by "Nauraushaun" (nauraushaun12)
Published 06/05/2017 at 18:52
by "Nauraushaun" (nauraushaun12)
Published 06/05/2017 at 18:52
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STARS: 6
We’ve all heard it before. I’m done. Stop whinging about sport mode.
Why does a Ferrari need a sport mode? Why isn’t it always in sport?
Because it’s not a race car. It’s a road car
Because roads are shitty some of the time
Because getting to good roads often means traveling on shit roads
Because sometimes good roads
are
shit roads. They’re quiet, dis-used, damp, off-camber, with a rocky surface and with debris
Because it’s an expensive car and the owner wants to enjoy it more of the time
Because it’s a glorious car and the owner wants to use it as much as they can
Because we have the technology to make a car both stiff and compliant, both comfortable and responsive, so why shouldn’t we
Because the easier the car is to live with, the happier the owner is, the more they like the car, the more they like the manufacturer, the happier the manufacturer is
Because, those who can afford fast cars are not always (or usually) the young and able
Because all the things that make a car better to drive (in no particular order & non-exhasutive: noise, feel, responsiveness, power, danger) don’t make it better
in every situation in which you use the car
Am I wrong, Oppo?
"dogisbadob" (dogisbadob)
06/05/2017 at 19:06, STARS: 2
I still think most of those sport modes are placebo buttons :p
This does not apply to snow/winter modes though, since those actually do something to help with snow/ice traction
"Honeybunchesofgoats" (honeybunche0fgoats)
06/05/2017 at 19:06, STARS: 4
You forgot one other reason: no one sitting in stop-and-go traffic wants or needs aggressive acceleration.
"CRider" (crider)
06/05/2017 at 19:09, STARS: 1
No, if you don’t want to drive a car with no sound deadening, 1" of ground clearance, a 140 dB exhaust note (at idle) that rides like a jackhammer, you shouldn’t drive a sports car.
"Nauraushaun" (nauraushaun12)
06/05/2017 at 19:11, STARS: 1
Yes! I didn’t even
mention
traffic! What you need/want in traffic are entirely different to sporty driving. But Ferraris see traffic just like any other road car.
"TheHondaBro" (wwaveform)
06/05/2017 at 19:12, STARS: 1
Do we need another NSX? Because that’s how we get another NSX.
"Nauraushaun" (nauraushaun12)
06/05/2017 at 19:12, STARS: 1
I’ve never actually used one, aside from the PWR/ECON button in my mum’s Commodore which just holds gears longer in the auto.
You could be right. But I think the logic is sound.
And yes certainly.
"Saracen" (manualdoucheelitist)
06/05/2017 at 19:17, STARS: 1
I always press the Sport button when I start my car. Throttle response is much sharper, and I love hearing the exhaust burble with the flaps open.
But pressing Sport automatically sets PASM to sport, which is intolerably stiff on %95 of roads. So after pushing the Sport button I usually set PASM to normal.
On those few %5 of smooth roads though (which are usually the windy type), I set PASM to sport for full attack mode and body roll goes from minimal to completely absent. I love it.
"Gamecat235" (Gamecat235)
06/05/2017 at 19:26, STARS: 0
But what about Exhaust switches ? Because those guys need to be toggled all the time .
=)
"CRider" (crider)
06/05/2017 at 19:29, STARS: 2
Do what Corvette guys do and pull the fuse that closes the exhaust baffles.
"CaptDale - is secretly British" (captdale)
06/05/2017 at 19:34, STARS: 0
I still think it should be the other way around, like Doug said. Leave the car always in sport mode and if you want comfort mode then you need to press the button.
"yamahog" (yamahog)
06/05/2017 at 19:35, STARS: 4
same thing on Camaros
god bless the engineer that made the default setting “open”
"Honeybunchesofgoats" (honeybunche0fgoats)
06/05/2017 at 19:36, STARS: 1
From experience with my XJ8, I can tell you that, at least in those, sport mode forces the car to start in first, revs higher before upshifting, and kicks down with less pedal pressure.
"Bytemite" (bytemite)
06/05/2017 at 19:39, STARS: 0
All of your reasons would mean something if the Sport mode button actually did something.
