by "Bob Loblaw Made Me Make a Phoney Phone Call to Edward Rooney" (braddelaparker)
Published 04/24/2017 at 11:59
by "Bob Loblaw Made Me Make a Phoney Phone Call to Edward Rooney" (braddelaparker)
Published 04/24/2017 at 11:59
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Per David Tracy, the Raptor is “miserable” because of some fairly stupid reasons, paramount among which is his commentary on the mileage while towing:
My results over about 1,700 miles: 9.4 MPG.
Clean off your glasses and brighten the screen all you want, but that really does say 9.4 MPG. It’s a pathetic figure that made driving this truck on the highway genuinely miserable. Even though the ride was actually really quiet and smooth, having to fill up that 36-gallon tank every 350 miles pained my heart and pocketbook.
1,700 miles at 9.4 MPG: 180 gallons @ $2.42 (nat’l average) = $437 of gas. 5 stops for gas.
1,700 miles at 12 MPG: 141 gallons @ $2.42 (nat’l average) = $342 of gas. 4 stops for gas.
Delta: $95, one extra stop. Is that what misery is for a guy who has probably ingested more brake fluid in the past month than a Cuban mechanic does in a year?
Engineers: great with calculus, horrible with very simple math that unravels silly anecdotes.
"Nibby" (nibby68)
04/24/2017 at 12:00, STARS: 5
1+1=11
"Bob Loblaw Made Me Make a Phoney Phone Call to Edward Rooney" (braddelaparker)
04/24/2017 at 12:01, STARS: 5
That’s software developer math.
"Nibby" (nibby68)
04/24/2017 at 12:02, STARS: 0
Good point
"benjrblant" (benjblant)
04/24/2017 at 12:04, STARS: 1
Didn’t the Raptor adopt the EcoBoost turbo v6 to improve fuel economy?
fueleconomy.gov says
6.2l v8 is rated at 13-16mpg
3.5l v6 is rated at 15-18mpg.
"Bob Loblaw Made Me Make a Phoney Phone Call to Edward Rooney" (braddelaparker)
04/24/2017 at 12:06, STARS: 5
Ostensibly, yes it was in the name of power + fuel efficiency, but the reality is that the switch was made to satisfy CAFE and provide marketing fluff, both of which it has done flawlessly.
"Smallbear wants a modern Syclone, local Maple Leafs spammer" (smallbear94)
04/24/2017 at 12:08, STARS: 0
"haveacarortwoorthree2" (haveacarortwoorthree2)
04/24/2017 at 12:09, STARS: 1
There’s no way he could have flown from SLC to Detroit on Delta for $95, one-stop or not. :)
"duurtlang" (duurtlang)
04/24/2017 at 12:11, STARS: 0
I saw your reply and agreed strongly. $95 price difference for a 1700 mile trip. That’s absolutely nothing.
"benjrblant" (benjblant)
04/24/2017 at 12:11, STARS: 2
Is that the elusive Silverado Raptor?
"Santiago of Escuderia Boricua" (sdiglesias)
04/24/2017 at 12:14, STARS: 1
Everything I’ve heard about those trucks is that they’re calibrated to feel like V8s and have great passing power so people think they’re fast. Ford may have passed up the benefits of the drivetrain in the name of butt feel and marketing. His point is valid
"450X_FTW" (mistermic)
04/24/2017 at 12:15, STARS: 3
$437 > $342
Therefore, 12 MPG is better for fuel economy and cheaper than 9.4 MPG. Because, science.
"Bob Loblaw Made Me Make a Phoney Phone Call to Edward Rooney" (braddelaparker)
04/24/2017 at 12:15, STARS: 2
"Bob Loblaw Made Me Make a Phoney Phone Call to Edward Rooney" (braddelaparker)
04/24/2017 at 12:16, STARS: 0
The numbers I contest not. $95 constituting misery for a man who takes daily baths in carcinogens I do contest.
"LongbowMkII" (longbowmkii)
04/24/2017 at 12:16, STARS: 0
Turbocharged engines get good economy unladen. Not so much under load.
"450X_FTW" (mistermic)
04/24/2017 at 12:18, STARS: 7
"Rico" (ricorich)
04/24/2017 at 12:19, STARS: 1
His pocketbook ?
"benjrblant" (benjblant)
04/24/2017 at 12:19, STARS: 0
Not according to the EPA!
"Dr. Zoidberg - RIP Oppo" (thetomselleck)
04/24/2017 at 12:20, STARS: 2
Fuel economy sucks regardless, but no one buying a Raptor is going to view this as a deal-breaker.
"OpposResidentLexusGuy - USE20, XF20, XU30 and Press Cars" (jakeauern)
04/24/2017 at 12:22, STARS: 1
10 while towing(even with it mostly empty) is not really that bad. We got around that in our 2014 Toyota Tundra Platinum with a FJ40 on the back. Granted it was like having a heavy barn door on the back but nonetheless.
"CalzoneGolem" (calzonegolem)
04/24/2017 at 12:23, STARS: 3
That’s before the trailer and Jeep are attached to it.
"TorqueToYield" (torquetoyield)
04/24/2017 at 12:23, STARS: 4
It’s a huge truck with huge off-roady tires, a 450HP engine, towing a trailer plus heavy parts and tools in the back, at highway speeds, through not-flat terrain...9.5mpg doesn’t even seem that bad to me? I dunno, what did he expect?
