by "Andy Sheehan, StreetsideStig" (AndySheehan-StreetsideStig)
Published 03/30/2017 at 11:15
by "Andy Sheehan, StreetsideStig" (AndySheehan-StreetsideStig)
Published 03/30/2017 at 11:15
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Property ownership, like any other investment, is a risk. You might move into an area that will soon be taken over by meth head juggalos, reducing your property value. Your area might soon get a whole beige shopping center, increasing it. But it’s a risk you take when you sign up.
It is fully within your rights to mitigate that risk with careful planning. At the most extreme end of this, it’s a gated community with heavy rules. Take it down a notch and you have an HOA.
It is not (or should not be) within your rights to tell others what to do with their property because you’re not happy with how your gamble is playing out. Remember, you took the risk of buying a piece of property, fully aware that the those around you could reduce its value. You don’t get to manage their lives because you’re afraid that they might.
So park your truck in your back yard. Park your plane in your driveway. Build a shop where you’ll help your friends work on their cars. And don’t stop others from doing so because you can’t deal with the fact that your investment might go wrong.
Your neighborhood is not a business. You are not its CEO. Suck it up and spend your time making money to offset your kinda potential losses.
EDIT: I probably shouldn’t have used the truck as the picture example, because it seems like the laws, however dumb, were already on the books when he bought his awesome truck. I don’t think it’s right for him to demand that a community change their laws because he didn’t read up.
This is mostly written to the people who try to change laws for specific instances of “scary” vehicles, or try to get fully legal vehicles removed because, “Err nrr, ma propty valuoos!” And those who join them in this ideology.
"Honeybunchesofgoats" (honeybunche0fgoats)
03/30/2017 at 11:19, STARS: 5
In all fairness, this isn’t neighbors complaining, it’s the city—fairly or not—enforcing an ordinance. Due diligence goes both ways.
"Seat Safety Switch" (seat-safety-switch)
03/30/2017 at 11:19, STARS: 1
I figure if I’m the one making the neighbourhood bad, I can stop at any time.
"CalzoneGolem" (calzonegolem)
03/30/2017 at 11:20, STARS: 8
Ah so this is gonna be Oppo for today?
"OPPOsaurus WRX" (opposaurus)
03/30/2017 at 11:24, STARS: 1
so what, u wanna fight about it?
"Chris_K_F drives an FR-Slow" (chriskf)
03/30/2017 at 11:26, STARS: 3
You might move into an area that will soon be taken over by meth head juggalos
There should be a juggalos clause in every housing contract that entitles you to a no-strings-attached out with a full refund if any juggalos move in near you. Or better yet, you should be able to drive juggalos out of their homes, if they move in near you, without retribution.
"Andy Sheehan, StreetsideStig" (AndySheehan-StreetsideStig)
03/30/2017 at 11:27, STARS: 1
This is true. I’m mostly responding to a separate post.
"Andy Sheehan, StreetsideStig" (AndySheehan-StreetsideStig)
03/30/2017 at 11:29, STARS: 2
I certainly hope not.
"Viggen" (viggen37)
03/30/2017 at 11:30, STARS: 1
Let me know when it’s over.
"My X-type is too a real Jaguar" (TomSlick)
03/30/2017 at 11:31, STARS: 3
Exactly, city ordences are city the law. Like it or not, there should be no special exceptions.
"Justin Hughes" (justinhughes54)
03/30/2017 at 11:32, STARS: 4
After buying our house, my wife started raising chickens (and ducks, and geese, and guinea fowl) in the backyard. We built various versions of an enclosure for them, and we let them free range on our yard during the day. Somehow they know not to stray off our property, which is definitely a plus, and our neighbors are cool. (One of them dropped a Coyote engine into an early 70s Mustang, so he absolutely doesn’t mind my own wrenching.)
Before doing any of this, we verified that the town we’d moved to is a “right to farm” community. That means the town gives blanket approval to farming activities on our own land - no permits required, and the neighbors can’t take action against us for doing it. I have a friend in Boston who is trying to raise chickens without such protections, and is understandably having a much more difficult time doing it.
