by "RamblinRover Luxury-Yacht" (ramblininexile)
Published 06/03/2017 at 21:28
by "RamblinRover Luxury-Yacht" (ramblininexile)
Published 06/03/2017 at 21:28
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I’m reposting this video showing how body solder is done, because I just got to try it. Summary - laying out the soft medal is pretty easy, getting it elegantly spread is hard, getting the tinning right is even harder.
"aberson Bresident of the FullyAssed Committe" (emaxxbl)
06/03/2017 at 21:30, STARS: 0
i want to learn how to do this
"RamblinRover Luxury-Yacht" (ramblininexile)
06/03/2017 at 21:32, STARS: 0
Well, I just taught myself how to do it badly in a half afternoon, so I’m almost certain you can too.
"Die-Trying" (die-trying)
06/03/2017 at 21:33, STARS: 2
hey, ITS GENE WINFIELD..........
"RamblinRover Luxury-Yacht" (ramblininexile)
06/03/2017 at 21:40, STARS: 1
Yep. Funny thing - I got the kit from Eastwood for body solder that included an instructional DVD, and Gene on Eastwood’s Youtube channel explains twice as much, more clearly, in half the time. He’s also better in his technique, and his tips are more solid. For example the tinning with the copper brillo works really well - when the tinning compound isn’t separated and you’ve got a feel for the temperature.
"MM54" (mm54mk2)
06/03/2017 at 21:46, STARS: 0
Lead is one of those things I’d like to be able to do, but can’t think of a good reason why (such as when I’d ever use it).
"RamblinRover Luxury-Yacht" (ramblininexile)
06/03/2017 at 21:49, STARS: 2
Since I’m building a highly customized car right now and intend to do all kinds of body repair in future, it was just one of those things I figured I’d learn. Mostly because bondo in anything but a tiny thin layer is crap.
"MM54" (mm54mk2)
06/03/2017 at 21:55, STARS: 0
This is a good reason to do leadwork.
"Demon-Xanth knows how to operate a street." (demon-xanth)
06/03/2017 at 22:02, STARS: 0
What do you use for a flux with steel? I know rosin doesn’t work but acid may be too aggressive.
"RamblinRover Luxury-Yacht" (ramblininexile)
06/03/2017 at 22:11, STARS: 0
The tinning compound is a paste with tin and sometimes lead particles and acid. Eastwood has two versions - this:
http://www.eastwood.com/ew-flux-n-solder.html
and this:
http://www.eastwood.com/ew-tinning-butter-1-lb-jar.html
Having used the first kind today, it seems to work okay but separated, and I didn’t realize just how much until I used a lot of the more liquid parts of it first. Oops.
As Gene covers in the video, you have to have a fan going when you’re tinning, and you have to wash with baking soda water before going back with tin or lead.
"Die-Trying" (die-trying)
06/03/2017 at 22:16, STARS: 0
yeah, i have watched a FEW of these different lead filler videos. Bill Hines RIP, was super fun to watch. his stuff had much less narration, but guy could lead.
gone too soon.........
"RamblinRover Luxury-Yacht" (ramblininexile)
06/03/2017 at 22:18, STARS: 1
The legend... Actually, it was watching Bill that made me decide to take it up in the first place.
"Die-Trying" (die-trying)
06/03/2017 at 22:26, STARS: 0
its so amazing to watch the guys that have been doing it forever, just seamlessly lay out lead, and lay it so smooth and flat in just one or two passes, that there is just not that much work left afterwards.
i’m not much for shiny paint, i am more of a panel beater myself. and am able to get most stuff downright close to where it ought be. but lead........... sure does look fun.
remember to breathe deep around the stuff, you dont want to waste the fumes....
"The Snowman" (the-snowman)
06/03/2017 at 22:30, STARS: 2
Gene and my grandpa were buddies back in the day, I love watching Gene keep old school technique alive.
"RamblinRover Luxury-Yacht" (ramblininexile)
06/03/2017 at 22:30, STARS: 1
I’ve got the lead-free, which makes up for lack of skin poisoning by being ludicrously expensive. $60+ a pound, which means I used over fifteen bucks worth today. The chemicals are the same, pretty much, so I can always get a batch of the lead, but I figured I’d put as much of the *light* stuff that’s a little harder and can be sanded in the project before switching over, you know? 1/4 pound down, another three and three quarter pounds of current supplies to go...
"RamblinRover Luxury-Yacht" (ramblininexile)
06/03/2017 at 22:32, STARS: 0
From what I’ve heard, Gene’s how-to workshops are really not expensive - so I may try to book one later this year if I can. I like him a lot in general.
