by "RallyWrench" (rndlitebmw)
Published 03/29/2017 at 15:24
by "RallyWrench" (rndlitebmw)
Published 03/29/2017 at 15:24
Tags: Obviously you don't understand the engineering of a Mercedes Buhhhhh
STARS: 2
Coil pack on right: dead
Coil pack on left: $1400 from the dealer.
Driving your 10 year old spaceship: Priceless?
It might be heavily depreciated, but it ain’t cheap to fix. There are rebuild options that would save money, but this was a time-sensitive repair so they went with a new one. Seize the carp, as they say.
"OPPOsaurus WRX" (opposaurus)
03/29/2017 at 15:27, STARS: 1
why didn;t they make it 6 pairs instead of a single 5 pairs and a single?
"jimz" (jimz)
03/29/2017 at 15:27, STARS: 2
that is the most German thing I’ve seen today. I’m sure they were so desperate for cost savings on a V12 Benz where it made sense to throw away 6/12 ignition coils all at once.
"jimz" (jimz)
03/29/2017 at 15:29, STARS: 3
it actually is 6 pairs; the wider-spaced ones are for each cylinder.
"TFSIVTEC drivesavolvo" (drivesaswedishcarmadeinbelgium-)
03/29/2017 at 15:30, STARS: 0
Does that go in the center of the V? I’m trying to picture how that works. I guessed it would have had one pack for each bank.
"fintail" (fintail)
03/29/2017 at 15:31, STARS: 1
I think if I went V12, it would be a W140 or maybe a 2010+ car. Everything in the middle seems to be a disaster on wheels.
"For Sweden" (rallybeetle)
03/29/2017 at 15:32, STARS: 1
What about these?
"RamblinRover Luxury-Yacht" (ramblininexile)
03/29/2017 at 15:35, STARS: 2
Somehow I think that’s covered under “time sensitive repair” and also the whole “repair that costs so much part cost has stopped even being a number”. Like, they were okay spending $400 more for a that-day fix when their angus was already that peppered.
"RallyWrench" (rndlitebmw)
03/29/2017 at 15:36, STARS: 0
Time sensitive. We offered other options, but the owner was stranded here from out of town and the OEM unit was most expedient. Also I can’t properly warranty parts from generic internet vendors.
"RallyWrench" (rndlitebmw)
03/29/2017 at 15:37, STARS: 0
One for each bank, in the center of the valve covers.
"EL_ULY" (uly)
03/29/2017 at 15:38, STARS: 1
classic
"For Sweden" (rallybeetle)
03/29/2017 at 15:40, STARS: 2
So you’re saying there’s a market for hoarding V12 coil packs to sell to desperate drivers.
"RamblinRover Luxury-Yacht" (ramblininexile)
03/29/2017 at 15:42, STARS: 3
It’s definitely not impossible. Step one is probably finding some way to trick more people into buying them to increase the market, though. Classic market prep... wait is this what the plan of oppo was all along
is this a v12 conspiracy
are the mods going to get rich selling coil packs
is this real life
"RallyWrench" (rndlitebmw)
03/29/2017 at 15:46, STARS: 0
The thing is, this V12 and its engine management was totally different than any other engine then in their lineup at the time, so it couldn’t share the individual coils those engines had, and add in the turbos and plumbing and there’s no room elsewhere. Still, for what these cars went for, it is surprising they didn’t come up with a better solution.
"XJDano" (xjdano)
03/29/2017 at 15:46, STARS: 0
!!! UNKNOWN CONTENT TYPE !!!
You obviously don’t need to watch that, but I included that for reference, it doesn’t look that bad of a job. Also when talking about socket sizes do you actually say 8-m-m or 8 millimeter? I’ve never heard it said 10-m-m like that, but I’m not around people who use those terms on a daily basis.
Is that some sort of piston ring bracelet? I’m not into fashion or jewelry but that looks like a bad idea to keep on while being a mechanic.
"Land_Yacht_225" (nadenator)
03/29/2017 at 15:54, STARS: 1
YOU’RE DAMN RIGHT DRIVING YOUR DECADE OLD SPACESHIP IS PRICELESS!
This is why I try not to take mine too far out of town. If I’m paying $1,500 in parts, I’ll just have both sides rebuilt at once and not ever have to worry for...well...60,000 mile shelf life...
"Flynorcal: pilot, offshore sailor, car racer and panty thief" (flynorcal)
03/29/2017 at 15:55, STARS: 9
Hey, psst.
