by "Twingo Tamer - About to descend into project car hell." (oppisitelock)
Published 06/04/2017 at 05:58
by "Twingo Tamer - About to descend into project car hell." (oppisitelock)
Published 06/04/2017 at 05:58
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No God would tell you to kill and destroy. That’s Satan. These people are all worshipping a devil of their own design. Every Muslim I’ve met was a normal, peaceful person. It’s important we don’t forget how far from the teachings of Islam these people are.
"pip bip - choose Corrour" (hhgttg69)
06/04/2017 at 06:06, STARS: 1
deport the families to country of origin regardless of immigration status.
if any member of family born in the UK deport them too.
"Flavien Vidal" (flyingfrenchy)
06/04/2017 at 06:14, STARS: 9
Many terrorists are converted brits... Many are also born in the UK with perfectly normal families that do not even recognize them as family members anymore. Also you can’t just send back someone to his country of origin just because his parents or grand parents were not born in the UK... That’s as if you were to commit a crime in Australia and the Australian justice decides to send you back to the UK because we all know Australians are just british criminals in the first place...
Not even sure the UK would want you either :D
"Twingo Tamer - About to descend into project car hell." (oppisitelock)
06/04/2017 at 06:14, STARS: 3
I don’t think that’s the answer here...
"Wheelerguy" (wheelerguy)
06/04/2017 at 06:21, STARS: 6
Here’s the thing: the number one reason ISIS claims all sorts of bad events, even if an event isn’t caused by an extremist, is because they want to stoke fear in the hearts of Christians everywhere. You deprive ISIS of their life force by simply seeing them as asscunts, not Muslims, and you have already crippled them.
"pip bip - choose Corrour" (hhgttg69)
06/04/2017 at 06:29, STARS: 2
yes you’re 100% correct, but i feel better typing it out though.
"pip bip - choose Corrour" (hhgttg69)
06/04/2017 at 06:34, STARS: 0
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"duurtlang" (duurtlang)
06/04/2017 at 06:44, STARS: 3
It’s not about Christians though. Many in these countries, like the UK, Germany and France, are no Christians. They tend to be secular. Living in the Netherlands I know very few Christians under the age of 60 and living in Germany now most Christians are Christians in tradition only, they don’t believe in God.
My point being: the terrorists don’t target Christians specifically. They’d be attacking the US or eastern Europe if that was their main goal. They target westerners. Freedom. People with a different way of life in a country they’re familiar with.
Agreed though, we should address them as the cunts they are. While Muslim they are a tiny extremist minority. People outside of the isles didn’t distrust Protestants/Catholics due to the problems in Northern Ireland a few decades ago either.
"Twingo Tamer - About to descend into project car hell." (oppisitelock)
06/04/2017 at 07:11, STARS: 3
Exactly my point. It’s people who have made up a cult loosely based on an existing relgion and are using it as an excuse to be criminal fuckheads. Although as duurtlang mentioned they target anyone who don’t believe in precisely what they do, even Muslims.
"CB" (jrcb)
06/04/2017 at 07:37, STARS: 0
Nope, doesn’t work like that. Canada is trying to deport a man to India, even though he’s a Canadian citizen born and raised here. It’s not going very well.
"itschrome" (itschrome)
06/04/2017 at 07:41, STARS: 2
“No God would tell you to kill and destroy. That’s Satan”
Bro, you even read the bible??
Alternative satement. Stop believing in fairy tails..
"djmt1" (djmt1)
06/04/2017 at 07:49, STARS: 0
I’m dreading the first moron to pour petrol onto this fire and given the close proximity of the attack, I suspect it won’t take long.
"pip bip - choose Corrour" (hhgttg69)
06/04/2017 at 08:14, STARS: 0
take their rights away, just arrest them and deport within 12 hours.
don’t give them access to lawyers and phones.
yes i realise it’s not going to happen and is totally against the rule of law etc, but quite honestly stuff em.
"CB" (jrcb)
06/04/2017 at 08:38, STARS: 0
But the guy isn’t even from India. It would be like deporting me to Scotland, even though I was born and raised in Canada and have never even been to Scotland.
There’s a reason why laws and rights exist. Because if you deny them to one person, it is a very slippery slope to where the practice will end up.
"pip bip - choose Corrour" (hhgttg69)
06/04/2017 at 08:40, STARS: 0
he is probably of Indian ancestry though. why are they trying to deport him?
