by "Svend" (svend)
Published 04/09/2017 at 03:38
by "Svend" (svend)
Published 04/09/2017 at 03:38
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Okay I keep hearing that cars in America are cheaper, so clue me in.
What’s needed when buying a new car and getting it legal on the road?
In the U.K. we have a RRP (recommended retail price) + VAT (value added tax @ 20%) = List price for the car and OTR (on the road) price.
OTR price is the list price of the car + delivery charge (£ varies) + some fuel in the tank +licence plates(however much it costs to print the licence plates, about £40) + road tax (depending on CO2 tax band) + first registration fee (typically £55).
Take my car £25,525 + metallic paint £555 + options £300 = List Price £26,380.
((though I got £5,000 taken off in discounts, purchase incentives and loyalty discount)).
So what is required to put a car on the road, U.S. style?
Gratuitous Piglet shot.
"Flavien Vidal" (flyingfrenchy)
04/09/2017 at 03:44, STARS: 3
A lot less taxes...
"bob and john" (bobandjohn)
04/09/2017 at 03:47, STARS: 3
usually:
price of car + sales tax (varies per region, no more then 15%) + delivery/freight of getting the car to the dealer + registration/plates (usually under $100)
"Svend" (svend)
04/09/2017 at 03:49, STARS: 0
Is registration with the DMV included in the price of the car, is there emissions tax or yearly inspection fee?
"DC3 LS, will be perpetually replacing cars until the end of time" (dc3ls-)
04/09/2017 at 03:50, STARS: 1
Holy fuck, I’m glad we’re not eco-commies ;)
Edit: didn’t see you specified new cars, this is for used cars. Just add shipping and having to pay the full sales tax.
In Washington and Texas, for the most part I might leave something out, you pay sales tax (The seller discloses the sale price and has no incentive to put the price you actually paid, wink wink) and the registration fee is about $50.
If you’re in Texas there isn’t even emissions testing unless you live in one of the major cities. In Washington it’s about every 5 years or something.
I don’t think there’s a fee for the plates, but if there is it’s small. They’re just made in prisons anyway.
"Svend" (svend)
04/09/2017 at 03:51, STARS: 0
Is there a DMV charge or any tax related fee to getting it on the road?
I can’t get over the U.S. having to pay a tax on a used car sold privately.
"f86sabre" (f86sabre)
04/09/2017 at 03:51, STARS: 1
Most all states have a yearly registration tax. The amount varies wildly by state. Not all states require annual inspections. Mostly the northeast US and maybe California.
Initial out the door purchase price is typically the price of the car and extras, state and local sales tax and maybe the first year’s registration depending on the state.
"Bman76 (hates WS6 hoods, is on his phone and has 4 burners now)" (bman76-4)
04/09/2017 at 03:52, STARS: 1
Sales tax wherever you first tag the car (around 7%) and a small plate fee ($15-35). That’s about it.
"promoted by the color red" (whenindoubtflatout)
04/09/2017 at 03:56, STARS: 1
Yes, you will have to pay tax & title on your purchase to the state. This varies by state as Oregon charges zero tax while its neighbor California will charge you an additional $4000 for tax & title on a $27000 Miata.
"Svend" (svend)
04/09/2017 at 03:57, STARS: 0
How much does state and local taxes come to?
"Flavien Vidal" (flyingfrenchy)
04/09/2017 at 04:01, STARS: 2
Many states have no inspection and registration is usually a couple hundred bucks... Taxes are usually between 0 and 8% depending on your state. Most of time between 5 and 8%.
"Svend" (svend)
04/09/2017 at 04:01, STARS: 0
Our plates are made at authorised locations such as approved garages, MOT testing stations.
We have yearly testing (on vehicles after three years old) that even a check engine light on will fail.
"Audistein" (Audistein)
04/09/2017 at 04:03, STARS: 2
In the US it’s usually called the “out-the-door cost” instead of OTR in my experience. I always negotiate on this cost.
Usually it’s [list price (including delivery price) + state tax + local tax + state fees + dealer document fee + first year’s registration (license plates)] = out-the-door.
I just bought a new car a couple months ago but I can’t recall all the details. I’m sure there are more reliable and comprehensive sources but this is from memory.
Some states have no sales tax on cars while others have a quite high one. In my area, the normal sales tax is like 9% or something but tax on cars specifically is around 7%. Even if you buy a car in a state with no sales tax on cars, states with tax will make you pay it when you register your vehicle there. Additonally, some states only tax you on the difference in price between your trade-in and the car you’re buying while others always calculate tax with the full value of the car being purchased.
