by "themanwithsauce - has as many vehicles as job titles" (themanwithsauce)
Published 04/27/2017 at 09:55
by "themanwithsauce - has as many vehicles as job titles" (themanwithsauce)
Published 04/27/2017 at 09:55
Tags: beginner bikes
; two wheels bad
; motorcycles
STARS: 1
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Redundant link to article in case of Kinja
Let me be clear - BOO THIS MAN! BOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOO!
Let me also say he’s......wrong. In stark contrast to my support of many other hot takes this morning (nothing gets me up in the morning like a nice fresh stack of hot takes) his argument is BS. And to save you all from the pain I can sum up his reason for excising all sub 500cc bikes form the market in one sentence - He was stupid on a 50cc pit bike and tried to dash away from a land cruiser.
He apparently only “got his bell rung” but I think it broke the bell in the process. I guess he forgot that super lightweight starter bikes can still out accelerate contemporary SUVs and sedans even with just 20-30hp. My pig of a bike, with it’s trail friendly gears requiring three shifts to hit 60, will still spring from a dead stop to 60 in under 5 seconds. And it only has 30ish horsepower for 450lbs of bike.
I’ll sum up my dismissal of this take with a line from the comments. “ If you can’t safely handle a routine situation with a 300cc bike, then the problem is with the rider. ”
"WilliamsSW" (williamssw)
04/27/2017 at 10:00, STARS: 2
So, if I understand this hot take correctly, we should teach our kids to drive in Hellcats, and beginning pilots should fly Boeing 737's instead of Cessna 150's? Seems legit. Oppo seems to be full of hot takes this AM...
"RamblinRover Luxury-Yacht" (ramblininexile)
04/27/2017 at 10:02, STARS: 2
I’m all about teaching kids to drive in a Model T. TERROR AND HUMILIATION.
"themanwithsauce - has as many vehicles as job titles" (themanwithsauce)
04/27/2017 at 10:03, STARS: 0
Dammit, my link got Kinja’d
"Tripper" (tripe46)
04/27/2017 at 10:03, STARS: 0
"themanwithsauce - has as many vehicles as job titles" (themanwithsauce)
04/27/2017 at 10:04, STARS: 1
Wait never mind, it didn’t? I think?
"Sir Halffast" (Sir_Halffast)
04/27/2017 at 10:04, STARS: 0
I feel like it should be common knowledge that light weight = quick, regardless of how small the horsepower number seems. I’ve never ridden a motorcycle of any sort, but me and my cousins would routinely risk life and limb on a 200lb go-kart with a 5hp Tecumseh when we were kids. A light tap of the throttle ought to tell you all you need to know, no matter how little power it seems to have.
"WilliamsSW" (williamssw)
04/27/2017 at 10:04, STARS: 0
But that’s the 2nd worst car ever made in all of history!! Think of the children!
"WilliamsSW" (williamssw)
04/27/2017 at 10:06, STARS: 0
No, it’s not Kinja’d at all - - I’m just being stubborn and not clicking through, so as to not give the hot take any more clicks. :) So I was just being snarky, based on what you wrote—
"TheHondaBro" (wwaveform)
04/27/2017 at 10:07, STARS: 1
No. Beginning pilots need to learn in 747s.
"RamblinRover Luxury-Yacht" (ramblininexile)
04/27/2017 at 10:07, STARS: 1
I AM.
"themanwithsauce - has as many vehicles as job titles" (themanwithsauce)
04/27/2017 at 10:08, STARS: 1
Okay, good. And yes, his hot take deserves no more attention. It is a truly awful take in an otherwise good stack of takes this morning.
"Flavien Vidal" (flyingfrenchy)
04/27/2017 at 10:08, STARS: 0
Honestly, I can’t ride a bike... I suck at it and don’t even have a license. I think an Hayabusa would suit me well though. Sure it has insane possibilities, but it scares me shitless.
It’s how I’ve dealt with powerful cars my entire life and why I’ve never had an accident. Power scares me shitless. I’m much more likely to crash my Austin Mini that I drive full throttle on the edge all the time, than I’m likely to crash a Corvette... (Owned one before)
I think I’d be the same person if I were to actually learn to ride a bike and get a license. Probably worse lol. An Hayabusa would most certainly be a safer bike for me than something I know I can play with, that is light and that I can hammer around :)
So yeah, if I were to get my license I’d get an Hayabusa as a first daily driven bike. I’d have something else to learn how to push a bike around on a track, but for daily drives... The more powerful and the more scared I am, the better :)
"themanwithsauce - has as many vehicles as job titles" (themanwithsauce)
04/27/2017 at 10:08, STARS: 1
I googled his name. He has written about his trip to baja a couple dozen times and wrote a few articles for gizmodo that were subpar.
http://gizmodo.com/tag/justin-w-coffey
"WilliamsSW" (williamssw)
04/27/2017 at 10:10, STARS: 0
Damn. I was hoping for a MiG-29, with an operating manual in Russian.