"CB" (jrcb)
06/04/2017 at 08:46, STARS: 0
And I’m of Scottish ancestry. I don’t get your point.
His charge was selling weapons to an undercover RCMP officer, although there’s probably more to it than I know about. Either way, Canadian citizen, shouldn’t be deported to a country he’s never held citizenship in.
"Twingo Tamer - About to descend into project car hell." (oppisitelock)
06/04/2017 at 08:47, STARS: 1
People have always chosen what to believe from the Bible, very few take the whole thing as truth. I’m just hoping people see Jesus spreading peace as the God they need and not the dickhole in the old testament. I’m an atheist but I fully understand why people latch onto religion and won’t judge anyone for it. They could right for all I know.
"Twingo Tamer - About to descend into project car hell." (oppisitelock)
06/04/2017 at 08:48, STARS: 1
Theresa May already made a worrying speech about regulating the internet. Sometimes these things are used as an excuse to excercise more control.
"pip bip - choose Corrour" (hhgttg69)
06/04/2017 at 08:54, STARS: 0
you’re correct, he shouldn’t be deported, but RCMP clearly want him gone
i personally have no problems with possible terrorists/actual terrorists being deported like that though.
"Berang" (berang)
06/04/2017 at 09:35, STARS: 0
Religion enables people to be assholes the world over.
"Twingo Tamer - About to descend into project car hell." (oppisitelock)
06/04/2017 at 09:43, STARS: 2
I’m an atheist myself and not here to advocate religion. But it’s a personal choice and we have to respect that to a point. I firmly believe if religion didn’t exist people would find another excuse to be a shitbag. There are still plenty of people who find peace in religion.
"Berang" (berang)
06/04/2017 at 09:43, STARS: 0
Very few? Well that’s optimistic.
"Berang" (berang)
06/04/2017 at 09:47, STARS: 1
Which means what? About jack shit really. Lots of people find peace in alcoholism. That doesn’t mean it’s good for them, or the people around them. Killing, stealing, destruction, abuse - there is no end to the misery religion causes, enables, and justifies. Oh yeah, but it’s a good distraction for plenty of folks, and some of them even do good for society at large sometimes, that definitely makes up for all the scams, schemes, cults, kidnappings, murders, terror, and so on. Yeah, wonderful thing this believing in fantasy more deeply than reality. Religion is just the most dangerous form of escapism.
"Twingo Tamer - About to descend into project car hell." (oppisitelock)
06/04/2017 at 09:47, STARS: 0
I know many religious people and none of them take the Bible literally. I prefer to believe that’s the case to be honest.
"Twingo Tamer - About to descend into project car hell." (oppisitelock)
06/04/2017 at 09:50, STARS: 1
My point here is that people deserve choice. If we persecute religion are we any better than those who commit crimes based on faith? All you can do is educate and hope that sense prevails. Pushing people from faith may make them cling more closesly to it and resent you for your actions.
"Berang" (berang)
06/04/2017 at 09:51, STARS: 1
I grew up in an extremely religious household, and saw hundreds of people who took the bible literally. I’ve met people who’d say patently insane things, while others nodded and agreed over lunch, as though saying completely batshit crazy things was just a normal polite thing to do. You’d never spot them in a crowd, but once they’re in their comfort zone you’d see how fucking terrifying all this really is. You have no idea how completely divorced from reality most people are.
"PS9" (PS9)
06/04/2017 at 09:53, STARS: 0
First, blow up some little girls. Then, attack randoms who have no idea someone’s going to try to kill them today. What’s next, set orphanages on fire? Sniper out some old ladies? Gatling gun down some pregnant women? Its things like this that convince me that there is no god, because if I were god and I saw you doing that, I’d teleport you to the surface of the sun.
"Berang" (berang)
06/04/2017 at 09:57, STARS: 2
A lot of people need to have reality slapped into them. I don’t have a problem with that happening. Saying people should be allowed to believe in mass delusions if it makes them happy, and never mind the problems it often causes, isn’t reasonable.
"Twingo Tamer - About to descend into project car hell." (oppisitelock)
06/04/2017 at 10:04, STARS: 1
In that case I understand your point of view. I just can’t bring myself to condemn people for what they believe. I don’t like being harassed for wearing a bad religion shirt, same way Christians probably don’t want to be harassed for what they believe. I’m not afraid to criticise religion I just don’t have the right to force anyone to do anything. Hell I’m wearing this shirt today.
"Vítor" (vitorcesar)
06/04/2017 at 10:05, STARS: 0
Every day that goes by the world gets closer to 1984's Oceania...