Other state fees are often strange things like “tire recycling fee” or stuff like that. Don’t remember exactly what it was but it’s something like that Usually $5-$50 and there may be one or two of them.
Dealer documentation fees are basically a scam to get dealerships more money. Some state thankfully have limits on these but in other states dealers use this as a trick to basically charge the customer an extra $500-$1000 over the agreed-upon “price” of the car. Every dealership charges them and they are a huge problem which needs to be regulated.
Some terrible dealerships will even try to tag on some other random fees on there just to charge people more money. I haven’t seen this personally but it’s not uncommon.
"Svend" (svend)
04/09/2017 at 04:03, STARS: 0
That’s a large chunk of money which goes way over our on the road price.
"f86sabre" (f86sabre)
04/09/2017 at 04:13, STARS: 1
What Flavien said. You can occasionally find sales where the dealership will pay the tax.
"Svend" (svend)
04/09/2017 at 04:15, STARS: 0
That’s crazy that there is so much variation. My Skoda dealer couldn’t try hard enough to give me more money off to buy the car there and then (nearly 20% off the OTR price, paid £21,—- on a £26,—- new build car).
Yearly tax is £30 based on emissions, though the same car if it was registered on the same day 2017 would £140.
"Svend" (svend)
04/09/2017 at 04:19, STARS: 0
The vat (value added tax) of 20% is in with the price, the OTR price is between £230 and £500. So although it sounds like a lot is added, it really isn’t.
"promoted by the color red" (whenindoubtflatout)
04/09/2017 at 04:20, STARS: 1
Or the Carmax calculator is horribly wrong, which would suck because I ended up saying no to the Miata...
"bob and john" (bobandjohn)
04/09/2017 at 04:21, STARS: 1
yes and no. the ‘sales tax’ goes to the DMV one way or another. used or new. if the car is new, then its paid by the deal when they go to get your plates.
"Audistein" (Audistein)
04/09/2017 at 04:27, STARS: 1
That sounds like an awesome deal! 20% off a car is amazing.
Sales taxes, registration costs, and dealer doc fees can vary a lot between states. It’s very crazy.
Another big difference between US and UK is that here MSRP and all advertised prices don’t include tax! In the US, you could choose a car with a $26,000 MSRP, negotiate the price down or get an advertised price of $21,000, but still end up paying more than $24,000 out-the-door due to taxes, fees, and registration only then being added.
"Svend" (svend)
04/09/2017 at 04:32, STARS: 0
That makes sense how the DMV gets the new car tax even if the used car tax is crazy.
"Svend" (svend)
04/09/2017 at 04:38, STARS: 0
Ours are either advertised as list prices (with tax) or OTR price, either is clearly labelled as such.
I knew we were getting a loyalty discount and some discount but when I cheekily said, ‘what sort of discount can we get?’, the saleswoman replied, ‘your getting around £5,000 off the list price’. To which I said wow, smiled and sat back in my chair.
"Wagon Guy drives a Boostang" (gimmeboost)
04/09/2017 at 04:40, STARS: 3
It completely varies from state to state within the US. The Federal government doesn’t have any say in auto sales either used or new. Each state maintains their own licensing of both drivers and vehicles, and have differing requirements for inspections/taxes/fees.
I have lived in states requiring no inspection, but yearly vehicle tax based on value. Other states I have lived in have had low licensing requirements and taxes but yearly inspections. To get a complete picture you would end up with at least 50 different situations, more when you consider states like Texas and Illinois that require different inspections based on registration location (emissions mostly).
In buying my new Mustang last year, I paid $1600 in taxes, plus $160 in registration for two years, plus $250 in dealer fees. New vehicles are granted a two year inspection upon sale, but thereafter you have to get it inspected every year.
When I bought a car in Pennsylvania (very long ago so things may have changed) I had to pay a state tax, a local tax, and $24 for vehicle registration and plates.
When I lived outside of Chicago, we had a yearly emissions inspection requirement, but I don’t remember what the taxes/registration fees were.
When I was an Indiana resident (even longer ago), there was a state tax that varied by age of the vehicle and overall size/engine displacement, but no vehicle inspection either annual or emissions.
Like I said, it varies by state/city, etc..