It is and always has been a gimmick to make autotragic cars hold gears a bit longer and make their DBW throttle extra touchy.
Maybe in exotics and more techy cars they firm up the shocks and turn on active aero bits, or allow the engine to reach higher RPM or allow more boost. Then I guess yeah your reasons make sense.
"sm70- why not Duesenberg?" (sm70-whynotduesenberg)
06/05/2017 at 19:58, STARS: 0
Nope. You’re right. Even in my 3 ton bus there are times when I want the suspension and throttle in normal/comfort, and times when I want it in sport.
"wafflesnfalafel" (wafflesnfalafel1)
06/05/2017 at 20:03, STARS: 0
I usually prefer sport mode... tightens up the throttle response, quicker shifts, holds gears, etc. I have never owned a vehicle with it, but rented a fair number. The best “sport” mode I’ve experienced oddly enough was on an Isuzu Trooper - much nicer to drive with it on than off.
"DipodomysDeserti" (dipodomysdeserti)
06/05/2017 at 20:07, STARS: 1
In my Abarth it made the steering noticeably heavier and increased boost pressures. Same in my dads M235i. On my wife’s X1 it increases boost, wrings out shifts and keeps it out of eighth gear.
"Honeybunchesofgoats" (honeybunche0fgoats)
06/05/2017 at 20:12, STARS: 1
That last one is kind of dumb. Who wants to remember to switch modes whenever they’re cruising?
"mazda616" (mazda616)
06/05/2017 at 20:29, STARS: 0
Most sport mode buttons on standard cars (I.E. not ferraris) don’t do anything. On my car (Mazda6) it does make the transmission shift completely differently. It holds gears a lot longer if I let it shift and if I have it in manual mode, the engine throttle response is a lot more aggressive.
Admittedly, I never use it, though.
"Daily Drives a Dragon - One Last Lap" (ddadragon)
06/05/2017 at 20:33, STARS: 0
I kinda have a sport button as in it will hold gears longer. I only ever use it when merging because mileage sucks leaving it on all the time.
"DipodomysDeserti" (dipodomysdeserti)
06/05/2017 at 20:43, STARS: 0
8th gear is overdrive. You don’t want to be in overdrive while driving spiritedly. You also dont want to be in sport mode while cruising.
"merged-5876237249235911857-hrw8uc" (merged-5876237249235911857-hrw8uc)
06/05/2017 at 20:58, STARS: 0
You are not wrong. The sport mode in my S8 transforms the car. It’s definitely more than you want for everyday traffic, but holy hell, when you want to just go... it’s the ticket. Now if I could just get the exhaust opened up a bit, it would be glorious.
"merged-5876237249235911857-hrw8uc" (merged-5876237249235911857-hrw8uc)
06/05/2017 at 20:58, STARS: 0
I want one of those buttons.
"AMGtech - now with more recalls!" (amgtech)
06/05/2017 at 22:57, STARS: 0
What if you’re coming home really late for whatever reason and it’s beautiful outside so the windows to your home are open, your bedroom overlooks the driveway, and you don’t want to wake up your wife or children with your loud exhaust?
"Nauraushaun" (nauraushaun12)
06/05/2017 at 23:50, STARS: 0
It’s probably easier to understand on a fast luxury car, more so than a Ferrari. But both cars are driving on the same roads in the same traffic at least some of the time!
It sounds awesome.
"Nauraushaun" (nauraushaun12)
06/05/2017 at 23:56, STARS: 0
Good to hear. My mum’s Commodore had that. And that’s exactly why.
"Nauraushaun" (nauraushaun12)
06/05/2017 at 23:57, STARS: 0
Interesting. Sounds cool. Why don’t you use it? I suppose it depends on whether you use the car for sporty driving or not.
"Nauraushaun" (nauraushaun12)
06/05/2017 at 23:57, STARS: 1
Haha! Awesome. No judgement from me. Give the people what they want.
"Nauraushaun" (nauraushaun12)
06/05/2017 at 23:59, STARS: 0
I’m sure I’ve seen it on reviews for Ferraris. Doug’s done some McLaren reviews that mentioned it. These are cars where the sport mode makes radical changes!
But even on a lesser car where all they do is make the pedal touchy. It makes the car feel good for rev-heads and the elderly alike, so where’s the problem?