"Twingo Tamer - About to descend into project car hell." (oppisitelock)
06/04/2017 at 10:06, STARS: 0
I firmly believe there’s no God and always have. Things are fucked and only getting more and more fucked. I try to be an optimist but at my core I believe that humanity will extinguish itself some time in the near future.
"Twingo Tamer - About to descend into project car hell." (oppisitelock)
06/04/2017 at 10:07, STARS: 1
What’s the alternative? An overbearing state that tells you what to believe? I don’t want to live in that world.
"Twingo Tamer - About to descend into project car hell." (oppisitelock)
06/04/2017 at 10:10, STARS: 0
That’s what I’m afraid of.
"Berang" (berang)
06/04/2017 at 10:12, STARS: 1
If what they did didn’t have consequences that effect nearly all of society, I’d agree. It’s easy to see the obvious things like extremists and televangelist scammers, which for the most part only affect believers, but so many of the problems associated with religion are insidious and affect everybody in society.
"Berang" (berang)
06/04/2017 at 10:24, STARS: 1
No, just one where we stop excusing the problems with religion. You know, for instance, that when diagnosing mental illness, exceptions have to be made for the “magical thinking” of the religious? We literally let people off the hook for insane beliefs and behavior just because their particular delusions are culturally acceptable. And it hasn’t really done our world a lot of good.
Meanwhile many of them don’t really care about what happens to us or our world, so long as they personally get rewarded in the respective afterlife of their own religion.
"Twingo Tamer - About to descend into project car hell." (oppisitelock)
06/04/2017 at 10:27, STARS: 2
But where do you draw the line. Us enthusiasts are contributing to pollution for the sake of our personal interests. Should the state make us all drive little low pollution boxes for the greater good. Should motorsport be banned because people get maimed or die? Freedom is important and is worth the trouble it brings.
"Berang" (berang)
06/04/2017 at 10:33, STARS: 0
Trump didn’t become president by attending a couple races then thumping his hand on a repair manual.
"Twingo Tamer - About to descend into project car hell." (oppisitelock)
06/04/2017 at 10:34, STARS: 0
Those beliefs are very dangerous I agree. I just think a progressive education is better than outright condemnation.
"Twingo Tamer - About to descend into project car hell." (oppisitelock)
06/04/2017 at 10:40, STARS: 1
Trump becoming president is symptomatic of more than just Christian ideology. It’s a representation of a lot of the failings of modern society.
"Berang" (berang)
06/04/2017 at 10:43, STARS: 0
Sure, but I’m pointing out the fallacy of comparing religion to hobbies.
Beyond that automobiles in general have been subject to a “cracking down” on every few years for the betterment of society at large, compared to if we just did almost nothing at all simply because some of us like cars a lot.
"merged-5876237249235911857-hrw8uc" (merged-5876237249235911857-hrw8uc)
06/04/2017 at 10:48, STARS: 1
Agreed. Old Testament God was pretty vengeful, but after Jesus, we are to love all, and I’m not up on my Islamic, but from what I know, it’s pretty similar. Neither religion teaches to hate and murder. We have to be careful to remember that. Also, Christianity had some bad folks too that did some bad things in the name of “God” doesn’t make it right. But it happened and still happens.
I’ve seen firsthand people that were hateful turn a bit softer after someone had shown them love and caring. It truely works. I know I’ve become much more accepting of different religions and beliefs. I’m not so much trying to “win” folks over, but I sure will try to help them out if I can, regardless of what their beliefs are. We are all still human, and I know I’m not perfect either, so why destroy when I can help build?
"Twingo Tamer - About to descend into project car hell." (oppisitelock)
06/04/2017 at 10:49, STARS: 0
I think other than removing religion from state (America is particularly bad for this) there’s not much more that should be done. I don’t even understand how you could crack down on religion.
"merged-5876237249235911857-hrw8uc" (merged-5876237249235911857-hrw8uc)
06/04/2017 at 10:53, STARS: 1
I don’t prescribe to the same views as you, but I can understand your sentiment. It’s hard to see all the crap and think that there is a god out there. However, I have seen the good things that faith can do for people and it helps me to stay positive. And you are right I think even without religion, there would be some reason for people to do bad, just as there would be reason for people to do good. All I can do is try to do good personally and help folks out when possible. I find volunteering for different things helps to put things on perspective and if more folks did so, we’d all be more compassionate towards our fellow humans.