"Gerry197" (Gerry197)
04/09/2017 at 04:43, STARS: 2
California does not require any safety inspections of any kind for any car or motorcycle unless it was converted from rebuilt to salvage title, then only done once to get a salvage title.
Cars 6 years or newer and built from 1975 or older do not require smog test. All other gas cars require smog test once every two years.
"Svend" (svend)
04/09/2017 at 04:51, STARS: 0
How does the yearly vehicle tax based on value work?
The U.S. system operates like the E.U. each state is a different country with such varying laws, taxes, etc...
"Wagon Guy drives a Boostang" (gimmeboost)
04/09/2017 at 05:04, STARS: 1
They used a state vehicle valuation book with initial values set by initial sale price with a depreciation factor every year. Again, I live there very long ago, so I don’t remember it all exactly.
Yeah, there’s a lot of variance by location in the US. I’ve seen folks from outside the US take extended vacations here, fly in, buy a vehicle wherever they start their trip and drive it from there, but usually they buy something used/collectible and the end of the trip takes it to a port to be shipped home.
"AndyG_UK" (ajg1974)
04/09/2017 at 05:25, STARS: 1
Yeah we get it easy with used cars compared to the US, my Leon was only 6 months old when I bought it yet was 9k cheaper than new, not having to pay that 20% vat really helped!!
"AndyG_UK" (ajg1974)
04/09/2017 at 05:36, STARS: 1
Our system (though I know we do pay slightly more for new cars than the US) is much simpler to understand. The price we see is the price we pay for the car to be fully paid and legally on the road (before any discounts we can negotiate!), no paying this tax to here and another tax to there etc.
"Svend" (svend)
04/09/2017 at 05:39, STARS: 1
Used car prices in the U.K. are insanely low.
I’ve seen people come from Cyprus and Malta to buy vehicles, namely vans and mini buses.
"Svend" (svend)
04/09/2017 at 05:41, STARS: 2
Buying in the U.K. is so simple and so easy.
Piglet was specced and ordered in half an hour from walking in to walking out again having paid the deposit.
"Eric @ opposite-lock.com" (theyrerolling)
04/09/2017 at 07:14, STARS: 0
Technically, the US is just like the EU (they’re actually modeled after us). It’s a republic comprised of a group of member states. Their borders were mostly drawn by treaties, not war or geographic features, hence all the straight lines for borders you see throughout North America.
"Eric @ opposite-lock.com" (theyrerolling)
04/09/2017 at 07:24, STARS: 0
I believe WA cities are using a CA-style emissions regime now of testing every other year and on title changes. I have never officially lived in a zip code subject to these tests, so I don’t know. The registration fee has gone up quite a bit and some zip codes are now paying massive taxes on the value of the car for various things (the big recent one was the ST3 tax, which everyone is very unhappy about).
"Eric @ opposite-lock.com" (theyrerolling)
04/09/2017 at 07:30, STARS: 0
Where in CA has a 15% sales tax?
I thought the sales tax was ludicrous when I moved to where I now live. CA rates are lower (but not much), but I also save on income and property taxes (which are high here, but not as high as CA, but we also don’t have prop 13, so they can increase rapidly here).
"Eric @ opposite-lock.com" (theyrerolling)
04/09/2017 at 07:32, STARS: 1
They really are. The US prices are nosebleed high for used cars. I don’t know how/why people ever buy new in the U.K., considering how little value used cars retain.
"Eric @ opposite-lock.com" (theyrerolling)
04/09/2017 at 07:39, STARS: 0
As an added note: That cutoff for older cars has been significant in the CA used car market for decades now. It was supposed to move up to include later cars over time, but never was by the state regulators. Cars built after the cutoff have a tiny fraction of the value of cars built before it.
Nobody junks a car from before the cutoff because a VIN attached to a pile of rusted out parts is worth more than a flawless example of a car from a day after the cutoff...
"duurtlang" (duurtlang)
04/09/2017 at 07:44, STARS: 1
This whole drama I hear about buying a car in the US is something I don’t recognize. Not that I ever did buy a new car, but I’ve never heard anything similar in Europe.
Then again, from the dozen or so cars I’ve bought in the last few years I paid cash every time.
"shop-teacher" (shop-teacher)
04/09/2017 at 08:37, STARS: 1
In Illinois, on top of list price, you pay sales tax, a title fee, and a registration fee. The sales tax varies based on what county you live in, it runs from 7-10%. This tax is the same for new cars and for used cars that you buy at a dealer. If you buy a used car from a private party, they use a chart based on how old the car is. For the cheap old cars I mess around with, the sales tax was $25.