"Nauraushaun" (nauraushaun12)
06/06/2017 at 00:00, STARS: 1
I think it should be up to the owner. If the car resets to comfort mode every time you start it, that’s a shame. But if the owner wants to leave it in sport, or comfort, or race 90% of the time, that’s their choice. These cars are bought for all kinds of reasons by all kinds of people
"Nauraushaun" (nauraushaun12)
06/06/2017 at 00:01, STARS: 0
IN THEORY
But sometimes you just wanna creep up the driveway or out of your block of units without waking the world. And sometimes you’re hungover and want the damn thing to shut up!
"Nauraushaun" (nauraushaun12)
06/06/2017 at 00:02, STARS: 0
God I wish that were me. You’ve living sport mode nirvana my man
"Nauraushaun" (nauraushaun12)
06/06/2017 at 00:03, STARS: 0
You know the answer
"Nauraushaun" (nauraushaun12)
06/06/2017 at 00:03, STARS: 0
I’m not sure if you’re being sarcastic :(
"Nauraushaun" (nauraushaun12)
06/06/2017 at 00:04, STARS: 0
Haha! I guess the thing is so depressing most of the time that sport mode is its saving grace. Still better than not having it ;)
"CRider" (crider)
06/06/2017 at 00:34, STARS: 0
"CRider" (crider)
06/06/2017 at 00:35, STARS: 0
Do we need another NSX? Yes, yes we do. The current one sucks.
"TheHondaBro" (wwaveform)
06/06/2017 at 00:40, STARS: 1
CRider has spoken!
"CRider" (crider)
06/06/2017 at 01:04, STARS: 1
Curb weight over 3,800 lbs, 15 year wait, slightly slower around Lagina Seca than a GT350R. Also, why would you want them to not make another?
"TheHondaBro" (wwaveform)
06/06/2017 at 01:06, STARS: 0
15 year wait
Holy shit since 2002?!?
"CRider" (crider)
06/06/2017 at 01:13, STARS: 0
I mean, they sold almost half their total production in the first 4 years. In 2005 they only sold 206 cars. I’d say people have been waiting for a long time for a new NSX, but if you want to be pedantic, fine . 11 years.
"TheHondaBro" (wwaveform)
06/06/2017 at 01:16, STARS: 0
It was actually three years from concept from production. Jalopnik likes to inflate that number to make it seem more dramatic.
The car that preceded the 2012 concept was the HSV-010 GT. Front-engined RWD V8. Completely different.
"TheD0k_2many toys 2little time" (thed0ck)
06/06/2017 at 03:51, STARS: 0
Any new vehicle i get in i immediately turn of stability and traction control. I dont own a vehicle that has that and only one has abs (just rear wheel).
"TheD0k_2many toys 2little time" (thed0ck)
06/06/2017 at 03:52, STARS: 0
or you could just put a good exhaust on it and get rid of lots of weight :)
"TheD0k_2many toys 2little time" (thed0ck)
06/06/2017 at 03:53, STARS: 0
lol i work nights and come home at 3:30am with a straighpiped diesel truck.
"Daily Drives a Dragon - One Last Lap" (ddadragon)
06/06/2017 at 04:54, STARS: 0
I think most Toyotas of the time had it.
"Nauraushaun" (nauraushaun12)
06/06/2017 at 05:02, STARS: 0
You’re a monster
"Nauraushaun" (nauraushaun12)
06/06/2017 at 05:06, STARS: 0
It was in 2007 that they
told the world they were doing it.
That’s something.
"nafsucof" (galinskiomatic)
06/06/2017 at 07:28, STARS: 0
Wasn’t it a v10?
"TheHondaBro" (wwaveform)
06/06/2017 at 09:33, STARS: 0
The dynamically styled concept provides a preview of the design direction for the successor to the Acura NSX.
But they never explicitly told the world they were doing it.
"TheHondaBro" (wwaveform)
06/06/2017 at 09:34, STARS: 0
No, two superbike engines glued together. 3.4L V8.