"TheBloody, Oppositelock lives on in our shitposts." (thebloody)
04/27/2017 at 10:18, STARS: 0
SELF CENTERING STEERING!?! THAT IS FOR PEOPLE WHO EARN IT, YOU LITTLE SHITSTAIN!
"Wheelerguy" (wheelerguy)
04/27/2017 at 10:31, STARS: 0
I can’t believe it’s RideApart.
"Rust and Dust - Oppositelock Forever" (rustanddust)
04/27/2017 at 10:33, STARS: 0
My opinion is somewhat baseless, as I’ve had very minimal experience on a motorcycle. This probably has something to do with me spending the last 20 years staring at the damage an ultra high strength steel exoskeleton (aka a car) sustains in collisions. I want no part of that on a motorcycle.
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Even though I’ve not spent any time piloting a motorcycle on public roads, I’ve cycled quite a bit on a couple different continents. Even in a car, I don’t know that I’ve approached an intersection I had right of way in without being fairly aware of what’s coming, and prepared for them to not follow the rules of the road. It was a goddamned Land Cruiser, how do you not see that coming?
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And finally, at the end of the fourth paragraph, a half-hearted acknowledgement that maybe he fucked up. His solution? More power (in best Clarkson voice)!
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Motorcycle virgin question: wouldn’t you really want a footful of rear brake more than a handful of front? I’d anticipate getting launched over the bars and becoming a speedbump for the Cruiser if he’d chosen that alternative
).
Very rarely have I found acceleration to be the best option for avoiding an accident. Usually, braking and evasive maneuvering serves me well. I’d imagine this to be especially so on something as nimble as a 50cc bike.
I’m also curious how much time transpired between his Land Cruiser incident, and the “attempt to overtake a slow-going Grandma” on a Rebel 300, where he now considers himself a “seasoned rider”.
TLDR: I admittedly know nothing about, but still like like motorcycles, two wheels good, but this guy is a twit.
"RamblinRover Luxury-Yacht" (ramblininexile)
04/27/2017 at 10:38, STARS: 0
NOW BACK OFF ON THE SPARK! ARE YOU A FUEL WASTER? TURN DOWN THE THROTTLE LEVER TO COMPENSATE!
"themanwithsauce - has as many vehicles as job titles" (themanwithsauce)
04/27/2017 at 10:42, STARS: 1
While the rear brake is an excellent way to help balance and steady a bike in low speed maneuvers (it acts as a way to limit power delivery and smooth things out) it often isn’t powerful enough to do serious stopping on its own.
But your assessment is 100% dead on. Yes, he needed more power to speed out of the way of the land cruiser....but he shouldn’t have needed to do that in the first place. That was poor judgement on his part. Plain and simple.
I imagine a few years have passed but I don’t think he’s learned a whole lot. I have never heard any other motorcycle reviewer claim that they couldn’t safely ride the rebel 300. I think he’s just a terrible rider.
"Future next gen S2000 owner" (future-next-gen-s2000-owner)
04/27/2017 at 11:05, STARS: 0
It appears that the maturity and decision making capability of the rider is more important than the power/abilities of your first motorcycle. Who woulda thunk it.
"Danger" (dangerray)
04/27/2017 at 11:07, STARS: 0
That guy is so wrong it’s kind of sad.
"themanwithsauce - has as many vehicles as job titles" (themanwithsauce)
04/27/2017 at 11:09, STARS: 0
Yep. Fear is definitely the best feeling to instill in a young driver/rider :P
"DucST3-Red-1Liter-Standing-By" (ducst3-red-1liter-standing-by)
04/27/2017 at 11:36, STARS: 0
ummm yeah.....NO!!
"diplodicus" (diplodicus)
04/27/2017 at 11:43, STARS: 0
What makes no sense to me is that he says he rode dirt bikes as a kid but he didn’t know how to operate a clutch? I only have experience on a shitty old yamaha 125cc enduro bike from the late 70s I got when I was like 11 for 300$, I traded it for the shittiest quad in the world too, big mistake. And my uncles 250 Kawasaki enduro of the same vintage. But I knew how to operate a clutch, and as far as I’m aware all dirt bikes have clutchs?