"Die-Trying" (die-trying)
06/03/2017 at 22:46, STARS: 0
nice thing is, that it is a do it once, and forget about it repair.....
"RamblinRover Luxury-Yacht" (ramblininexile)
06/03/2017 at 23:00, STARS: 1
Bondo, man. Bondo. I currently have a section of the Galaxie’s LH rear fender in a different shade of gold because I had to grind 1/8" thick of bonderp off the whole 4'+ length. Creased it on a tree branch or something, and instead of getting up inside the fender (ONE LAYER, MIND YOU, ACCESSIBLE FROM THE TRUNK, EASY) and knocking it most of the way out, they just floated it in. After which it began to crack out, because of course it did. And, they drilled holes because “holes make bondo stik bettar” because of course they did.
Spoiler: no. No, holes do not help bondo retain. That is a tale for the inexperienced and the very, very dumb.
The problem is not that bondo made body-men’s jobs easier, but that it ushered in a generation of alleged body men who simply WILL NOT FIX A DUCKING PANEL. Many of whom don’t even know any better.
"Die-Trying" (die-trying)
06/03/2017 at 23:08, STARS: 0
i have seen some atrocities with bondo. so much of the stuff i have picked up over the years, is caked with it. i usually just hammer it out, and move on. volkswagens are some of THE worst offenders. back when body work became an “any little old lady can do it” thing.
good ol’ bondo wagons......
THE nice thing about bondo, that i must admit, is that it made body shops have to price quality work somewhat competitively, because just about any fool could mud some bondo on a car.....
"Frank Grimes" (FrankGrimes)
06/04/2017 at 01:08, STARS: 0
some old dude in one of my courses showed us how to do lead with actual lead i freaked out when he picked up a angle grinder to grind down the lead i stepped way way way back and I had to speak up and tell him how dangerous what he was doing was he just shrugged it off like it was of no concern and that he had been doing it for 40 years and something something something. I guess he never heard about lead poisoning or how the effects are slow and accumulative.
"Frank Grimes" (FrankGrimes)
06/04/2017 at 01:09, STARS: 1
thats why you use aluminum filled or fiberglass body filler or structural adhesive.
"itschrome" (itschrome)
06/04/2017 at 08:11, STARS: 0
Fascinating. So this is old school bondo basically? Also is that straight lead? If so this guy has some wanton disregard for safety
"RamblinRover Luxury-Yacht" (ramblininexile)
06/04/2017 at 08:30, STARS: 1
This pre-dates Bondo as a means of filling imperfections, but is at the the same time more and less versatile. It’s stronger and doesn’t crack out in an area that flexes, and it seals, so it’s much better for seams, but it isn’t necessarily as easy to do in thin layers, and requires heating the panel. One old-school way of “just a skim coat” is to just use very thick primer, instead. Can’t be too thick or it will crack, though.
It’s a mix of lead and tin, so yes - Gene Winfield does not have any fucks to give. Although with a fan going, the only direct lead contact is with the stick itself, and since the lead/tin is alloyed and there isn’t a thick layer of lead oxide powder on the surface, it’s not as easily absorbed.
"RamblinRover Luxury-Yacht" (ramblininexile)
06/04/2017 at 08:33, STARS: 0
I’ve got the lead-free, so it’s tin/zinc and can be ground. It’s iffy to try and grind lead-base even outside the danger because it’s so much softer - it smears more. You’re supposed to use a vixen file to shape it - shavings, no vapor or fine powder.
"itschrome" (itschrome)
06/04/2017 at 08:35, STARS: 0
Cool. I enjoyed that. Video a lot i never heard of leading before.
Yeah man but that workshop has got to be contaminated as hell with led residue. Haha jesus olf school guys are hardcore.
"RamblinRover Luxury-Yacht" (ramblininexile)
06/04/2017 at 08:40, STARS: 1
Look up Bill Hines sometimes. The “Leadslinger”. He worked stuff with a higher lead percent and did almost nothing but leading well into his 90s. While smoking cigars, working seven days a week.
"Frank Grimes" (FrankGrimes)
06/04/2017 at 23:40, STARS: 0
thats what I dont get it has such a low melting temp it wouldnt even work well but he was an idiot.
"ateamfan42" (ateamfan42)
06/05/2017 at 09:57, STARS: 1
Although with a fan going, the only direct lead contact is with the
stick itself, and since the lead/tin is alloyed and there isn’t a thick
layer of lead oxide powder on the surface, it’s not as easily absorbed.
This is an important point. Unlike a lot of other toxic substances, solid lead doesn’t get absorbed through skin contact. So if you wash your hands after handling it, there’s very little risk. Ingestion of lead is bad, as is breathing vapors that might be generated.