The fee to get a title issued in your name is $95, and annual registration for cars and light trucks is $101. There is also a small fee if you’re transferring license plates from one vehicle to another, but I don’t remember what that is. License plates are issued to the owner in my state, they don’t go with the vehicle.
I have seen some dealers try to charge a $700-800 “documentation” fee, but the real charge for title, plates and fees from a dealer is around $250. As an educated consumer, I know to walk from those shadey dealers.
"My X-type is too a real Jaguar" (TomSlick)
04/09/2017 at 08:47, STARS: 0
It is an Excise or Ad Valorum tax, where I live when they had it, after 10 or so years the car reached the minimum tax value. My state recently switched to an initial registration tax of about 7% it is collected by the dealer when you purchase if you buy a car at private sale you pay it when you register car, they have a valuation book and base it on that so you can’t walk in with a bill of sale reading $1.00 and register it paying 7 cents in tax.
"Supreme Chancellor and Glorious Leader SaveTheIntegras" (jegoingout)
04/09/2017 at 09:51, STARS: 1
On a new car you pay the price + taxes + tags (registration) + delivery and soemtimes bullshit dealer fees.
"FTTOHG Has Moved to https://opposite-lock.com" (alphaass)
04/09/2017 at 09:58, STARS: 1
It’s not really a “used car tax” so much as in the US we are supposed to pay sales tax on all goods transactions, new or used. If I buy a used guitar for $500 at the music shop, the shop collects $40 in sales tax from me and hands it over to the Government. Generally, this is ignored on private transactions on CL or at swap meets. Nobody ever pays the $16 tax when buying an old dining table for $200 on CL, and the authorities aren’t chasing anyone down. For cars, though, the Govt can enforce tax being paid by refusing to register the vehicle until there is proof appropriate tax has been paid. The primary reason for this being that used cars can be very expensive so the tax they would be missing out on is considerable.
To throw another wrinkle into this situation, we can deduct this sales tax paid to the state on both new and used cars from our taxable income to the Federal Govt. When I bought my last car, deducting that tax lowered my Federal taxes by something like $50 so it was a weird little rebate on the taxi had paid to Texas.
"Svend" (svend)
04/09/2017 at 10:02, STARS: 0
Here, there’s a whole cache about having the new licence plate.
From 1963 it used to be a yearly thing of a new letter, meaning a new licence plate year on 1st of August, however from 1998 they had to make new licence plates bi-annually, and from 2001 they changed from a letter denoting the year to two numbers as they ran out of letters and the new system will be okay up to 2051, because the auto industry was having issues with everyone wanting to pick up their new car on the day of the new registration, where anything from 10-30% of all new car registrations were made so there was a lull all year then suddenly a frantic rush to get all the cars collected in the first week after the new licence plate came out. All because people wanted to be seen to be driving the newest and latest car. So this year for example we have AB 17 CDE denoting the car was registered between 1st of March and 31st of August 2017. On 1st of September the next licence plate AB 67 CDE will come out, denoting the car was registered between 1st of September and 28/8th of February.
Cars typically depreciate around 30% after three years which isn’t bad. After that it depends on several things, is the car a particularly great or desired car, what emissions tax band does it fall into (tax bands work on when the car was registered as well as the amount of CO2 they put out, how many of them are there (there are masses of Vauxhall Corsa and Ford Fiestas so depreciation is high so they are cheap but also means parts are incredibly cheap which then works in the cars favour that they don’t plummet too much).
"Svend" (svend)
04/09/2017 at 10:04, STARS: 0
Aren’t you Holland based?
"duurtlang" (duurtlang)
04/09/2017 at 10:06, STARS: 1
I am. I never heard anyone here complaining about the issues with buying a new car. Other than taxation that is.
"Svend" (svend)
04/09/2017 at 10:10, STARS: 0
Cheers fella. So there is some sort of consensus in the U.S. system to a degree at first in the cost of the car and then a big change afterwards in whether or not there is a tax on the car’s registration, etc...
"Svend" (svend)
04/09/2017 at 10:18, STARS: 0
When we buy and sell a used car there is no tax system to pay on the car, just a simple V5 document to notify the DVLC (U.K. DMV) of a change of owner. Seller tears off a section, fills it out and sends it to the DVLC in Swansea, the buyer gets the other portion and fills it out and sends it to the DVLC, the new owner will get a new V5 document of ownership shortly afterwards from the DVLC in the post.
