Teutonic Tuesday: Europpomeet Aftermath.

by "Jobjoris" (Jobjoris)
Published 03/28/2017 at 08:23

Tags: Teutonic Tuesday ; Porsche Carrera ; 911 3.2 ; Europpomeet
STARS: 6

I had to miss the 2nd day of the Europpomeet due to some health-issues back home. Being disappointed I’d miss the day at the Nordschleife I decided to take the 911 for a short spin before putting her back into my garage. Then... It started to stutter. It would idle but the moment I stepped on the gas it would just shut off the fuel or ignition, felt something like that. When I came to a halt at a parking I let it idle and noticed that after a few seconds it revved up a bit and then back to idle. Some cut in the plastics from throttle to inlet? Then it would be a constant uprevving, right? Some sensor (the L-Jetronic has 3!) of the fuel injection? Nothing I could fix there for sure. So I called roadside assistance. Who were not able to fix it either. So it had to be towed to my local shop, run by Lothar. Who’s closed at Sunday so they’d take it to their local storage and deliver it at Lothar’s next day. Then Lothar called on Monday morning before I was able to contact him. Asking what on earth had happened. I explained it all and then he asked “but what about that fender?”. What about what?

WHAT????? That’s not how I left it? No idea what that company did to it but that’s not how I left it. And that’s not all, the entire car was covered in splashes of coolant. It’s an AIRCOOLED car for God’s sake!

No idea how quick I’ll have this fixed but no one taking responsibility for this by themselves: what world we’re living in???? Better remember to take pictures of the car before it’s being towed next time, I’m glad I did! And damned: I’m beaten by a 300k / 17 year old 406 Coupé when it comes to reliability!

Replies (92)

"Twingo Tamer - About to descend into project car hell." (oppisitelock)
03/28/2017 at 08:27, STARS: 3

I’m so sorry man. Unfortunately we didn’t get to talk at oppomeet but that car was stunning. I hope it gets fixed and more importantly I hope your family health issues improve too.

"FSI - alcohol enthusiast with a car problem" (fuelstratifiedinjection)
03/28/2017 at 08:28, STARS: 2

Ouch, that doesn’t look too good:(

At least you have photos to prove you didn’t cause the damage.

"RallyDarkstrike - Fan of 2-cyl FIATs, Eastern Bloc & Kei cars" (rallydarkstrike)
03/28/2017 at 08:32, STARS: 1

Wow, that sucks so much man! Hope you can get the issues fixed! Poor 911! :(

"Jobjoris" (Jobjoris)
03/28/2017 at 08:33, STARS: 0

Yeah, it was too short for me and a bit of a lot of people so I’m sure I didn’t really mingle enough. Next year!

Thanks for the “support” ;-)

"Jobjoris" (Jobjoris)
03/28/2017 at 08:35, STARS: 1

Yeah, I’m really glad I did. The first guy of Road assistance was some sort of car-nut and we walked around and talked about the car a lot before it was loaded up on the truck so I had a witness but this certainly made it easier. What I don’t get it is how no one did “notice” it before it was taken to Lothar!!!

"Twingo Tamer - About to descend into project car hell." (oppisitelock)
03/28/2017 at 08:36, STARS: 1

Yeah its borderline impossible to get to know 18 people in a few hours haha.

"Jobjoris" (Jobjoris)
03/28/2017 at 08:37, STARS: 0

At first glance it seems to be just the fender but we’ll have to check the front suspension of course. I really have no idea what happened. What’s that coolant coming from???

"duurtlang" (duurtlang)
03/28/2017 at 08:37, STARS: 1

Don’t feel bad. The 406 coupe not only has a mere 296k km, it beats most cars when it comes to reliability.

But on a more serious note, this really sucks man. Isn’t Lothar or the ANWB able to tell you where it was towed to on Sunday? You do have that picture with the ANWB van next to it when it wasn’t damaged.

"Flavien Vidal" (flyingfrenchy)
03/28/2017 at 08:38, STARS: 1

Fuck man, that sucks... Anyway you can get money back for that?? (if you want a good news, paperwork for the Pao left yesterday or today... no much, but if it can cheer you up a little...)

"Steve in Manhattan" (blogenfreude01)
03/28/2017 at 08:48, STARS: 1

That wing can’t be cheap (junkyard maybe?) and even in white it’ll take a complete respray to make it match, to say nothing of the damage from the pink stuff. Ugh. Drove around in college in a yellow Volvo with a right front wing that was dark green. Not a great look.

"Jobjoris" (Jobjoris)
03/28/2017 at 08:57, STARS: 0

According to Lothar it was probably the heat sensor. It’s a one-wire sensor (with grounding to the cylinder head) that Porsche already replaced by a two wire sensor (with proper grounding). HOW CAN YOUR WATERCOOLED FRENCH CAR BE SO RELIABLE????

It was towed to Logix in Eindhoven. The ANWB has held them responsible already and point to them. I on the other hand have only an agreement with the ANWB, not Logix. Die heb ik dus aansprakelijk gesteld.

"Jobjoris" (Jobjoris)
03/28/2017 at 09:00, STARS: 1

I NEED MY LITTLE PAO TO GIVE ME COMFORT! Thanks.