I agree that you should be allowed to do what you want on your own land. But you also need to do your research and make sure you live or move somewhere that actually allows it. We have no problems with our chickens. I have no trouble with my ham radio antennas. But these would be huge issues in other places. I spent years unable to play radio outside of local communications from my car because the places I lived prohibited the necessary antennas. Now I have one.
"CalzoneGolem" (calzonegolem)
03/30/2017 at 11:33, STARS: 0
LPT: Let’s take this outside.
"BiTurbo228 - Dr Frankenstein of Spitfires" (biturbo228)
03/30/2017 at 11:33, STARS: 0
That just sounds utterly ripe for abusing. What criteria would you need to be able to drive someone out of where they live without retribution? I can see that being used wholly inappropriately in a large number of communities.
Edit: why not make it a double-edged sword? You basically take your case to a court. If the jury rules in your favour then the other person has to leave. If the jury think you’re the bellend in this particular situation, then you have to leave.
Reduces the ease with which the whole thing can be abused somewhat...
"DAWRX - The Herb Strikes Back" (karsonkinja)
03/30/2017 at 11:33, STARS: 4
No-spin take to follow:
Guy buys army truck and parks it in his front yard. Presence of army truck violates local ordinance. Truck is removed. Guy is upset because he lives somewhere where its not allowed to have an army truck on his property.
I’m all for letting ones freak flag fly. If he had lived somewhere where there was no ordinance on the books then he should 100% have his truck on his front lawn and tell busybody neighbors to shove it. But that’s not the case here...he broke a law and wants to change it after the fact , instead of A. moving somewhere where he could keep his collectibles where he wanted to, or B. petitioning the city to allow for the storage of collectible vehicles on his property in full view.
I personally wish everyone could live together in peace and harmony, weird hobbies or not. But people can’t, and that’s why laws like this exist. People who want everything to look the same live in communities with lots of rules, and people who don’t want that live elsewhere.
"CalzoneGolem" (calzonegolem)
03/30/2017 at 11:34, STARS: 1
As my dad used to say, “Hope in one hand, shit in the other, and see which one fills up first.”
"For Sweden" (rallybeetle)
03/30/2017 at 11:36, STARS: 1
Opposingviewslock
"TheTurbochargedSquirrel" (thatsquirrel)
03/30/2017 at 11:36, STARS: 1
There’s a house not far from me with one of these tucked away in the corner of the yard. Based on the tastefully modded Wrangler in the driveway I would say they have it for off-road use. One of these days I should go ask them about it and take a look.
"Andy Sheehan, StreetsideStig" (AndySheehan-StreetsideStig)
03/30/2017 at 11:37, STARS: 0
I agree. I probably shouldn’t have used the truck as the picture example, because it seems like the laws, however dumb, were already on the books when he bought his awesome truck.
This is mostly written to the people who try to change laws for specific instances or try to get fully legal vehicles removed because, “Err nrr, ma propty valuoos!” And those who join them in this ideology.
"Andy Sheehan, StreetsideStig" (AndySheehan-StreetsideStig)
03/30/2017 at 11:38, STARS: 4
^Correct neighbor response.
"Andy Sheehan, StreetsideStig" (AndySheehan-StreetsideStig)
03/30/2017 at 11:39, STARS: 1
I say, let them crash.
"haveacarortwoorthree2" (haveacarortwoorthree2)
03/30/2017 at 11:39, STARS: 5
Or you could just not be an asshole to all your neighbors. I could drive my loud ass car every morning and wake up half the neighborhood when I leave at 4:30 am, but I don’t. Why? Because I try not to be an asshole. Thus, I drive it only on the days when I leave after 6:30 (when the construction trucks, lawn care people, etc. can get in). If all your neighbors think you’re the asshole, guess what? You’re the asshole. (Or, as Raylan Givens explained, “If you run into an asshole in the morning, you ran into an asshole. If you run into assholes all day, you’re the asshole.”)
