by "aberson Bresident of the FullyAssed Committe" (emaxxbl)
Published 03/28/2017 at 21:33
by "aberson Bresident of the FullyAssed Committe" (emaxxbl)
Published 03/28/2017 at 21:33
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"415s30 W123TSXWaggoIIIIIIo ( •_•))°)" (415s30)
03/28/2017 at 21:38, STARS: 0
I have a disk conversion on my Z for the rear that uses 1980's Nissan parts but I am starting to want the Wilwood kit for the front. At first getting rid of the drums was amazing, now I want mooaaaarrr!$785 thooo
"DC3 LS, will be perpetually replacing cars until the end of time" (dc3ls-)
03/28/2017 at 21:39, STARS: 1
pLewpo petteL
"aberson Bresident of the FullyAssed Committe" (emaxxbl)
03/28/2017 at 21:42, STARS: 0
those are huge
"Textured Soy Protein" (texturedsoyprotein)
03/28/2017 at 21:45, STARS: 0
Hey that’s nothing, the cheapest Wilwood BBK for my car is over 2 grand. And that’s still one of the cheaper kits available.
"415s30 W123TSXWaggoIIIIIIo ( •_•))°)" (415s30)
03/28/2017 at 21:52, STARS: 1
Yes yes. I got the rear kit, which borrows from a 1986 Maxima sedan, with machined rotors. Best thing you can do for an old car with drums.
"Nothing" (nothingatalluseful)
03/28/2017 at 21:55, STARS: 1
I’m almost there. Once my new lower arms arrive, I’ll finally have mine bolted on.
"415s30 W123TSXWaggoIIIIIIo ( •_•))°)" (415s30)
03/28/2017 at 21:55, STARS: 1
Yeah this one is the stage 1, they go up to stage 3 but I’m pretty sure I need bigger rims for that, which isn’t period correct looking and hate resto modding old cars and putting huge wheels on them. Buy a 370Z if you want some huge ass wheels. Rant over.
"Textured Soy Protein" (texturedsoyprotein)
03/28/2017 at 22:32, STARS: 0
I’d be fine with a less-aggressive kit. The stock rotors on my 335xi are plenty big but they’re paired with single piston sliding calipers. Even something like Wilwood makes for Hondas where it’s an upgraded multi-piston caliper with larger pads than the stock calipers that fits on the stock caliper bracket and works with OE rotors would be fine. But it’s like every kit for my car, not just Wilwood, has 2-piece floating rotors and 6-piston calipers and costs a couple grand. I’d like the option of an intermediate step up from performance pads in the stock calipers.
"415s30 W123TSXWaggoIIIIIIo ( •_•))°)" (415s30)
03/28/2017 at 22:35, STARS: 0
Huh I don’t know anything about BMWs, so say getting M3 brakes is not better? The Z weighs very little so the rear already works well, it would stop pretty damn well with even the stage 1 up front.
"Textured Soy Protein" (texturedsoyprotein)
03/29/2017 at 00:43, STARS: 1
M3 brakes for the E9x are not a direct swap because the hubs are different.
135i has 6-piston calipers but the rotors are only 338x26 mm vs. 348x30 mm on the 335i.
F30 335i has 4-piston calipers paired with either 340x30 or 370x30 (withM package) mm rotors but the 370 mm rotors require 19" wheels and I have 18s for winter. And this would still be $1800 for the rotors and calipers. A bit less for the 340mm but then you’re trading a better caliper and bigger pad for a smaller rotor.
So it’s like, the Wilwood 6-piston kit is only $300 more, it has 355x32 mm 2-piece floating rotors, big huge pads, etc and fits 18" wheels. Might as well go that route.
But if Wilwood did a cheapie 4-piston caliper upgrade for the stock 348x32 mm rotors, there’s enough folks out there who just don’t like the calipers and might add that hypothetical kit to some direct replacement basic slotted rotors, and you get the general BBK vibe with hypothetical lower cost. Hypothetically.
"uofime-2" (uofime-2)
03/29/2017 at 09:27, STARS: 0
Bigger rotors are just for heat capacity, do you really need that in your street car? (you can get longer pad life too)
How much of it do you need because if it is only occasional (say for the occasional track day) you can use higher heat pads.
