by "Shoop" (shoopdawoop993)
Published 05/10/2017 at 17:05
by "Shoop" (shoopdawoop993)
Published 05/10/2017 at 17:05
Tags: NOT A CAR
; Airplanes
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The underlying problem in the industry is that everybody and their mother wants to be a pilot no matter what the pay is.
If left unchecked this would allow airlines to drive wages down and down by firing the people that they pay the most (ie most experience) and hiring younger, cheaper pilots. To prevent this, unions institute the seniority principles, making more loyal, expensive pilots harder to fire, because they cant fire you for someone willing to do your job for less.
This is a double edge sword, because it keeps pay down for new pilots, and relegates them to doing the shittier parts of the job. It makes the most important part of your resume at a company not your skill, or hours flown, but the amount of time youve been there. So you cant advance if youre better than someone else. It also keeps pilots from jumping ship from a shitty company because they would lose their seniority.
Without the unions, pay would equalize down, and every pilot in the industry would be paid less.
So the problem is not with the companies, or with the unions, its with the people. Yeah it sucks that it cost 80gs to learn to be a pilot that doesn’t get paid very much, but as long as lots of people are willing to do it, then it doesn’t really matter. If anything, increasing the price of pilot school would also help with the problem. Or, make flying airplanes harder
Want to be paid more as a pilot? Start telling people who want to be pilots that its shitty and not worth it.
"Ash78, voting early and often" (ash78)
05/10/2017 at 17:37, STARS: 2
Can we still do Talk Like A Pilot Day? “Yarghhh, Blackbeard 417 Heavy, ye have me clearance to walk the plank at heading two niner zero, roger!”
"Rusty Vandura - www.tinyurl.com/keepoppo" (rustyvandura)
05/10/2017 at 17:49, STARS: 1
I once heard that a top scale main line pilot earned something like $300k/yr. And there are pilots, as I understand it, who get out of a bunk to sit down at the yoke of an airliner out over the pacific somewhere, for an entire shift, and never get a chance to take off or execute a landing in an actual aircraft. These are two examples, likely few and far between and extreme examples, but examples nonetheless, of the kind of stupidity brought about by unions. There was and is a need for them, but unions enshrine mediocrity and enslave their membership and have little that’s positive to claim as their own.
"gmporschenut also a fan of hondas" (gmporschenut)
05/10/2017 at 18:43, STARS: 0
“firing the people that they pay the most (ie most experience)“
do you want a pilot with the least experience?
http://theconversation.com/rising-number-of-inexperienced-pilots-may-lead-to-more-crashes-39593
"MylesD" (mylesd)
05/10/2017 at 20:48, STARS: 0
Slightly unrelated, but timely since I’m about to start towards my sport license. Are you/is anyone on Oppo a pilot?
"Shoop" (shoopdawoop993)
05/10/2017 at 23:05, STARS: 1
its shitty and not worth it.
"Shoop" (shoopdawoop993)
05/10/2017 at 23:06, STARS: 0
no, but i do like cheaper plane tickets.
"gmporschenut also a fan of hondas" (gmporschenut)
05/10/2017 at 23:40, STARS: 0
Those 300k pilots are top billing in China as there is a huge shortage of pilots and need to quickley fill up spots. top us pilots flying 747 make 200-230k and there are relatively few compared to the thousands flying md80s earning comparative pittance.
http://money.cnn.com/2016/11/15/news/economy/china-airlines-foreign-pilots-pay/
“who get out of a bunk to sit down at the yoke of an airliner out over the pacific somewhere, for an entire shift, and never get a chance to take off or execute a landing in an actual aircraft.”
That is because it is best not to have a pilot be awake for 20+ hours. try and land a plane. They have to have at least 2 pilots so that one can fly the first half and another fly the second, or have one fly in the middle while the other sleeps.
"Rusty Vandura - www.tinyurl.com/keepoppo" (rustyvandura)
05/11/2017 at 00:14, STARS: 0
I get the reasoning, and it makes sense for the bunk pilot, but it’s that seniority deal where people get enough time in a union organization and get paid $200k to take a nap on an airplane a couple times a month. Only a union could come up with something like that. And make it so that you can’t change jobs to freshen your game because you’d lose all of your perks. That’s the enslavement part.
Don’t get me wrong: I’d love to be a pilot. In fact, when I die, I want to be known as the greatest pilot who never flew. And you’re right: they couldn’t get away with it if people weren’t so eager to do the job.
"MylesD" (mylesd)
05/11/2017 at 11:36, STARS: 0
Lolol. Ok. Well played. But seriously!
"gmporschenut also a fan of hondas" (gmporschenut)
05/11/2017 at 23:21, STARS: 0
the pilots salary in comparison to all other costs is nearly insignificant.
"Shoop" (shoopdawoop993)
05/12/2017 at 00:10, STARS: 0
6% on a 50 million dollars is still a lot. And airlines operate on pretty slim margins (4% in 2017 which was apperently a record) . 1% cost decrease would increase their margins 25% .
That’s not what I would call insignificant.