by "Smallbear wants a modern Syclone, local Maple Leafs spammer" (smallbear94)
Published 06/12/2017 at 11:04
by "Smallbear wants a modern Syclone, local Maple Leafs spammer" (smallbear94)
Published 06/12/2017 at 11:04
Tags: Dashcam
STARS: 4
In todays post, a couple RAV4's driven by completely oblivious people.
What I find interesting is that both of these drivers took in the situation, decided that they could pull off their maneuver if they were quick enough, and made a total hash of it by not bothering with the actions essential to completing the move properly.
If these two get moving? Ain’t care. Opportunity taken. But noooo... Idiot number one fails to apply the right hoof to the correct pedal, which is key to the whole move—I can’t understand how they could even arrive at the decision to go without realizing they’d have to get their shift on. Idiot number two remembered the pedal, at least initially... but forgot the round thing in front of them. Then remembered the turney bit and forget the vroomy bit entirely. Tried to merge onto the highway at less than 80km/h with the brakes on.
WHAT IS SO HARD
"fintail" (fintail)
06/12/2017 at 11:07, STARS: 1
Some vehicles are like magnets for the oblivious and inept.
"Wacko" (wacko--)
06/12/2017 at 11:08, STARS: 4
Looks like the average Toyota driver to me.
"Wrong Wheel Drive (41%)" (rduncan5678)
06/12/2017 at 11:20, STARS: 1
The whole not turning into the correct lane infuriates me to no end. Especially since I will see it every single day no matter what. It makes me think that people must be all driving with full mugs of coffee with no lids and they cannot under any circumstances make turns that would spill it. Sure I am driving a Miata so its easy to make tight turns but I’ve never had an issue with maintaining lanes in other vehicles.
But yeah the gas pedal, people need to use it. I think too many people think accelerating any faster than 0-60 in 30 seconds is abusing your vehicle.
"Dave the car guy , still here" (a3dave)
06/12/2017 at 11:20, STARS: 4
Many Toyota owners are sheep. They follow the herd in trends, few are enthusiast and know what driving is about. A car is just an appliance to them and they know it has to have gas, some know it needs oil, others just hand keys to the service department along with a credit card. Those that know how to drive are a rarity. Having worked in a bunch of dealerships and for many make of manufacturers I have to say this is more true of the average Toyota owner than most other brands. I’m wearing my flame suit today for all the Toyota owners here that didn’t notice that I refer to them as a rarity. Please take that as a compliment to your abilities and rising above the herd.
"Rustholes-Are-Weight-Reduction" (rustholes-are-weight-reduction)
06/12/2017 at 11:22, STARS: 0
Depends on the ‘Yota
"Smallbear wants a modern Syclone, local Maple Leafs spammer" (smallbear94)
06/12/2017 at 11:23, STARS: 1
My actual train of thought on the second one was:
- RAV4, gonna pull out and go slow.
- Wow, not as bad as I expected.
- OK, so they are going to impede traffic, but at least they’re pulling that OTHER Toyota move and diving for the left lane... annoy someone else this time...
- And THERE it is. I was right the first time. WTF ARE YOU DOING
"Dave the car guy , still here" (a3dave)
06/12/2017 at 11:26, STARS: 1
{see my reply to Smallbear wants a modern Syclone}
"Wacko" (wacko--)
06/12/2017 at 11:30, STARS: 0
I said average, not every Toyota driver
"Wacko" (wacko--)
06/12/2017 at 11:31, STARS: 2
that means I’m gonna have to do 25 clicks to show replies to find yours, no thanks.
"Smallbear wants a modern Syclone, local Maple Leafs spammer" (smallbear94)
06/12/2017 at 11:35, STARS: 1
Me too. I have on occasion been guilty myself, but only if:
- I f’d up and took the corner too fast, and taking the second lane was literally the safer option (I think happened twice)
- I’m heading somewhere immediately in the other side of the street (even so I at least try to make a courtesy pause in the first lane before signalling over)
In either case, If you do it, the correct thing to do is PLANT IT.
I really think some people just can’t do two things at the same time. Like the action of driving a car is some sort of “rub your belly pat your head” dance for them.
I read something a few years ago... government publication... that went something oalong the lines of “you should try to reach 20km/h within 5 seconds of starting out”. Granted, it was from the environmental side of the gov, but this is the sort of information that’s circualting. It’s not only annoying, but also grossly unsafe. Also, the MTO (Ontario) advice for dealing with a tailgater? Brake. Not making that up. BRAKE, FFS. I’m no tailgating fan, but that is positively idiotic.
"Smallbear wants a modern Syclone, local Maple Leafs spammer" (smallbear94)
06/12/2017 at 11:37, STARS: 0
I think Toyota is one of the most polarizing manufacturers out there. Anything “regular” is almost sure to be dragging it’s ass. Anything performance oriented is probably going to be overaggressive.