"Textured Soy Protein" (texturedsoyprotein)
03/29/2017 at 11:34, STARS: 0
Yes, I know that about bigger rotors, and the stock ones are decently sized for their use. That’s why I wish there was a relatively cheap multi-piston caliper upgrade for the stock rotors. The nicer caliper would give better pedal feel and a larger pad.
For example, Wilwood makes this caliper kit for Civics & Integras that use the OE size 262 mm rotor. It’s less than 500 bucks. You get a nice 4-piston caliper with pistons sized to work with the OE master cylinder, but bigger pads and better pedal modulation from the 4-piston caliper vs. the stock 1-piston sliding caliper.
Wilwood also makes kits for those same cars to upgrade to 298 mm 2-piece rotors and 4-piston calipers, or 309 mm 2-piece rotors and either 4- or 6-piston calipers. The most expensive of which is like a grand. The 4-piston 298 mm kit, it’s less than 700 bucks!
Basically I’m annoyed that if I want pretty multi-piston calipers, I’m stuck paying the BMW tax, where all the parts for the F30 4-piston calipers are $1300. Add in some decent aftermarket F30 340x30mm rotors for another couple hundred, and another $50-150 for your choice of pads, and you’re talking an easy $1600+ for what amounts to slightly smaller 1-piece rotors, 4-piston calipers, somewhat bigger pads, and you still need to add stainless lines.
Unless you get them used from a person who upgraded their F30's brakes, of course.
And then it’s like, well the nice Wilwood kit with slotted rotors and black calipers isn’t that much more.
Yes I know this kit is a lot bigger than the Honda one but come on Wilwood, it’s $2100 instead of $660!
"CaptDale - is secretly British" (captdale)
03/29/2017 at 11:47, STARS: 0
Damn I wish the ones I want were that price. My boss’s buddy is the owner of Baer brakes and so I think I could get a better deal, but the front and rear kits for my GTO are $6145 each. That is $12k for a 4wheel brake package.. 4 wheel 6 pots with 14" R-Spec rotors(second picture) and calipers in Blue Ice to match my car
"uofime-2" (uofime-2)
03/29/2017 at 12:22, STARS: 0
Just do one of the OEM upgrades with used parts from someone who paid for one of these kits, it’ll be more than you’ll ever need. You get the fixed calipers so you gain the brake feel you want and you can use OE replacement parts so the cost will be a lot less.
Look at the parts costs for the individual parts of that kit, the stuff is all expensive. They’re not just bigger in diameter its thicker too in the rotor pads and caipers. Bigger offset hats to make it still fit regular wheels and custom radial mounting brackets. The calipers on that honda kit almost look like cast pieces versus the billet machined ones in your kit.
"415s30 W123TSXWaggoIIIIIIo ( •_•))°)" (415s30)
03/29/2017 at 12:32, STARS: 1
That’s like Porsche parts money...
"Textured Soy Protein" (texturedsoyprotein)
03/29/2017 at 12:40, STARS: 0
Yeah, the Wilwood kit for my car has a lot more stuff than the Honda kits.
For a mostly-street car the F30 4-piston brakes with nice pads would be fine. With 370mm F30 M Sport rotors they’d be more than fine. I’ve seen people fit some Apex 18" wheels over the 370mm F30 brakes but I’m not sure if my stock 18" BMW wheels will fit over them.
"CaptDale - is secretly British" (captdale)
03/29/2017 at 12:43, STARS: 0
It is also ALL of the stopping power. It is also a someday when my GTO becomes a race car mod. Not anytime soon.
"uofime-2" (uofime-2)
03/29/2017 at 12:54, STARS: 0
it all comes down to the offset and spoke design, you’ve got those calipers sticking out where the wheel would really like to be unless it was designed with big calipers taken into consideration. That’s why racing wheels often have the spokes curving out from the hub and then back in to the hoop.
Gonna use this as an excuse to post an Advan RGIII... mmmmm *drool*
"Textured Soy Protein" (texturedsoyprotein)
03/29/2017 at 13:20, STARS: 0
Yeah, these are the 18" Apex wheels on the 370mm F30 brakes:
Whereas these are the 193M wheels that I have my snows on, and the stock E9x 335i brakes:
If the caliper needs a little clearance with the spokes, I could run a spacer and still clear my fenders thanks to generous negative front camber in my alignment, but I’d have to figure out if the inner bore diameter of the wheel is large enough.