by "LJ909" (lj909)
Published 04/04/2017 at 14:19
by "LJ909" (lj909)
Published 04/04/2017 at 14:19
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I don’t know how I wasn’t aware of this but apparently Cadillac is planning 8 all new or redesigned models by 2022. Here’s whats on the agenda (apparently) for them according to Automobile:
XT3: (Compact crossover) in 2018
CT3: (ATS Replacement) in 2018
XT7: (Seven-seat crossover that is reported to be on Omega. Other reports put say it will use the platform underpinning the redesign Buick Enclave/Chevrolet Traverse) in 2019
CT5: (Replacement for the CTS) in 2019
XT1 or XT2 (Subcompact crossover) in 2020
XT5 Redesign (Possibly going on Omega) in 2021
CT1 or CT2 (A3 and CLA fighter) in 2021
CT8: (Flagship using Omega) in 2021
What do you guys think of this? I don’t know how I feel about an XT1/XT2. I REALLY don’t know how I feel about an A3 or CLA fighter from them. I don’t want a Caddy badged Cruze.
"ToyotaFamily" (robbav35)
04/04/2017 at 14:24, STARS: 1
Im with you on the CLA fighter, I don’t think they need to go that downmarket.
"CB" (jrcb)
04/04/2017 at 14:25, STARS: 7
“Let’s get rid of names and switch over to letters!”
>Fifteen years later
“Letters are out, letters mixed with numbers are in!”
>Fifteen more years later
“We’re going to start naming our cars in emojis!”
"Gerry197" (Gerry197)
04/04/2017 at 14:25, STARS: 1
Considering their one crossover is outselling all their cars combined, I suggest they drop all their cars and go full crossover.
"Shift24" (the-nope)
04/04/2017 at 14:27, STARS: 1
Agreed, no Cruze Caddy because it has never gone well
Cimarron = Cavalier
Catera = Opel Omega (I know sort of mid size but still)
"Ash78, voting early and often" (ash78)
04/04/2017 at 14:28, STARS: 0
Prediction: The auto market correction will eliminate half of those models before they hit the lots. Caddy will wisely stick with 3-5 core models that sell well. Maybe one of them won’t be a crossover. Maybe.
"Tom McParland" (tommcparland)
04/04/2017 at 14:28, STARS: 2
Keep in mind that Automobile cited “analysts predictions” for future Caddy models, not Caddy themselves.
“In total, analysts predict four new crossovers:”...
That’s not to say these cars won’t happen, but the source is not GM.
"LJ909" (lj909)
04/04/2017 at 14:29, STARS: 1
Its that damn Johan de Nysschen’s fault.
"Chariotoflove" (chariotoflove)
04/04/2017 at 14:46, STARS: 0
It is, and that alone is reason to fire him. I don’t want Cadillac trying to be like Infiniti.
"Chariotoflove" (chariotoflove)
04/04/2017 at 14:47, STARS: 1
I am psyched at how far Cadillac has come and where it’s going. I hope they can pull off even a third of what they say they have planned.
"SPAMBot - Horse Doctor" (spambot2002)
04/04/2017 at 14:48, STARS: 0
I really wish they would make a smaller Escalade. Sorta like the Range Rover Sport. Keep the boxy, in your face look, but make it smaller. Why make another generic CUV that is totally forgettable when you can play off the styling of your unofficial “flagship”?
"LJ909" (lj909)
04/04/2017 at 14:48, STARS: 0
Thats what i was thinking as well. A lot of these models seem to be “the Germans and Japanese (mainly Lexus) can do this so we can too”. They just need the ATS/CT3, CT5,CT8 the XT5 and the Escalade, which the seems like it’ll replace.
"LJ909" (lj909)
04/04/2017 at 14:50, STARS: 0
I assumed as much. But at the same time the predictions arent wild enough to where they wont happen like you said. I see a lot of redundancy though.