"Smallbear wants a modern Syclone, local Maple Leafs spammer" (smallbear94)
06/12/2017 at 11:39, STARS: 0
I think you replied to the wrong person... mostly agreed, but this applies to your comment too.
http://oppositelock.kinja.com/1796019618
"Rustholes-Are-Weight-Reduction" (rustholes-are-weight-reduction)
06/12/2017 at 11:44, STARS: 2
Then again, they did the Prius, the Supra, and the Landcruiser, their cars ARE really diverse and attract different customers
"bhtooefr" (bhtooefr)
06/12/2017 at 11:45, STARS: 0
And then you have Priuses, where a significant portion of the owner base not only is uninterested in cars, they actively hate cars... but they need one to maintain their lifestyle. Which is where the stereotype of terrible Prius drivers comes from...
"Smallbear wants a modern Syclone, local Maple Leafs spammer" (smallbear94)
06/12/2017 at 12:01, STARS: 0
Diverse, but still polarizing in terms of the types of drivers they seem to attract.
Prius, Corolla, Camry, RAV4, Highlander, 4Runner seem to draw the morons... with few exceptions.
Tundra, Taco, LC... well straight off the top I’ve never seen a newer LC. The others seem more or less evenly divided, but still more justified towards “slow”. More “this thing ain’t quick” slow than “this driver ain’t care” slow, though.
Supra, Celica... all seem to fall into either “slow idiot” or “fast idiot”. Rare to see someone in the middle, at least around here.
Most other brands, from my own observation, blur the line. You’ll find more idiot in certain places, sure, but it seems to me they are by and large better spread through the range. I can arrive at a red light behind a Toyota and another brand and pick the correct lane about 85-90% of the time. Where no Toyotas are present that falls to probably 65-70%.
"Rustholes-Are-Weight-Reduction" (rustholes-are-weight-reduction)
06/12/2017 at 12:03, STARS: 0
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"Smallbear wants a modern Syclone, local Maple Leafs spammer" (smallbear94)
06/12/2017 at 12:09, STARS: 1
This is perhaps the most accurate stereotype in the auto world.
You want good fuel economy, don’t want a diesel ? Get a hybrid. Any hybrid.
Want good fuel economy with more character than your ordinary offerings? Get a small turbo’d car.
Want that last thing, but also a hybrid? Get a Volt. Or a Karma/Panamera if you can afford them.
Want nothing more than to be able to say “I’m morally superior to you and can drive however I want”? Prius.
I know you drive one and like it. That’s fine. I drive a Gen1 Colorado and like it. But on the whole, I think this holds true.
"Smallbear wants a modern Syclone, local Maple Leafs spammer" (smallbear94)
06/12/2017 at 12:19, STARS: 0
This is not my opinion, actually.
People going slower than me, fine. Just stay in the right place. I’l slow down for you if I have to, like if you need to get over for a turn and you aren’t cutting me off... but stay in the correct lane. If you’re a left lane hog, or you don’t take opportunities given to you, or are like either of these morons and take them but don’t execute... THEN you’re an idiot.
If you’re going faster than me, also don’t care. I’ll move over for you if I’m in your way. But when you’re going grossly faster than traffic and weaving madly...yes, you are indeed a maniac.
What I’m saying is basically “a place for everything and everything in it’s place”, and Toyotas seem polarizing to me in that their drivers are generally (around here at least), at one end of the scale or the other, out of place.
"fintail" (fintail)
06/12/2017 at 12:27, STARS: 1
Definitely works for the RAV4/modern Corolla crowd.
"bhtooefr" (bhtooefr)
06/12/2017 at 19:20, STARS: 1
Basically, what happens is... the Prius legitimately has a core enthusiast base, just like any traditional enthusiast car. The priorities tend to be completely different, but there’s legitimate enthusiasm for driving skill among that group - it’s just instead of cutting a tenth off your lap time, it’s about pulling another mile out of a gallon. (And, hypermiling done right actually shares a lot with driving a slow car fast - in both cases, momentum management is the #1 skill, and being in tune with what your powertrain is doing is important.)
That core base isn’t the problem, though. (Well, OK, some of them drive like dicks when hypermiling, but they’re still not the problem even then - they’re at least devoting 100% attention to the task of driving.)
It’s the people that are either indifferent to cars (and therefore make a safe choice with the Corolla, Camry, RAV4, Highlander, Sienna, or Prius based on what they need out of a car - Toyota makes a hell of a lot of sales to that group based on their reliability reputation, after all), or the aforementioned group that hate cars (and therefore prioritize the lowest impact car they can get, and may also desire a car’s ability to virtue signal that it’s not as bad as the other cars). Neither group tends to have any desire to learn how to drive, though, so the effect is the same - you get terrible drivers that would rather be doing something else.