"Twingo Tamer - About to descend into project car hell." (oppisitelock)
06/04/2017 at 10:57, STARS: 1
This is a good mindset and while I don’t believe in a God personally I’d like to stress that I accept religion. My best friend that I’ve know for almost 20 years is religious and it never caused a problem between us. We’re just two people who happen to believe in different things.
"Berang" (berang)
06/04/2017 at 10:57, STARS: 1
Maybe stop giving religions special exceptions from reality. Heck scientology only exists because Hubbard wanted to abuse those exceptions for his own gain. Good enough reason to stop rewarding the delusional.
"Twingo Tamer - About to descend into project car hell." (oppisitelock)
06/04/2017 at 11:00, STARS: 1
I agree, I just feel disillusioned often. It’s hard to stay optimistic with all we see and experience.
"Twingo Tamer - About to descend into project car hell." (oppisitelock)
06/04/2017 at 11:01, STARS: 2
Comparing actual religion to a cult is a little unfair.
"Berang" (berang)
06/04/2017 at 11:02, STARS: 0
Religion created the environment for the creation of the cult, so it is entirely fair.
"merged-5876237249235911857-hrw8uc" (merged-5876237249235911857-hrw8uc)
06/04/2017 at 11:04, STARS: 0
I like your attitude. Again, not that agree with your beliefs, but thats okay, you be you and I’ll be me. We don’t have to agree about everything, but we should both be allowed to believe what we want. Doesn’t mean we can’t go out for a beer and discuss our views. This world would be a better place if we’d all learn to not try and make everyone believe whatever we believe.
"Twingo Tamer - About to descend into project car hell." (oppisitelock)
06/04/2017 at 11:07, STARS: 0
I think we’ll have to agree to disagree here.
"Twingo Tamer - About to descend into project car hell." (oppisitelock)
06/04/2017 at 11:10, STARS: 1
This is precisely what I’m trying to get across. It would be a cruel world where everyone was forced into one prevailing belief. Individuality is a critical component of the human experience. Being civil with others even if they disagree with you is important.
"merged-5876237249235911857-hrw8uc" (merged-5876237249235911857-hrw8uc)
06/04/2017 at 11:11, STARS: 1
There would be no one left, except maybe the Native Americans.... I fail to see the logic behind that type of action. Different religious and ethnic groups live and thrive side by side all over this country. Don’t throw out the baby with the bath water, so to speak. We just have to work together to root out the hateful and deal with that issue. And I mean all the hateful, not just group “x” or “y”, but all groups. Hate doesn’t help anyone. And the actions it allows people to do, don’t help anyone either. More hate and division is not the answer.
"Berang" (berang)
06/04/2017 at 11:11, STARS: 0
Well, it’s not really disputable. But if it makes you happy...
"merged-5876237249235911857-hrw8uc" (merged-5876237249235911857-hrw8uc)
06/04/2017 at 11:14, STARS: 2
No doubt. It’s hard sometimes to not get caught up in the negative and the urge to sharpen a pitchfork, but I try.
"merged-5876237249235911857-hrw8uc" (merged-5876237249235911857-hrw8uc)
06/04/2017 at 11:16, STARS: 0
My favorite brother in law, I have 3, is an atheist as well, but we don’t deride each other’s veiws. He doesn’t try to change me, and I don’t try to change him. We both try to do good in general.
"Twingo Tamer - About to descend into project car hell." (oppisitelock)
06/04/2017 at 11:25, STARS: 0
As it should be, I would never say that I’m 100% right and everyone should do as I do. I don’t know that for sure, it’s just what I believe.
"DipodomysDeserti" (dipodomysdeserti)
06/04/2017 at 11:42, STARS: 0
Keep in mind that the people who in invented “Old Testament god” think Jesus was full of shit.
"brianbrannon" (brianbrannon)
06/04/2017 at 13:53, STARS: 0
Saying that something isn’t true because you haven’t experienced it is a logical fallacy. Let’s ask the gays executed and women beaten for being raped because that’s the law in Islamic countries if they think Islam is about love and peace?
"yamahog" (yamahog)
06/04/2017 at 15:37, STARS: 1
I see you didn’t learn anything from the other thread where people patiently wasted lots of their time and effort.
PS: being a queer woman, white men have done more harm to me than any other demographic. You certainly don’t see me out here trying to legitimize banning them all, and how dare you fucking claim to give a shit about gays and rape victims only when it’s conveniently aligned to your particular vendetta against a specific religious minority.