"LJ909" (lj909)
04/04/2017 at 14:51, STARS: 1
I could do without the crossovers and small cars. They should the flagship we’ve been waiting like 20 years for and a halo car.
"LJ909" (lj909)
04/04/2017 at 14:53, STARS: 0
Probably because that would eat Enclave and Acadia Denali sales. The Escalade, although one of triplets, has always been on another level since the 2nd gen set it apart from the Tahoe twins. I could see them doing this if they switch it over to what Im thinking the XT7. But it wont be the same. They would have to be foolish to get rid of the Escalade name. It has more brand cache than Cadillac itself in some ways.
"nermal" (nermal)
04/04/2017 at 14:54, STARS: 1
Let’s see what their customer base thinks about that:
"Chariotoflove" (chariotoflove)
04/04/2017 at 14:57, STARS: 1
I’m not a crossover person either. But, that’s what pays the bills, I suppose.
"Land_Yacht_225" (nadenator)
04/04/2017 at 14:57, STARS: 5
I NEED A CT8! They keep cancelling it but I need my big Caddy! I need a car worthy of junkyard Fleetwood Brougham badges and a custom full padded roof and white wall tires!
And I don’t want a Caddy badged Cruze either. Yuck. May as well just call it a Cimarron.
"LJ909" (lj909)
04/04/2017 at 14:58, STARS: 0
Well Grandpa Joe on the right probably has a Corvette, so Grandma is the one that probably wants her gold CTS
"LJ909" (lj909)
04/04/2017 at 15:01, STARS: 0
I dont get why they keep considering it and then changing their minds. There is a market there. If there weren’t, Lexus wouldn’t have just redesigned the LS. Some people have been longing for a large luxury car from GM. Buick alienated their buyers when they took away the Lucerne and the Lacrosse isnt big enough, the XTS is just an Impala in a nicer suit and the CT6 is in a weird gray area that no one asked it to be in of bigger than a CTS but smaller than a 7 series, but commands flagship prices.
"Quadradeuce" (quadradeuce)
04/04/2017 at 15:05, STARS: 0
My wife saw the Cadillac commercial featuring the Escala concept, and was genuinly enthralled. And she could care less about cars. She cares more about features. I hated to tell her that it wasn’t a car you could buy. Hopefully Cadillac gets its head out of its ass and produces a full size car that makes a statement like the Escala.
"itschrome" (itschrome)
04/04/2017 at 15:05, STARS: 1
I’m excited dispute the fucking absolutely stupid, ridiculous, meaningless, inane naming scheme and cross overs. How ever if they keep pulling the 80% bullshit while asking for more money they will just bog down sales and die..
Seriously the interior of the ATS is not ok.. the XTS was not ok.. Buck up and do it right. also flag ship brand only motor or GTFO
"SPAMBot - Horse Doctor" (spambot2002)
04/04/2017 at 15:13, STARS: 0
In theory, it would sit above the Enclave and Arcadia. Much like the CT5 is now. This could even slot above the CT5. Have the Escalade, Escalade Active/Sport/Dynamic/Other Millennial Buzzword, CT5, etc.
"Justin Hughes" (justinhughes54)
04/04/2017 at 15:15, STARS: 1
Crossovers are where they have to go to stay in business, unfortunately. I just read that the XT5 alone annihilated sales of all other Cadillac sedans combined. I don’t like it, but what I like doesn’t matter here.
"Urambo Tauro" (urambotauro)
04/04/2017 at 15:16, STARS: 0
The alphabet soup doesn’t even make sense. “Cadillac CT#” stands for “Cadillac Cadillac Touring #”. It’s like the Ferrari LaFerrari, but worse.