Although, right now, gas is cheap, so the indifferent types are buying RAV4s instead of Prii, and the Prius is no longer the lowest impact car by a long shot. And, the styling has turned off some more conservative buyers (both in the enthusiast and indifferent groups, tbqh).
"Smallbear wants a modern Syclone, local Maple Leafs spammer" (smallbear94)
06/13/2017 at 08:23, STARS: 0
P 1&2 - Fair enough. But those ones tend to drive in the correct place and don’t lane hog.
P 3 - This, combined with those who need to be smug about something, make up the bulk. At least around me. Neither attitude is conducive to good driving. One group doesn’t care to learn, as you said, and the other seems to take pleasure in being an ass.
P 4 - This is the main reason I blame the smug types now. Gas is cheap, so those who don’t care can get something else, as you said. The conservative types will largely buy something else that doesn’t look as outlandish—Camry/Fusion/Altima hybrids etc. There are better options for max MPG or environmental concerns, like the Volt, C-Max, Bolt, Tesla(s) and Leaf. But NONE of these are as distinctly identifiable as the Prius, at least to your average buyer. That means the Prius is the best choice for anyone who just wants to play Prius lady. As far as I can tell it’s the only place it holds a clear-cut advantage in the market anymore. Obviously there are cases where it makes more sense than other options, and some cases of people just “wanting what they want”, but I’d say a good proportion of the other three buyer categories have left it, at least for the time being (we’ll see what happens when gas prices go back up).
"bhtooefr" (bhtooefr)
06/13/2017 at 09:27, STARS: 1
I actually don’t think the Prius is the choice of Prius lady players any more, though. Sure, a hell of a lot of those types still have their Prius from back when it was the lowest impact choice, but now it’s all about EVs and PHEVs. (And, a lot of people whose primary concern was environmental impact, actually went downmarket to buy their Prius, so the Model S has gotten a hell of a lot of Prius conquest sales.)
In the US, I feel like the Prius has actually lost all of its markets - it hasn’t kept up well with the rest of the industry in efficiency, losing both the Prius ladies and some of the enthusiasts, and gas got cheap, losing the indifferent types.
The Prius Prime exists, and is incredibly efficient, but Toyota made some rather bad decisions on packaging (then again, the C-Max Energi that you suggest also made some of the same bad decisions). It has still retained some of the enthusiasts that would’ve moved onto the Volt or to a BEV, though, and I wouldn’t be surprised if some Prius ladies went for it, too. (I’d buy one over the Volt, even though I’d rather have the Volt’s packaging compromises, but that’s because I hate how the Volt’s suspension tuning is just so badly mismatched to the weight of the car, and the interior ergonomics of the Volt.)
Also, I’d argue the point that there’s better options for max MPG on gasoline only - there’s only one per the EPA, and that’s the Hyundai Ioniq Hybrid... and reviewers get better mileage out of the Prius. Otherwise, you need two wheels to beat the Prius on gasoline. Now, if you’re adding electric, yeah, the Volt, Bolt, Teslas, and LEAF all are capable of beating it in the right circumstances. (Not the C-Max, though, unless you compare a C-Max Energi to a regular Prius for distances of about 20 miles or less. Use a Prius Prime to be fair, though, and the C-Max always loses, except in acceleration.)
"Smallbear wants a modern Syclone, local Maple Leafs spammer" (smallbear94)
06/13/2017 at 10:06, STARS: 0
Could be a regional difference, dunno. I’m still comfortable saying they’re mostly Prius lady people around here. Sure the Tesla and Volt are recognizable, but they tend to attract more of the enthusiast buyer from what I can tell. Will you find a douche driving one? Sure. Lots. But I find them more diluted.
Fwiw on the last point, I’d say it’s almost not worth separating the EV’s and plug-in hybrids from the old style hybrids anymore, unless you’re going on a long road trip. Going back to the Tesla and Volt. The Model S can do 2-300 miles on a charge (or more—I’ve heard first hand accounts of ~600km/370 mile trips if you go easy). That would encompass probably 95% of your driving. Even if the Prius can go further, and I’d imagine it should be able to (you’d know better), and even though you can just fill it in minutes and be on your way, you wouldn’t need to. The Volt does ~60 miles on a charge, also enough to cover most driving. Maybe 75-80%. Going just outside of that on gas power will still give you an average far above a regular Prius. Stretch it out and it’s pretty neck and neck with the Prius Prime—slight edge to the Prius iirc? But the Prime only gives you ~40km electric range instead of ~100km. So it’s pretty much what you like better and who’ll give you a better deal.
Problem is, they don’t sell the Prime here. For Canada, it’s only sold in Quebec. There’s the regional difference, maybe... if the biggest reason to stay with the Prius for non-smuggies isn’t even available...
Anyways. I don’t see either of us changing our stance here... so it’s kinda moot. But thanks for making a discussion out of this rather than a shit-flinging contest—this is good oppo :)