was not great, but it wasn’t annoying. I liked it better than the miserable, indecisive, mushy 6 speed auto in her current RAV4.
"AestheticsInMotion" (aestheticsinmotion)
06/14/2017 at 22:00, STARS: 0
Yikes. Nissan hasn’t really been inspiring confidence with their product lately.
What year was hers? I’m about to sell my 08, good vehicle overall but possibly the worst seats for my body that I’ve ever experienced. And I dd the Miata with fixed back racing seats...
"fhrblig" (fhrblig)
06/14/2017 at 22:04, STARS: 2
None. I’m always willing to drive anything once. What’s that, you have a clapped-out Renault Encore? Sure I’ll drive it! (True story, and I can tell you it drives exactly how you think it would.)
Shitty cars enhance your appreciation for great ones.
"Tristan" (casselts)
06/14/2017 at 22:09, STARS: 0
You have an outback or a RAV? Her outback was a ‘13, I think, and her RAV is a ‘16. They’re company cars, so they stay new. I loved the outback. Good mileage, lots of room, very comfy seats. The RAV is hideous and miserable in every way. I often wonder if the person who designed the seats ever subjected himself to actually sitting in them. I can only take about 15 minutes in that awful thing.
"AMGtech - now with more recalls!" (amgtech)
06/14/2017 at 22:13, STARS: 0
Civic type R. Honestly just don’t give a shit and it’s not worth any hype it receives at any price point.
"AestheticsInMotion" (aestheticsinmotion)
06/14/2017 at 22:21, STARS: 0
See, that’s how I feel about my Outback. If it was a manual, I’d probably swap front seats, and make it slightly more offroad/adventure capable.... But it’s probably better that it’s not. Once it’s gone I’ll be able to justify something a bit more enjoyable.
Rav4 is one of those cars I just completely forgot about. For the better, it sounds like
"Tristan" (casselts)
06/14/2017 at 22:27, STARS: 1
Like pretty much all of Toyota’s lineup, it’s incredibly forgettable.
"bhtooefr" (bhtooefr)
06/14/2017 at 22:30, STARS: 0
There’s part of me that wants to take one of the pre-refresh JDM-only first-gen Prii for a spin, just to see how bad it is.
"bhtooefr" (bhtooefr)
06/14/2017 at 22:31, STARS: 1
Having driven a Patriot with a JATCO CVT... yeah, Nissan is fucking terrible at making CVTs decent to drive.
"Powershiftmedia-ResidentDSMGuru" (matt-powershiftmedia)
06/14/2017 at 22:31, STARS: 0
It definitely does have a very serious amount of head room. However, cargo capacity was very lacking when I had to use one for a road trip once. Hated it.
"JR1" (type35bugatti)
06/14/2017 at 22:31, STARS: 1
I suppose cars I don’t think about like the Toyota Camery or similar appliance
"bhtooefr" (bhtooefr)
06/14/2017 at 22:32, STARS: 0
I remember driving a later one, and thinking... it felt like someone crossed my Mk2 Golf and a pickup truck.
"bhtooefr" (bhtooefr)
06/14/2017 at 22:40, STARS: 1
I almost said I’d have driven that (and I almost did test drive a very similar gasoline-powered three-wheeler, except I didn’t have my helmet with me, and was in the first year of my motorcycle license, which requires a helmet even in an enclosed cockpit three-wheeler in Ohio).
Having read NojustNo’s link, though... maybe it’s a good thing I didn’t.
"bhtooefr" (bhtooefr)
06/14/2017 at 22:41, STARS: 1
Yes, it’s a Compass. A FWD one, too, just to make it more useless (and it’s a bit of a stretch to call it a crossover, although I guess when it came out, it counted as one).
I’ve actually gotten a rental Jeep Patriot once, with a CVT. It was quite terrible, and I wished I had just waited for them to get one of the Kia Rios washed.
"bhtooefr" (bhtooefr)
06/14/2017 at 22:42, STARS: 0
Well, reliability doesn’t matter for this question, and driving it doesn’t give them any money in this scenario, if that’s what you’re worried about.
(Still, I won’t buy one because of both reliability and the 25 year law...)
"bhtooefr" (bhtooefr)
06/14/2017 at 22:43, STARS: 0
To be quite honest, the Dart is actually the kind of thing I was expecting a lot of in this thread - something that’s thoroughly mediocre, but not objectively bad . (I have driven one. It was OK, although the automatic wasn’t the greatest.)
Bad cars are interesting, and therefore you want to drive them. Mediocre cars, who wants to drive one of those?
"bhtooefr" (bhtooefr)
06/14/2017 at 22:44, STARS: 1
Any Capri, or a specific generation?