If the city has an ordinance to prevent you from doing X and you do X, don’t complain when you get in trouble for your own actions. Everyone else is bound by the same rules — why are you so special? Now, the guy whose neighbors sued him for the garage he built was totally within his rights because everything he did complied with the laws. But the guy who wants to park a vehicle in his front yard in violation of the law doesn’t have my sympathy.
BTW, your analogies seem not on point. “You might move into an area that will soon be taken over by meth head juggalos, reducing your property value.” As the manufacture or use of meth is against the law, the neighbors certainly would have a right to complain and request that the city take action. (Indeed, the DEA actually raided the house next to the one where I grew up a few years ago.) “Your area might soon get a whole beige shopping center, increasing it. “ Actually, a beige shopping center probably won’t increase home values next door to it. And typically zoning would prevent a shopping center from being built next to your house. And if by area, you mean a few blocks away, the example seems particularly inapposite given that people a few blocks away from the guy with a military truck parked in his front yard probably don’t care about it at all, but the people living in his actual neighborhood may care about it very much.
"Justin Hughes" (justinhughes54)
03/30/2017 at 11:40, STARS: 5
And, similarly, the people who move near a race track, then try to get the track shut down.
"Andy Sheehan, StreetsideStig" (AndySheehan-StreetsideStig)
03/30/2017 at 11:40, STARS: 1
I mean, sure, it’s a controversy. But it’s more about cars than a night full of adorable kitties.
"Chris_K_F drives an FR-Slow" (chriskf)
03/30/2017 at 11:41, STARS: 0
I see that you’re not all that familiar with sarcasm...
I was making a joke to illustrate that juggalos are generally a reprehensible group of folks.
"Andy Sheehan, StreetsideStig" (AndySheehan-StreetsideStig)
03/30/2017 at 11:41, STARS: 1
I actually agree. I probably shouldn’t have used the truck as the picture example, because it seems like the laws, however dumb, were already on the books when he bought his awesome truck.
This is mostly written to the people who try to change laws for specific instances or try to get fully legal vehicles removed because, “Err nrr, ma propty valuoos!” And those who join them in this ideology.
"Andy Sheehan, StreetsideStig" (AndySheehan-StreetsideStig)
03/30/2017 at 11:47, STARS: 1
I actually agree. I probably shouldn’t have used the truck as the picture example, because it seems like the laws, however dumb, were already on the books when he bought his awesome truck.
This is mostly written to the people who try to change laws for specific instances or try to get fully legal vehicles removed because, “Err nrr, ma propty valuoos!” And those who join them in this ideology.
But all that aside, let’s say for the sake of argument that it was legal. What’s the bigger jerk move? Buying a truck and storing it in your back yard, or trying to get someone else’s truck removed because you live your life in sweaty, nervous fear that your property values could drop?
Not being the neighborhood buttface is a street that runs both ways.
"Andy Sheehan, StreetsideStig" (AndySheehan-StreetsideStig)
03/30/2017 at 11:48, STARS: 0
Perfect example.
"BiTurbo228 - Dr Frankenstein of Spitfires" (biturbo228)
03/30/2017 at 11:48, STARS: 0
Missing your sarcasm font ;)
Still, I rather like the idea of a ‘appeal to jury to get people removed from the neighbourhood, but if they decide against you then you get removed’. It’s got just the element of poetic justice I like in law-making ;)
"DAWRX - The Herb Strikes Back" (karsonkinja)
03/30/2017 at 11:48, STARS: 1
Ah okay, yeah, I totally agree with you there on that one. Its really upsetting to watch people get dragged through the wringer just to be able to keep doing things that make them happy by people who are obsessed with the “appearance” of happiness. It’s totally unnecessary and draining, and there are way worse problems to spend time and energy fixing.
