by "Textured Soy Protein" (texturedsoyprotein)
Published 05/26/2017 at 11:12
by "Textured Soy Protein" (texturedsoyprotein)
Published 05/26/2017 at 11:12
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This is a thing our Pompadour In Chief
uttered recently
: “If you go down Fifth Avenue everyone has a Mercedes-Benz in front of his house, isn’t that the case? The fact is that … there is no reciprocity. How many Chevrolets do you see in Germany? Not very many, maybe none at all, it’s a one-way street. It must work both ways.”
The Donald is in fact correct, you don’t see many Chevrolets in Germany. Maybe someone on his staff should’ve told him that’s because there’s some other GM brand that exists in Germany instead of Chevrolet? Well, at least there was until GM sold it off.
Where you at, Kellyanne?
"404 - User No Longer Available" (toni-cipriani)
05/26/2017 at 11:17, STARS: 7
I’m sure there are Chevrolets there, people are just confusing them as Audis.
"For Sweden" (rallybeetle)
05/26/2017 at 11:20, STARS: 0
If you go down Fifth Avenue everyone has a Mercedes-Benz in front of his house, isn’t that the case?
Yes, because New Yorkers are boring and bad.
"fintail" (fintail)
05/26/2017 at 11:20, STARS: 0
I confuse them for Audi-Tesla hybrids.
"For Sweden" (rallybeetle)
05/26/2017 at 11:21, STARS: 0
The Chevrolets are owned by American servicemen.
"jimz" (jimz)
05/26/2017 at 11:21, STARS: 4
he has a glimmer of a point, though; it seems like consumers in other countries (e.g. Germany, France, Italy, Japan) care far more about buying cars from their own country’s automakers than we do.
we, on the other hand, demand cheap cheap cheap. I sadly believe that if Wal*Mart started selling Geely and BYD cars tomorrow for a few thousand less than everyone else, they’d corner the market overnight.
"Ash78, voting early and often" (ash78)
05/26/2017 at 11:21, STARS: 0
On a larger scale, it’s pretty simple: Cars designed for European roads and cities can “scale” to US needs pretty easily. The opposite is not often true. The US, Australia, and maybe China are more similar to one another. European cars work everywhere. Well, until they break, which is another discussion.
"fintail" (fintail)
05/26/2017 at 11:23, STARS: 1
The media is being so unfair! It’s a witch hunt!
"Smallbear wants a modern Syclone, local Maple Leafs spammer" (smallbear94)
05/26/2017 at 11:30, STARS: 0
And also when Chevrolet DID sell there they decided the thing to do was sell cheap Daewoo shit under their name. So now that bridge is burnt...
"Urambo Tauro" (urambotauro)
05/26/2017 at 11:31, STARS: 1
WHO SAID THAT?
"BiTurbo228 - Dr Frankenstein of Spitfires" (biturbo228)
05/26/2017 at 11:33, STARS: 1
What a chuffing moron.
Negligible investment in a less lucrative market will tend to produce negligible sales there. How does Mr Trump think it works? We buy your stuff, then magically you buy our stuff to say thanks?
Business deals yes. General purchasing, only in fairyland.
"Svend" (svend)
05/26/2017 at 11:41, STARS: 0
It’s true. Have a look at how many new Chevrolets were sold last year. None (they pulled out of Europe the other year ago or so).
"Textured Soy Protein" (texturedsoyprotein)
05/26/2017 at 11:42, STARS: 0
I don’t have detailed market share data by country but really the only markets near-totally owned by local carmakers are Japan and South Korea.
If you go to most of Europe, sure, their local carmakers are popular, and within their respective countries they may have a potentially higher market share than US-based carmakers have in the US.
I think the point he was trying to make was that the German companies should build more cars in the US rather than import them, but he did not properly communicate that.
The reality is the Mercedes factory in Alabama builds the GLE (including coupe) and GLS classes for both the US and export markets, and the C-class for the US. Similarly, the BMW factory in South Carolina is the sole global producer of the X3, X4, X5 and X6. According to BMW , “these vehicles are exported to more than 140 countries.”
So not only are the German car companies building cars in the US, they’re exporting US-made cars just how Trump likes.
"404 - User No Longer Available" (toni-cipriani)
05/26/2017 at 11:42, STARS: 1
Yeah, but the “all, wholesome, American” Chevrolets there are just Korean Daewoos.
And I’d love to see the next Cadillac One be a Chevrolet One instead.
"Textured Soy Protein" (texturedsoyprotein)
05/26/2017 at 11:44, STARS: 0
Most of the Chevrolets sold in Europe were made in Korea anyway, aside from the Camaro and Corvette.
"Svend" (svend)
05/26/2017 at 12:00, STARS: 4
When they pulled out, we had the
Aveo
Captiva
Cruze
Orlando
Spark
and the
Trax
An absolute snooze-fest. Even against Vauxhall/Opel, these were dreary.
At least when they had the Daewoo name you knew what you were getting.
"Dr. Zoidberg - RIP Oppo" (thetomselleck)
05/26/2017 at 12:05, STARS: 0
Pitiful lineup
"BritishLeyland™" (leylandcars)
05/26/2017 at 12:09, STARS: 1
It wouldn’t surprise me if there are more classic cars imported from the US is than new cars (with the exception of US-made BMWs and Benz’s).