"bhtooefr" (bhtooefr)
06/14/2017 at 22:45, STARS: 0
Somehow I should’ve expected that...
"carcrasher88" (carcrasher88)
06/14/2017 at 22:47, STARS: 0
I assume the final, Australian built generation, since it’s predecessor was a Fox body, and who wouldn’t wanna drive one of those, especially in RS trim?
"bhtooefr" (bhtooefr)
06/14/2017 at 22:48, STARS: 0
To be fair, I wouldn’t be surprised if someone did say that they didn’t want to drive a Fox body. And, there’s also the German-built generation before that.
"carcrasher88" (carcrasher88)
06/14/2017 at 22:50, STARS: 0
I agree on the 200, 90's domestic econobox (I’d rather take a 90's import econobox...as long as it’s not a Festiva) and the H3...though I would drive an H3T, if it’s an Alpha model with the 5.3.
I’m rather curious about what it’s like to drive a Tesla. Would much rather drive an Encore over a Trax, but wouldn’t turn the Trax down.
"SilentButNotReallyDeadly...killed by G/O Media" (silentbutnotreallydeadly)
06/14/2017 at 22:55, STARS: 0
Current Ford F-series...any of them. Same goes for any modern designed for America pick-up really. Bloated, ponderous, daft.
"thedevilinside" (thedevilinside)
06/14/2017 at 23:03, STARS: 0
On trucks I have seen with these style suicide doors the front door has to be open for the rear to open. I used to ride in one a lot, didn’t have any concerns with safety myself. So, bring it VW!
"Steve is equipped with Electronic Fool Injection" (itsalwayssteve)
06/14/2017 at 23:03, STARS: 1
Another ridiculous pickup truck with too much power and poor weight distribution. I’ve driven two Roush F150 Super Crews and a Roush Nitemare and they’re too much. The single-cab, 2 wheel drive, base model truck with 600 hp and hard tires was downright scary when the rain started.
Beyond that, I’ll drive anything. I’m automotively promiscuous.
"My citroen won't start" (lucasboechat)
06/14/2017 at 23:10, STARS: 1
Safe I mean structural integrity safe (seeing as this car was introduced in 2002 and never really changed)
"Eric @ opposite-lock.com" (theyrerolling)
06/14/2017 at 23:25, STARS: 0
Actually “GM Korea” at that point. Everything they touch turns to crap.
"Eric @ opposite-lock.com" (theyrerolling)
06/14/2017 at 23:47, STARS: 0
It’s going to be something mundane from FCA or one of the many rip-off Chinese manufacturers.
Dodge Dart, FWD “Jeeps”, Fiat 500L, Fiat 500X, Dodge Journey, etc. It’s amazing how much garbage they make that I wouldn’t want and would actively avoid. I hate that I wasted my life researching their names to make a list.
"Maxima Speed" (maximaspeed)
06/14/2017 at 23:52, STARS: 0
My parents bought a used 2000 escalade because we needed an SUV with 4WD. We found it cheaper than we could get a Suburban. They, being short on money went for it. Several things;
1: just because it looks like a Tahoe or a Denali doesn’t mean it has the same reliability. Constantly something wrong with it.
2: It took a long time for us to get over the stigma of owning, and driving, an Escalade. We tried to keep it quiet, and anyone who found out that we owned one we quickly explained the details of why we had it.
3: The Escalade is extremely comfortable and a very nice vehicle inside, also has the best 4WD system I’ve ever seen (not that that says a lot), the places we got into and out of with that Escalade was crazy. We always said that we were the only people on the planet to actually make full use of the Escalades capabilities.
Fortunately for us I accidentally totaled it, borrowing it from my parents while my car was in the shop a few years ago. Now we have my moms dream vehicle, Navy Blue 1997 Suburban 7.4 on the Heavy Duty Chassis with Blue leather interior, and third row seats. The thing is a beast (and a boat).
"HFV has no HFV. But somehow has 2 motorcycles" (hondasfordsvolvo)
06/14/2017 at 23:56, STARS: 0
The MPG achieved with AWD is pretty impressive though. I wouldn’t want it as my only car, but if I could have a commuter with AWD and get 30+ mpg I’ll take it.
"AestheticsInMotion" (aestheticsinmotion)
06/15/2017 at 00:08, STARS: 1
I should have paid more attention to the mpgs. That would be a pretty good selling point... I think my 08 Outback has averaged about 21 over the last 20,000 miles of mixed drinks
"HFV has no HFV. But somehow has 2 motorcycles" (hondasfordsvolvo)
06/15/2017 at 00:31, STARS: 1
Yeah like Crosstrek is rated st 32 with a CVT
"pip bip - choose Corrour" (hhgttg69)
06/15/2017 at 04:58, STARS: 0
anything from China