"BiTurbo228 - Dr Frankenstein of Spitfires" (biturbo228)
03/30/2017 at 11:49, STARS: 1
Missing your sarcasm font ;) and honestly I can see that as an opinion held by a significant proportion of the population :S
Still, I rather like the idea of a ‘appeal to jury to get people removed from the neighbourhood, but if they decide against you then you get removed’. It’s got just the element of poetic justice I like in law-making ;)
"Chris_K_F drives an FR-Slow" (chriskf)
03/30/2017 at 11:55, STARS: 1
That’d be the true essence of a rule-by-majority democracy. haha
"Viggen" (viggen37)
03/30/2017 at 11:56, STARS: 0
You know, I was gonna stay quiet, but last spring, my room mate had two torn apart Wranglers in the driveway, my lifted Cherokee and our other room mate’s non running square body Ram all parked on the street next to the house. No one gave us any shit for the vehicles. Not even the landlord or property manager.
"TorqueToYield" (torquetoyield)
03/30/2017 at 11:59, STARS: 1
Found the renter.
"Mercedes Streeter" (smart)
03/30/2017 at 12:08, STARS: 0
I vote for minding one’s own business. :) Also, parking a vintage and well taken care for military truck isn’t the same as ripping down a neighbourhood street at 04:00 with a glasspack.
Anyway, a good example is how I park. Technically I hog a parking space somewhat far away from my apartment complex’s entrance. That said, it was a popular space due to the dead space to the right (there for when the building buys new washers and dryers) I park both cars in that space. I asked both the police and the building and they’re cool with it. My neighbours mind their business and they don’t care either. Actually, I seem to be a minor celeb at my complex for my parking. xD
"haveacarortwoorthree2" (haveacarortwoorthree2)
03/30/2017 at 12:10, STARS: 1
If it’s legal, it’s legal. However, if all your neighbors complain, I certainly would think about my position. E.g., my original example. I had no idea that my car actually would wake my neighbors up — I started it with the garage door down, I babied it down the alley, etc. When I found out it did, I felt bad and changed my conduct. Was I legally required to do so? No.
BTW, and I went back to the original article to confirm, nothing says whether he stored the truck in his front yard or back yard — it just says yard. To me, that’s a huge distinction. If it’s legal and is in the backyard, I think I’d tell any complaining neighbors to STFU. If you are parking anything in your front yard, WTF, we aren’t savages.
"Roundbadge" (Roundbadge)
03/30/2017 at 12:16, STARS: 1
(Or, as Raylan Givens explained, “If you run into an asshole in the morning, you ran into an asshole. If you run into assholes all day, you’re the asshole.”)
So incredibly appropos...
...and I miss ‘Justified’.
"Andy Sheehan, StreetsideStig" (AndySheehan-StreetsideStig)
03/30/2017 at 12:16, STARS: 0
Yeah, I agree with you. That’s why I said “back yard” in my original post. I don’t think it should always draw a line, but I’m certainly not going to park a car (or a massive truck) in my front yard. As much for personal pride as for consideration for my neighbors.
"haveacarortwoorthree2" (haveacarortwoorthree2)
03/30/2017 at 12:19, STARS: 2
But what you’re doing isn’t illegal. Indeed, it might even be beneficial as you are freeing up an additional parking spot. Now if your complex rules said that you can’t park 2 cars in the same spot, then I’d say you need to comply with the rules. And if your comment “isn’t the same as ripping down a neighborhood street at 04:00 with a glasspack” was directed at me, that’s not what I was doing and I never said that (starting a RS3 Mustang when it otherwise is dead quiet simply is loud as hell). Finally, “parking a vintage and well taken care for military truck” in your front yard/driveway/street in my neighborhood in violation of the law removes this from being “your” business and makes it “my” and neighborhood business.
"McMike" (mcmike)
03/30/2017 at 12:19, STARS: 1
There are rules, laws, and agreements in HOAs, cities, etc. Follow them.
If you are following these guidelines and it’s bothering me, it’s my issue.
Property values are no joke. “Err nrr” is a very appropriate reaction to the potential loss of tens of thousands of potential dollars.
However, if you live in an area without an HOA or really loose city codes, you really can’t much about it if all your neighbors let their properties go to shit. You should have expected that when you bought the property. I bought a home that has an HOA for this reason. It was nice when I moved in, and it will be nice when I move out.