"TheBloody, Oppositelock lives on in our shitposts." (thebloody)
04/27/2017 at 11:48, STARS: 0
I SWEAR TO GOD IT’S LIKE YOU’RE TRYING TO PISS ME OFF, HANDBRAKE LEVER GOES ALL THE WAY DOWN! THEN YOU DEPRESS THE PEDAL! NO NOT THAT PEDDLE, THAT’S THE BRAKE, ARE YOU FUCKING RETARDED!?! CHRIST, YOU CAN’T BE MY CHILD!
"RamblinRover Luxury-Yacht" (ramblininexile)
04/27/2017 at 11:51, STARS: 0
STALLED?! NO, I WON’T ADVANCE THE SPARK FOR YOU WHILE YOU CRANK YOU LITTLE TWERP! YOU NEED TO KNOW ALL THIS SHIT AND DO IT YOURSELF SO YOU WON’T DIE IN A DITCH - CHOCK THE WHEEL FIRST FOR FUCK’S SAKE!
"TheBloody, Oppositelock lives on in our shitposts." (thebloody)
04/27/2017 at 12:04, STARS: 1
NO, NO, NO KEEP THE SPARK FULLY RETARDED, JUST LIKE YOU ARE! DO YOU WANT TO BREAK YOUR HAND FROM THE KICK BACK!? COULD YOU BE ANY MORE LIKE YOUR MOTHER!?
"RamblinRover Luxury-Yacht" (ramblininexile)
04/27/2017 at 12:17, STARS: 1
SHOULD I BE SURPRISED YOUR WEAK LITTLE WRISTS HURT? CRANK HARDER AND SPIT ON YOUR HANDS - OR USE YOUR TEARS, WHATEVER.
"RamblinRover Luxury-Yacht" (ramblininexile)
04/27/2017 at 12:23, STARS: 1
Oppo: the leading website for fictional Model T-based child abuse.
"TheBloody, Oppositelock lives on in our shitposts." (thebloody)
04/27/2017 at 12:27, STARS: 0
Come for the shitposting, stay for this.
"DipodomysDeserti" (dipodomysdeserti)
04/27/2017 at 12:53, STARS: 0
I agree with the sentiment, but driving and riding are two very different things. Having fear on a bike isn’t necessarily a good thing. Fear leads to accidents.
"DipodomysDeserti" (dipodomysdeserti)
04/27/2017 at 12:54, STARS: 1
Rear brakes aren’t good for stopping. They’re used more for stabilizing the bike.
"DipodomysDeserti" (dipodomysdeserti)
04/27/2017 at 13:14, STARS: 0
Recommending people learn to ride on a 45 hp, 500cc bike is a hot take? Most people consider a 500cc bike a beginners bike. I do think it’s funny he recommends a new 500cc Honda over a vintage 400cc bike when my vintage Honda 450 makes the same power at the Rebel 500.
My first bike was a ‘79 CM185 and had 10hp. I pretty much had to ride in traffic at the whim of other drivers. I couldn’t really accelerate out of bad situations, and was usually left with kicking doors (in a you’re about to run me into a curb way, not a I’m going to kick your ass way). I moved up to an SV650 after a few months and did fine. The seating angle was the biggest shock at first.
"themanwithsauce - has as many vehicles as job titles" (themanwithsauce)
04/27/2017 at 13:40, STARS: 0
The new 500s are meant for new/inexperienced riders for sure, and if you’re comfortable with them, more power to you. But they aren’t necessary. That’s the issue here - the author is stating that anything under 500cc is dangerous, but as evidence he cites personal stories that show he is a terrible rider who probably shouldn’t be on a bike.
"DipodomysDeserti" (dipodomysdeserti)
04/27/2017 at 14:41, STARS: 0
A someone who has ridden a 10hp bike in city traffic and on a highway, I would have to agree that it is probably safer to be on something with a bit more power. Obviously if you’re a bad rider than it doesn’t matter. I ride a forty five year-old bike in a big city with minimal protection, so I might not be the best judge of safety.
"themanwithsauce - has as many vehicles as job titles" (themanwithsauce)
04/27/2017 at 16:14, STARS: 0
Oh I wouldn’t ride the really low displacement bikes on the freeway (I think you have to have at *least* 200cc to be highway legal?) but around town, when you’re getting your first taste of riding? 250cc is plenty. Hell, everywhere else makes you start off on scooters and 125cc bikes and they end up doing pretty well.
"ThePenguin" (ThatOtherGuy7)
04/27/2017 at 16:21, STARS: 0
I think it’s more the writers assertion that anything under 500cc is unecessary.