The tax at a used car dealership is in the price of the car just as it is with a new car or anything else.
The only time tax is not paid on a new vehicle is if it’s a business vehicle (you can buy a used vehicle and pay full price and get the tax refunded on application).
"shop-teacher" (shop-teacher)
04/09/2017 at 10:19, STARS: 1
Yeah, it’s wildly different from state to state. I used to think Illinois was an expensive state to own a car in, but through Oppo I’ve learned about things like annual personal property tax and safety inspections. We don’t have any of that stuff here, so I guess it’s not so bad.
The only inspections we have are emissions checks every other year. Even those are only for OBD2 vehicles (‘96 and up), and only if you live in Chicago or the surrounding counties. I do live in that area, but the test is free and the longest I’ve ever had to wait was 20-30 minutes. Again, not so bad.
"Svend" (svend)
04/09/2017 at 10:22, STARS: 0
Seems really the only notable thin is out tax is built into the price (ie List Price or OTR price) where you have a price for the car then a tax based on where it’s bought then as ours, registration fee + delivery charge.
Bullshit dealer fees wouldn’t get past here as there are so many consumer laws, tax laws, business laws, etc... the dealership would either get closed, close down from lack of trade or lose it’s franchise with the manufacturer.
"Textured Soy Protein" (texturedsoyprotein)
04/09/2017 at 10:28, STARS: 1
We have no CO2 road tax.
Certain particularly inefficient cars are subject to a gas guzzler tax but it’s rare.
Our sales tax is a much lower rate than your 20% VAT. Each state has its own sales tax rate (a couple have none, like Delaware) but for example here in Wisconsin it’s 5.5%.
Advertised prices never include the taxes because every state is different.
"Svend" (svend)
04/09/2017 at 10:33, STARS: 1
Here the tax on the used car is paid by the dealership as part of their business tax. You buy the car from the dealer, he banks the money and pays business rates on how much the dealership has earned each month.
No paying the dealer x amount and then going to the government to pay y amount on the x amount you paid at the dealer.
Also we pay income tax in the U.K. so the tax on how much we earned is already deducted. The only time it’s not done that way is if you are registered as a business on which case you fill out self assessment forms and then either get a bill for insufficient tax paid over the year or rebate for too much tax paid over the year.
Income tax isn’t much either when you really look at it.
Your allowance of £10,000 a year before you start to pay tax on you income.
Last year I think I earned £19,000 before tax and national insurance of which I paid £1,631
You get a breakdown of how much you paid and where it went each year.
"Svend" (svend)
04/09/2017 at 10:36, STARS: 0
I suppose when your buying a car from the U.S. there are some hurdles non-U.S. citizens can avoid.
Hell a U.S. citizen can’t escape U.S. taxes even if they live abroad. If they earn more than $35,000 a year after paying the taxes in their host country, they have to pay tax on it to the U.S.
"FTTOHG Has Moved to https://opposite-lock.com" (alphaass)
04/09/2017 at 10:37, STARS: 1
If we had that in the US we’d need special categories for nepotism and corruption :P. Seriously though that’s a pretty cool report for the Govt to put together. PS I’m gonna go ahead and make a new post with the Buyers Order from my Forester so everyone can see how it works in the US.
"Svend" (svend)
04/09/2017 at 10:47, STARS: 0
Ye’, we have a set 20% tax but it’s factored in with the price and not added afterwards. Also the U.S. has a larger number of taxes, etc... so I gather.
Here we book a car in for an MOT (test of emissions and well, really the whole car).
The MOT test is carried out to DVSA guidelines and includes a comprehensive inspection of the vehicle to ensure it is in a roadworthy condition.
The nominated tester in centre will check the following components to ensure each meets the minimum standard set out by the DVSA before issuing an MOT certificate.
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The MOT test checks that the Vehicle Identification Number, commonly referred to as the VIN, is present and legibly displayed on the vehicle. The VIN is a unique code including a serial number that is stamped on the vehicle. The location of the VIN varies from one vehicle manufacturer to the next.
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The MOT tester will check the condition, security, legibility and the format of letters and numbers on your registration plate. The spacing and lettering on the number plate must meet current regulations and should not be altered in any way.
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The MOT test checks the condition, operation, security and colour of your vehicles lights. The test will also check to see if the headlamp aim is correct.
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The MOT tester will also check the steering and suspension components for correct condition and that the operation is correct.