"Vítor" (vitorcesar)
05/26/2017 at 12:10, STARS: 1
Trump himself owns a current S600 and a SLR McLaren. He surely likes Mercedes
"For Sweden" (rallybeetle)
05/26/2017 at 12:17, STARS: 0
Some Mercedes, I assume, are good cars.
"Dusty Ventures" (dustyventures)
05/26/2017 at 12:18, STARS: 2
I don’t think it’s that they care about buying domestic more than we do. I mean there’s a ton of Japanese cars in Germany/Europe. I think it’s that those other countries are better than us at “cheap reliable appliance” and better at “nose in the air luxury,” so there’s no reason for them to buy American. Plus what we historically do best (big cheap power from a big cheap engine) is both less practical there (fewer wide open roads) and, with many nations imposing a tax based on engine size, less cheap.
"Svend" (svend)
05/26/2017 at 12:18, STARS: 0
They should offer each car with a year’s supply of high caffeine energy drink to keep you awake as you drove it.
"jimz" (jimz)
05/26/2017 at 12:24, STARS: 0
I’ve experienced cheap European cars. “reliable” is not a descriptor I’d use.
"IAN_Z" (theonline)
05/26/2017 at 12:30, STARS: 1
Ooof. So you’re telling me people weren’t flocking to dealerships?
"Svend" (svend)
05/26/2017 at 12:34, STARS: 1
Only the insomniacs who had tried lavender oil on their pillow, soothing sounds of the ocean, counting sheep, etc...
"Dusty Ventures" (dustyventures)
05/26/2017 at 12:38, STARS: 0
Well no, when I said “cheap reliable” I was thinking more of the Japanese offerings
"jimz" (jimz)
05/26/2017 at 12:45, STARS: 0
ah.
"If only EssExTee could be so grossly incandescent" (essextee)
05/26/2017 at 14:04, STARS: 0
Last I checked fifth avenue didn’t have a whole lotta houses on it.
"If only EssExTee could be so grossly incandescent" (essextee)
05/26/2017 at 14:07, STARS: 0
Wait, you got a Cruze wagon?!?
"Svend" (svend)
05/26/2017 at 15:14, STARS: 0
Ye’.
"RT" (rt-p)
05/26/2017 at 16:40, STARS: 0
We also got the Camaro and Corvette, but in limited numbers and LHD only.
"RT" (rt-p)
05/26/2017 at 16:48, STARS: 1
‘Cheap European cars’ covers a whole load of countries and brands, which had varying levels of reliability in their cars in each model and throughout history. Saying cheap European cars are unreliable or vice versa would be a ridiculously big generalisation.
"404 - User No Longer Available" (toni-cipriani)
05/26/2017 at 17:50, STARS: 0
The Daewoos are owned by American servicemen.
FTFY
"wiffleballtony" (wiffleballtony)
05/26/2017 at 19:41, STARS: 0
Pretty sure Ford does decent in Germany
"pip bip - choose Corrour" (hhgttg69)
05/26/2017 at 20:00, STARS: 1
5 out of 6 were sold as a Holden too.
"Amoore100" (amoore100)
05/26/2017 at 20:31, STARS: 2
ALL of which were Daewoos. Dammit GM, why are you like this. It’s actually astounding that the ENTIRE Chevy Europe lineup is Daewoos; I knew it was a large portion but not this much.
"Svend" (svend)
05/27/2017 at 01:43, STARS: 0
Ouch. Sorry man.
"Svend" (svend)
05/27/2017 at 01:47, STARS: 2
Ye’, like I said. At least when they had the Daewoo name we knew what we were getting.
They made little to no effort to make a Chevrolet for Europe, they wanted their brand here but nothing on their part to bring more of who they are here.
"duurtlang" (duurtlang)
05/27/2017 at 10:47, STARS: 1
It’s a lack of experience with the EU market. The variety of EU brand cars available in Europe is immense. Some trouble prone ones, many perfectly reliable.
"duurtlang" (duurtlang)
05/27/2017 at 10:49, STARS: 0
It’s because Ford does invest in the European market. When you don’t invest in a market you can’t expect to sell much, especially in a market as competitive in the many EU markets.
"duurtlang" (duurtlang)
05/27/2017 at 10:51, STARS: 0
US badge US built cars imported in Europe that sell more than a handful? I can’t think of anything, well other than the Mustang. I also can’t think of anything that would be competitive.
"wiffleballtony" (wiffleballtony)
05/27/2017 at 11:31, STARS: 0
Inconceivable!
"bearfamily" (bearfamily21)
06/20/2017 at 17:11, STARS: 0
The cheap European cars I knew best when I lived there were more maintenance intensive (more frequent but affordable and easier repairs). Okay so it needs a window regulator. Easy and cheap. So it needs an alternator. Take it out and have it rebuilt at the neighborhood shop. So it needs a wheel bearing. Big deal. My cars were pretty trouble free once i worked through everything the previous owner neglected.
"bearfamily" (bearfamily21)
06/20/2017 at 17:13, STARS: 0
How many Chevys does he own?
"BobbyZim" (bobbyzim)
11/24/2018 at 00:33, STARS: 0
I wonder if there were some... METRIC to explain why cars for the European market are mostly made in Europe, and some kind of different... STANDARD why the American market (even Mercedes-Benz) would mostly be made in America.