"Land_Yacht_225" (nadenator)
04/04/2017 at 15:18, STARS: 1
https://www.cars.com/research/compare/?acodes=USC70CAC232D0,USC70GSC021B0,USC70MBC751A0
If you run a comparison tool, the shocking thing is that the CT6 wheelbase is only off by about 2" from its long wheelbase rivals, 2.5" shorter overall than a full blown S-Class. But for some reason it appears small. All the crap that surrounds it and a V6 as its top powertrain (turbo though it may be) skews it down market in many people’s eyes. We want and expect American excess, and what we got was this oddball that slots somewhere between European SWB and LWB flagship as a cost saving measure so they wouldn’t have to have two different flavors of frame, rear door, and driveshaft.
I’m not saying I want 19 feet of Cadillac like in 1975 (ok, I do, but I realize that is unrealistic) but if everybody else is doing, like, 17' how about we measure to the next foot (like Jeremy Clarkson says we do) and call it nice, even, excessive 18 feet of Cadillac? Is that too much to ask? Back in the day a Caddy Fleetwood had the Mercedes 600 by about a foot overall.
"LJ909" (lj909)
04/04/2017 at 15:22, STARS: 0
The only way it would sit above is in the luxury content. They are all seven seaters.
"LJ909" (lj909)
04/04/2017 at 15:27, STARS: 0
Yea that gets to my whole point of it being in a weird gray area because Cadillac has lost its balls. On top of that, something is off about the CT6 to me. I don’t know what it is. Maybe it has something to do with all the crap that surrounds it like you said. But I know that the flagship buyers of other brands aren’t even checking for it.
"Textured Soy Protein" (texturedsoyprotein)
04/04/2017 at 15:28, STARS: 0
XT5 is their best-selling model by a huge margin—in March it outsold all of Cadillac’s sedans combined .
BMW has X1, X3, X5 and is coming out with an X7 (let’s ignore the abominable X4 and X6 in this).
Mercedes has GLA, GLC, GLE, GLS (and their equally abominable GLC and GLE “coupes”).
Audi has Q3, Q5, Q7 (and thankfully no stupid fastback versions thereof). Q7 is kinda in-between the X5/GLE and X7/GLS.
Lexus is weird with their large compact NX, small midsize RX, but then truck-based GX and LX.
Acura sells tons of large compact but effectively midsize RDX and 3-row MDX.
Adding a subcompact XT1, compact XT3, and full-size XT7 would give Cadillac lots of volume.
I think they’ll have a much easier time selling a subcompact XT1 crossover than a subcompact CT1 sedan to compete with the A3/CLA. The Chevy Trax and Buick Encore sell great even though they’re objectively crap. Hopefully GM tries harder with the XT1.
I especially think that in the high end of the price scale Cadillac will have a much easier time selling an XT7 than trying to crack into competing against the established full-size luxury sedans. That’s a relatively small niche, although those cars are definitely higher profit margins for their manufacturers.
"LJ909" (lj909)
04/04/2017 at 15:42, STARS: 0
That’s the thing though, they cant really afford to be looking at what everyone else is doing and trying to emulate that. They are still part of GM, and whatever way they go, if they go with this proposed product lineup, could step on Chevy or Buick’s toes and isn’t necessarily what their customers or the market wants from the specifically. Just because the Japanese and specifically the Germans have a lineup of models that are pretty much versions of the car above and below them doesn’t mean it’ll work with Cadillac. They need to go their own way. Be uniquely American Luxury. Not American Luxury line of Mercedes and BMW me too models.
Something isn’t working with them. It could be customers don’t think they are worth the money, or something, but its not helping their cars, and the XT5 outselling all the other models isn’t really anything when you consider the king the RX.
"SPAMBot - Horse Doctor" (spambot2002)
04/04/2017 at 16:11, STARS: 1
Oops, didn’t realize those were 7 seaters. I’m not versed in GM CUVs haha
"Sweet Trav" (thespunbearing)
04/04/2017 at 16:14, STARS: 2
If the ATS and CTS replacements show up in 2018 i will be extremely surprised considering I just got a contract extension for Alpha 1 parts until DEC 2019...