"haveacarortwoorthree2" (haveacarortwoorthree2)
03/30/2017 at 12:23, STARS: 0
Or move next to an airport and complain about the noise.
"Andy Sheehan, StreetsideStig" (AndySheehan-StreetsideStig)
03/30/2017 at 12:27, STARS: 0
"Mercedes Streeter" (smart)
03/30/2017 at 12:32, STARS: 0
Fair enough on all points! :)
Sadly, what I’m doing is illegal (the local laws were created without the possibility of a car being small enough to fit two in a space), but the police and I seem to have an agreement because...it doesn’t do any harm to anyone to break the law.
And if your comment “isn’t the same as ripping down a neighborhood street at 04:00 with a glasspack” was directed at me, that’s not what I was doing and I never said that (starting a RS3 Mustang when it otherwise is dead quiet simply is loud as hell).
Sorry, that wasn’t directed at you. It was admittedly a really really bad example. A better example would have been the exhaust my smart used to have. It was basically a glasspack. To leave my neighbourhood back in those days, I kept the RPM low so it was just a not too loud burble.
Finally, “parking a vintage and well taken care for military truck” in your front yard/driveway/street in my neighborhood in violation of the law removes this from being “your” business and makes it “my” and neighborhood business.
You know what, I have to agree! Though I hope that never happens to me since what I’m doing is technically illegal as well.
"XJDano" (xjdano)
03/30/2017 at 13:40, STARS: 0
You can use google maps in my town.
526 St Margaret Ln, O’Fallon, MO 63366
https://goo.gl/maps/UcjdvBYwjuH2
"Andy Sheehan, StreetsideStig" (AndySheehan-StreetsideStig)
03/30/2017 at 13:49, STARS: 0
Haha! Streetview first took me to the horror show across the street, and then I saw the plane. Awesome!
"XJDano" (xjdano)
03/30/2017 at 13:54, STARS: 1
That street has houses with so many trinkets outside.
"WiscoProud" (wiscoproud)
03/30/2017 at 14:05, STARS: 0
If you have an place off street to store it, have at it. The article made it sound like he was parking it on the street (one of the city’s arguments was that emergency vehicles would not be able to get down the road). As part of basic neighborly decorum, I don’t think you should park any vehicle in your front yard (unless for a short time) and I don’t think immovable vehicles should be left on the street. Do whatever you want in your driveway or garage.
"marshknute" (marshknute)
03/30/2017 at 14:38, STARS: 1
I guess my viewpoint is this: if you know your hobby is annoying to your neighbors, do everything you can to mitigate the public impact of that hobby.
Once the NIMBY’s start suing you, its your own damn fault for being an obnoxious asshole. (Yes, they’re assholes too for not chilling the fuck out, but you shouldn’t go asking for trouble if you don’t want trouble)
"Andy Sheehan, StreetsideStig" (AndySheehan-StreetsideStig)
03/30/2017 at 14:57, STARS: 0
Neither can you tip-toe around life worrying about who you’ll piss off, though.
"KusabiSensei - Captain of the Toronto Maple Leafs" (kusabisensei)
03/30/2017 at 15:05, STARS: 0
And if they actually cared about their cash flow, they’d *want* lower property values since then for the same millage rate, the tax bill is less.
You only want high property values when you *sell*. Not when you *hold*...
"marshknute" (marshknute)
03/30/2017 at 15:35, STARS: 0
The guy from this morning’s article probably wished he had tip-toed.
All he had to do was park it in his back yard and nobody would have given a shit. If they don’t see it, they don’t have a problem with it.
Yeah, opening the double gate to drive your M35 into the backyard is annoying, but a lot less annoying than going to court and paying storage fees after you lose.
"Andy Sheehan, StreetsideStig" (AndySheehan-StreetsideStig)
03/30/2017 at 15:38, STARS: 0
We don’t actually know if he did park it in his front or back yard. The article said it was his “yard.”