*opens raincoat*
You looking for any E60 M5 VANOS solenoids? Top quality. Best price.
"RallyWrench" (rndlitebmw)
03/29/2017 at 15:56, STARS: 1
True story. We’ve got a W140 S600 in here too at the moment, and while there are several problems with those cars, the engine is generally not one of them. This R230 though, this V12 is sort of a bastardized, barely recognizable cousin of the old one, ruined by all the stuff added on to win the dick swinging contest and stuffed into a car it should never have been in.
"RallyWrench" (rndlitebmw)
03/29/2017 at 16:01, STARS: 0
Spacing across cylinders dictated the layout, 2 per.
"RallyWrench" (rndlitebmw)
03/29/2017 at 16:04, STARS: 0
I meant outboard, stuck between heads and turbos.
"Nerd-Vol" (Nerd-Vol)
03/29/2017 at 16:04, STARS: 3
*Closes tab opened to auto-trader.*
"With-a-G is back to not having anything written after his username" (with-a-g)
03/29/2017 at 16:11, STARS: 1
Looks like that replacement is a near-perfect fit but it’s gonna restrict your airflow, I’ll bet. You probably need to get one of these to make up the difference:
http://www.jenvey.co.uk/products2/throttle-body-kits/mercedes-v12-zonda-kit-ckmm10
"fintail" (fintail)
03/29/2017 at 16:12, STARS: 1
I can believe it. Any horror story from an oughts-era V12 is within the realm of possibility. Early W220 S600 is a car I wouldn’t take for free.
W140s are really growing on me though. The indy mechanic I patronize for the fintail rescured a 600SEL - bought it for peanuts, got it back on the road and apparently doesn’t have much trouble with it now. He might have had to do a wiring harness. A lot less to go wrong in those cars I guess.
"RallyWrench" (rndlitebmw)
03/29/2017 at 16:15, STARS: 0
Haha, I’ve never heard anybody who actually uses or works with the metric system say “m-m”. But most guys who have time to make Youtube wrenching videos like this aren’t professionals. And if those are piston rings on his arm, I agree that’s a bad idea, and nobody I’ve ever met in the industry would wear them.
"RallyWrench" (rndlitebmw)
03/29/2017 at 16:16, STARS: 0
I will admit, they feel special when they’re right. If you’re good with a soldering iron you might be able to repair these yourself.
"RallyWrench" (rndlitebmw)
03/29/2017 at 16:18, STARS: 4
When I become dictator of Earth, I’m going to issue an executive order mandating that all V12s be given ITBs immediately.
"CaptDale - is secretly British" (captdale)
03/29/2017 at 17:00, STARS: 0
Eww, my 928 won’t be that bad right?
"RallyWrench" (rndlitebmw)
03/29/2017 at 17:02, STARS: 0
If you want parts from Porsche it will be!
"CaptDale - is secretly British" (captdale)
03/29/2017 at 17:09, STARS: 0
No, I just want it to run and drive reliably enough to Mad Max it, then shit can it so you could put the motor in your van.
"JRapp: now as good as new again" (jrapp)
03/29/2017 at 18:21, STARS: 0
I like how it’s tipped over, like check-mate, game over.
"TFSIVTEC drivesavolvo" (drivesaswedishcarmadeinbelgium-)
03/29/2017 at 18:35, STARS: 0
So is that two spark plugs per cylinder?
"V12 Jake- Hittin' Switches" (jbv12)
03/29/2017 at 18:45, STARS: 0
I will need those in about a year and a half. Shit. I still love the car though.
"RallyWrench" (rndlitebmw)
03/29/2017 at 19:03, STARS: 0
Yep.
"RallyWrench" (rndlitebmw)
03/29/2017 at 19:10, STARS: 0
Apparently they can be repaired in some cases. We advised of this option, but the client had to have the car back quickly as they were stuck here from out of town. A lot of good info here:
"TFSIVTEC drivesavolvo" (drivesaswedishcarmadeinbelgium-)
03/29/2017 at 21:58, STARS: 0
Boss! 24 spark plugs, good thing for the owners it’s probably a 100k service interval.
"Jobjoris" (Jobjoris)
03/31/2017 at 04:42, STARS: 1
So you’re gonna rebuild it anyways at home and sell it with a huge profit, right?
"RallyWrench" (rndlitebmw)
03/31/2017 at 10:26, STARS: 0
Haha, nah. If I had any time to work on cars myself it’d be on my own! The client wanted the old part anyway.