"IAN_Z" (theonline)
04/04/2017 at 16:20, STARS: 1
If the CT8 doesn’t look exactly like this:
we riot
"LJ909" (lj909)
04/04/2017 at 16:22, STARS: 0
Do you know something we dont?
"IAN_Z" (theonline)
04/04/2017 at 16:24, STARS: 1
Dead horse beating alert. With every segment splitting off into subsegments and niche vehicles, alphanumeric names really make less sense than ever. You want to create a slightly-smaller-than-large crossover to slot between the XT7 and XT6? You’ve kinda screwed yourself.
"Sweet Trav" (thespunbearing)
04/04/2017 at 16:25, STARS: 0
Lots of things you don’t. Hell, I’ve seen an XT3 in the flesh, but I can’t tell you a damned thing.
"LJ909" (lj909)
04/04/2017 at 16:38, STARS: 0
That was one of my points: they dont need to copy the Germans, and especially not BMW, with a model and in between model for everything. Their sales aren’t there for that.
"LJ909" (lj909)
04/04/2017 at 16:38, STARS: 0
Damn I wish you could spill.
"Sweet Trav" (thespunbearing)
04/04/2017 at 16:43, STARS: 0
Don’t have any details on the CT1/CT2 though. But if the ATS and CTS are any indication: it will handle well, better than the German counterparts. You wont be able to bet a manual with the engine you want, short of the V series version. It will ask the same price, or more for one of the German competitors, but without the brand image of the German Competitors so no one will buy the damned thing. The Cadillac Brand is run by a fool, Mary Barra needs to take him out behind the woodshed and put him out of his misery.
"LJ909" (lj909)
04/04/2017 at 16:46, STARS: 1
I’ve been saying that since he started his damn alpha numeric naming scheme. Cadillac’s now have the problem of actually being more competitive than they have been at any point in history before, but with buyers now, especially luxury buyers being so caught up in image, no one notices or buys. Its why many of us have probably never seen or can count on one hand the times we’ve seen for example an ATS-V out in the wild.
"Vicente Esteve" (vicente-esteve)
04/04/2017 at 16:47, STARS: 1
I don’t care what they do but the Escalade HAS to keep being the Escalade.
"Sweet Trav" (thespunbearing)
04/04/2017 at 16:49, STARS: 0
I’m in Detroit, I see ATS-V’s all the time.
"LJ909" (lj909)
04/04/2017 at 16:54, STARS: 0
Something makes me think it wont because of a couple things:
The fact that an XT7 crossover is in the rumor mill, and has been for awhile, puts a nail in the Escalade’s coffin.
The fact that it was rumored a couple of years ago that the Escalade might switch over to unibody.
de Nysschen’s propensity for alpha numeric naming. The Escalade being an actual name goes against his plans.
And the fact that I highly doubt that Cadillac would have 2 large 7 seater SUV’s on sale at the same time that weren’t a standard and long wheelbase version of each other.
"LJ909" (lj909)
04/04/2017 at 16:55, STARS: 0
Thats because Detroit. I’ve seen maybe 3 since they’ve went on sale, and I’m in Southern California. I see more M3's and M5's on a daily basis.
"Sweet Trav" (thespunbearing)
04/04/2017 at 16:57, STARS: 1
Which is funny because the cts and ats v are objectively better cars
"LJ909" (lj909)
04/04/2017 at 17:01, STARS: 1
But no one notices or cares to notice enough to matter. All because it doesn’t have the roundel or 3 pointed star on the front.
"Vicente Esteve" (vicente-esteve)
04/04/2017 at 21:18, STARS: 1
The Escalade was the only Cadillac that kept with the Cadillac tradition of big car, brash styling and not giving a damn. I understand where you are coming from, but my guess is it will be very hard to let go of such an important nameplate.
"Axial" (axial)
04/04/2017 at 23:02, STARS: 0
Don’t really care what they do with the models, but if they follow through on de Nysschen’s plan to take the styling in a more “traditional, horizontal” direction they will be dead to me.