"merged-5876237249235911857-hrw8uc" (merged-5876237249235911857-hrw8uc)
06/06/2017 at 09:50, STARS: 1
Yeah, that’s true. Some vehicles lend themselves to more to the dual personalities that a true sports mode would provide. I can’t believe the difference between the two modes on my car. Definitely nice to have the option. I’m reminded of driving an auto previous generation CTS-V. That car was so docile at around town speeds that you wouldn’t know what kind of power it has until you stomp on the gas. But even then, it was composed and fun to drive. I guess when you have 500+hp on tap you don’t have to go crazy with the shift adjustments. When driving in traffic and the like, it’s nice to have a more docile pedal response, even in a Ferrari. Otherwise you end up looking like a douche driving down the city streets stoplight to stoplight with the car bucking and crackling the exhaust. No need for that in normal traffic... save that type of behavior for the SRT charger and challenger, non-hellcat drivers.... never fails, when I see, or more frequently, hear a car zipping up through traffic, it ends up being some tool in a 392 charger.... I get it, you have a fast car, but you have a chip on your shoulder cause you couldn’t afford the hellcat. Whereas hellcat drivers just lope along barely getting into the boost and making the supercharger whine. Unless provoked, of course.
"nafsucof" (galinskiomatic)
06/06/2017 at 10:01, STARS: 0
http://jalopnik.com/398469/acura-nsx-v10-may-get-cylinder-deactivation-acura-rl-may-get-v10
There must have been two tested motors. I have never read about the v8 you speak of(by no means am I refuting).
"nafsucof" (galinskiomatic)
06/06/2017 at 10:04, STARS: 0
http://www.autoblog.com/2010/01/18/officially-official-honda-releases-photos-and-specs-on-hsv-010/
It appears racing version was to get the aforementioned v8, road version was to get v10.
"CaptDale - is secretly British" (captdale)
06/06/2017 at 11:20, STARS: 0
That would be an even better option!
"Nauraushaun" (nauraushaun12)
06/06/2017 at 19:24, STARS: 0
I think it’s a pretty clear sign though. Usually companies will present a design study that could be an NSX or whatever without explicitly telling you. They dance around the true intent of the concept to avoid writing cheques they can’t cash. Like the Supra FT-HS and FT-1 concepts from Toyota.
In this case they told us it previewed the upcoming NSX. That’s as good as a promise given how coy they are.
But that’s all heresay
"Sweet Trav" (thespunbearing)
06/07/2017 at 08:41, STARS: 1
The exhaust on Yamahog’s 1LE is the best sounding cross-plane V8 exhaust of all time. I am a connoisseur of V8 noises.
"TheD0k_2many toys 2little time" (thed0ck)
06/07/2017 at 11:44, STARS: 0
if you like how a truck with exhaust sounds :) LS motors all sound the same. Im putting one in an RX7 with a huge cam and it will still sound like a truck.
you want good engine sound need a mod V8. Have worked with many different exhaust set ups on cars at the shop and Mustangs sound the best on the dyno
"Sweet Trav" (thespunbearing)
06/07/2017 at 12:10, STARS: 0
Mod motors are the worst. Except for the Voodoo that thing sings. Mod motors sound tinny and hoarse. Like a bean burrito fart into a kazoo amplified through a broken Marshal Stack.
"mazda616" (mazda616)
06/08/2017 at 08:48, STARS: 0
During backroad jaunts and long drives in the countryside to clear my head, I do. Or I would. But for my daily 9 mile slog to work, there’s no point since I’m mostly in stop and go traffic.
"Nauraushaun" (nauraushaun12)
06/08/2017 at 08:50, STARS: 1
That’s the life of a car, whether it’s a Mazda6 or an Audi S6 or a Macca 675.
"thebigbossyboss" (thebigbossyboss)
06/08/2017 at 23:14, STARS: 0
Yeah. I drove a car with no suspension for a few years. That was sport mode. Cornered flat as hell.
"Nauraushaun" (nauraushaun12)
06/09/2017 at 03:35, STARS: 0
True oppo right there
"thebigbossyboss" (thebigbossyboss)
06/12/2017 at 10:58, STARS: 0
Every painted line was a catastrophe and every expansion joint the apocalypse lol.
"Nauraushaun" (nauraushaun12)
06/12/2017 at 22:54, STARS: 0
Every painted line
Lately I’ve been wishing Google maps had an “avoid speedbumps” setting. You’d be banking on that