"LimitedTimeOnly @ opposite-lock.com" (limitedtimeonly)
04/24/2017 at 12:29, STARS: 1
Can he get a pass if we realize that he is no longer an engineer, but now a professional auto writer?
"benjrblant" (benjblant)
04/24/2017 at 12:35, STARS: 0
http://thegarage.jalopnik.com/dying-clothes-with-used-motor-oil-is-the-solution-to-yo-1744414942
"StndIbnz, Drives a MSRT8" (stndibnz1)
04/24/2017 at 12:46, STARS: 0
Its an engine platform that Ford has invested in, saying it is less thirsty then the V8's they are replacing when in fact they are not. Its a valid observation.
"MasterMario - Keeper of the V8s" (mastermario)
04/24/2017 at 12:58, STARS: 0
I’d be curious as to what the 6.2L Raptor gets towing though. I’d imagine pretty similar.
"Frenchlicker" (frenchlicker)
04/24/2017 at 12:58, STARS: 0
I do not. I would rather get an oil bath from my Jeep than stop at a gas station an extra time.
"OPPOsaurus WRX" (opposaurus)
04/24/2017 at 13:15, STARS: 2
so his issue with an offroad racing designed truck is highway fuel economy... ok
"Highlander-Datsuns are Forever" (jamesbowland)
04/24/2017 at 13:20, STARS: 0
Towing is where a diesel or larger V8 makes so much more sense. The engine doesn’t have to work very hard to pull that extra 3,000 pounds of trailer and rust heap. Unladen highway crusing I typically get 17-20 in an F350 with the 6.7L turbo diesel. I would imagine 15-17 if towing a car trailer+shit heap. You also wouldn’t even notice that you were towing anything with the F350 it has so much power.
"190octane" (admiralcb)
04/24/2017 at 13:47, STARS: 2
Not just highway fuel economy, but highway fuel economy while towing, if I’m understanding this correctly without reading the initial article.
"Bob Loblaw Made Me Make a Phoney Phone Call to Edward Rooney" (braddelaparker)
04/24/2017 at 14:02, STARS: 1
*giggling* you’ve got me there
"Bob Loblaw Made Me Make a Phoney Phone Call to Edward Rooney" (braddelaparker)
04/24/2017 at 14:04, STARS: 0
That’s not at all what he’s saying. He’s saying that that relatively marginal difference in laden fuel mileage makes it a miserable vehicle to drive.
From a financial or time cost the numbers just don’t support that observation.
"Bob Loblaw Made Me Make a Phoney Phone Call to Edward Rooney" (braddelaparker)
04/24/2017 at 14:05, STARS: 0
Makes a lot of sense, right?
"Bob Loblaw Made Me Make a Phoney Phone Call to Edward Rooney" (braddelaparker)
04/24/2017 at 14:05, STARS: 0
You are spot on.
"OPPOsaurus WRX" (opposaurus)
04/24/2017 at 14:08, STARS: 0
yea i didn;t notice that. clicky click click bait
"Die-Trying" (die-trying)
04/24/2017 at 14:35, STARS: 0
*whispers..........premium costs more........... between 268 and 299 locally.........
"Bob Loblaw Made Me Make a Phoney Phone Call to Edward Rooney" (braddelaparker)
04/24/2017 at 14:49, STARS: 2
That is entirely fair:
180 gal of premium @ $2.92 (national average) = $526 vs. 141 gal = $411
$115 delta
"450X_FTW" (mistermic)
04/24/2017 at 15:13, STARS: 1
When in doubt, Vin Diesel meme haha
"AMGtech - now with more recalls!" (amgtech)
04/24/2017 at 15:45, STARS: 0
Even aside from cost and efficiency figures, I don’t like to drive more than that in a single shot without stopping to relieve myself and stretch anyways. Big deal.
"S62B50daily" (s62b50daily)
04/24/2017 at 15:46, STARS: 0
Got it wrong again: 180gal of regular fuel = $437. Compare this to 141gal of premium fuel = $413. A delta of $24 dollars. That 12MPG number is also pulled out of a hat.
"Bob Loblaw Made Me Make a Phoney Phone Call to Edward Rooney" (braddelaparker)
04/24/2017 at 15:49, STARS: 0
Yes, but it’s David’s number.
Why are we comparing regular to premium now?
"NJAnon" (NJAnon)
04/24/2017 at 19:54, STARS: 0
I didn’t get read the article either. Does he make a claim that towing should still mean the truck gets the same MPG? towing anything will have increased weight unless the laws of nature math etc have changed.
I also agree 1+1=11 and it also equals 2. :P
"S62B50daily" (s62b50daily)
04/24/2017 at 20:24, STARS: 0
Because that’s the whole point of your post, no?
"Bob Loblaw Made Me Make a Phoney Phone Call to Edward Rooney" (braddelaparker)
04/25/2017 at 09:29, STARS: 0
No, his claim is just that the mileage penalty while towing is extremely high and makes the entire vehicle miserable to drive.
"NJAnon" (NJAnon)
04/27/2017 at 16:34, STARS: 0
Well when you see David Tracy, tell him to exclude those truck reviews then. :)