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During the MOT the tester will check your vehicle’s wipers and washers ensuring they operate properly and give the driver a clear view of the road.
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During the MOT the tester will check your vehicle’s windscreen for any chips or cracks. The maximum damage size is 10mm in the drivers’ line of vision or 40mm elsewhere in the remaining area swept by the wiper blades.
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The MOT test will cover the horn’s operation for effectiveness and suitability.
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All seatbelts including those in the rear of the vehicle are checked for type, condition, correct operation and security and that all compulsory seatbelts are in place.
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Your vehicle’s front seats are checked for security during the MOT test.
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The fuel system is checked during the MOT test for leaks and that the fuel cap fastens and seals securely.
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The MOT test checks your exhaust emissions, ensuring that the vehicle is within the specified guidelines and that the exhaust is complete, secure, without serious leaks and silences effectively.
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Vehicle structure and body shell are checked during the MOT test for excessive corrosion or damage in specific areas of the vehicle. Any sharp edge can result in an MOT failure.
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The MOT tester will check that the doors open and close correctly and that the latch is secure in a closed position. Front doors should open from both the inside and outside of the vehicle. Rear doors may need to be opened to gain access to testable items like rear seatbelts.
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The mirrors on your vehicle are checked during the MOT test for condition and security.
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The nominated MOT tester will check the vehicle’s wheels and tyres for a number of key points: the condition, security, tyre size and type and tread depth.
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The MOT tests the efficiency of the vehicle’s braking performance, condition and operation. Most vehicles are tested on a roller brake tester.
Any light on the dashboard that shouldn’t be lit during operation is also a fail (ie airbag, inspection, check engine, etc... light).
"Supreme Chancellor and Glorious Leader SaveTheIntegras" (jegoingout)
04/09/2017 at 11:25, STARS: 1
As far as I know, some states cap these “dealer fees” (NY is at $75). Some states though do not like NJ, where I’ve seen fees from $499 up to $1200.
"Svend" (svend)
04/09/2017 at 11:36, STARS: 1
Bloody hell.
It’s a wonder these places still exist if they are doing crap like that.
That crap wouldn’t go down well over here.
"If only EssExTee could be so grossly incandescent" (essextee)
04/09/2017 at 12:46, STARS: 1
[Ignore this comment I didn’t see the “new car” part before I hammered out a lengthy paragraph]
"SpeedSix" (speedsix)
04/09/2017 at 13:24, STARS: 1
Most safety inspections in Canada and the U.S. don’t appear to check for headlamp aim, since poorly installed cheap HID conversions abound in cheap cars.
"Eric @ opposite-lock.com" (theyrerolling)
04/09/2017 at 13:47, STARS: 0
Seriously. The US isn’t a first world country. Developing, at best. The difference between us and a third world country is that our corruption/bribery is codified...
"shop-teacher" (shop-teacher)
04/09/2017 at 14:52, STARS: 1
Wow, that’s really thorough! Instead we have vehicles like this on the roads.
"Svend" (svend)
04/09/2017 at 15:10, STARS: 0
Bloody hell. They’d be banned and have there MOT removed straight away.
It’s not like some cars don’t push there luck.
Because a certificate lasts a year, a lot can happen in a year we have VOSA (vehicle inspectorate) mobile units that can check vehicles they come across on the road and if necessary remove them from the road straight away.
"shop-teacher" (shop-teacher)
04/09/2017 at 23:21, STARS: 0
Here’s the really crazy thing... I’ve seen vehicles that were a lot worse on the road. Those are just the two most recent rusty car pics I’ve taken on my phone.
"Svend" (svend)
04/10/2017 at 01:34, STARS: 0
I’ve seen some of the pictures posted on Jalopnik and OPPO of Walmart car parks, etc...
Ye’, we still get cars with bits of rust here and there (namely around the wheel arches and behind the front wing and door sills) but were talking quite small areas.
The images you pointed of the rusted cars would be taken off the road as soon as the police or VOSA saw it as it’s not just some structural rust but a great hazard to pedestrians both on the road and when parked.
"shop-teacher" (shop-teacher)
04/10/2017 at 07:11, STARS: 0
Yeah, cars like this should be taken off the road. You never know when they’re just going to collapse. There’s no authority here that does that though.
"Svend" (svend)
04/10/2017 at 12:39, STARS: 0
You’d of thought they would be with how protective the U.S. is over the automotive industry. Or rather politicians pretend to be when voting season comes around but they soon forget.