I’ve already held Roadside assistance responsible for this. Seems to work out as I’ve got enough proof (pictures before it was taken, the guy from road assistance and I talked a lot and walked around the car so there’s even a witness). But still: why don’t people just take responsibility?

"duurtlang" (duurtlang)
03/28/2017 at 09:02, STARS: 1

I guess you and the ANWB are both right. Logix probably caused the damage, but that’s not your problem as it was under ANWB’s care.

And about the coupe: it’s not faultless. Besides the paint issues on the hood it has some idling issue which causes it to stall (when idling) sometimes. Probably a sensor somewhere, I bet it’s the MAF.

"Flavien Vidal" (flyingfrenchy)
03/28/2017 at 09:03, STARS: 1

Especially since they’re insured for this kind of stuff... It’s dumb. And your little Pao is coming soon, don’t worry haha. I’ll send you pics of the orange one this weekend too, just to tempt you haha

"Jobjoris" (Jobjoris)
03/28/2017 at 09:05, STARS: 0

The wing, unpainted, is about 800 euros without tax. I’m not putting junkyard parts on a 30+ euro worth (???) of a car. Seems the insurance of the towing company will cover the damage. Otherwise my own insurance.

The pink stuff shouldn’t be of the biting/hazardous kind. It just shows how utterly neglecting the towing company was.

PICTURES OF THAT VOLVO!!!!

"Jobjoris" (Jobjoris)
03/28/2017 at 09:07, STARS: 2

I’ve got an American with the hots for that orange one for you!

"Flavien Vidal" (flyingfrenchy)
03/28/2017 at 09:12, STARS: 1

Send him to me :)

I’ll do the photoshoot for it after tomorrow.

"fintail" (fintail)
03/28/2017 at 09:13, STARS: 1

Wow, a nightmare. I hope insurance comes through. A few years ago when a FI-related component on the fintail finally gave out (after 50+ years, I shouldn’t complain), I had to have it removed on a flatbed to be repaired. I watched and kept an eye on the car the entire time, including following the truck, even though the driver appeared to be fine. The car did get a scrape though, inflicted by me when trying to push it out of an underground garage (never do that again!) No fun.

"Clemsie McKenzie" (thestirringcolumn)
03/28/2017 at 09:17, STARS: 1

Oh man, that sucks. It was nice seeing you at the meet though, especially with that wonderful flat-six that happens to smell exactly like my dad’s SC. Porsches, they’re awesome. Hope you get yours fixed quickly and that this shitty situation with the shop gets cleared. Good luck!

"Jobjoris" (Jobjoris)
03/28/2017 at 09:22, STARS: 0

I will, no worries. How’s the Be-1 going for you?

"Flavien Vidal" (flyingfrenchy)
03/28/2017 at 09:24, STARS: 1

Still looking for a good one... Thought I had one but it wasn’t that clean for the price after all :)

They’re not rare, but good ones at a good price are haha

"Jobjoris" (Jobjoris)
03/28/2017 at 09:25, STARS: 1

I’m sure insurance will work out fine, it’s all risk insured so in the end it’ll work out fine in this overly insured country. It’s just all the hassle. And the fact someone inflicts this kind of damage and just calls it the day!!!

It’s the second time, in 13 years of ownership, it fails me so I’m still proud of it. The other time it was the aftermarket alarm that prevented it to start so I can’t even blame Porsche for that.

"Jobjoris" (Jobjoris)
03/28/2017 at 09:30, STARS: 0

Nice meeting you too, finally a Parisian that isn’t a total piece of... Well, you catch my drift ;-) Shouldn’t be surprised though if your dad has an SC! In Paris? BOLD!!!! Pictures please!

"davesaddiction @ opposite-lock.com" (davesaddiction)
03/28/2017 at 09:38, STARS: 1

Ugh... son of a bitch... Very glad you took photos! Hope it all gets resolved as well as possible.

"fintail" (fintail)
03/28/2017 at 09:41, STARS: 1

Yeah, around here dealing with insurance can take hours. I don’t envy you.

I wonder if the truck accidentally bumped it after leaving it, before Lothar saw it, or maybe at the storage area. Still doesn’t explain the coolant mess. Some people.

I am at nearly 22 years with the fintail now, which dates me - I was 18 when I bought it. It really hasn’t had a stranding issue since 1998, when a transmission cooling line broke. I knew the FI component was failing, so I don’t count that so much. Several years ago the shift linkage broke, but did so when I was driving - it was in a forward gear, so the car was able to be driven (the car can be started in gear, kind of weird for an automatic). All in all, for a car so old that hasn’t been kept in a sterile bubble, it is very reliable. I have seen Porsches of your vintage here with a couple hundred thousand miles on the clock.

"Jobjoris" (Jobjoris)
03/28/2017 at 09:45, STARS: 1

Same here. It all will work out, it will just take so much time all straightening it up. And hope the paint job will not be too clearly visible or I’ll have to respray the entire car.

The LEGO 205T16 is over 2300 already!!!!

"Jobjoris" (Jobjoris)
03/28/2017 at 09:53, STARS: 1

It wasn’t unloaded until Lothar was called upon as he had to pinpoint where to put it. So it has to have happened at the transit/storage area.

I’m at the point some of the rubbers and lines need replacement, purely due to aging. And after 200k (I’m just over 190K as we speak) there’s the risk of a new clutch needed. The engine will get to 300K. No doubt there.

"BiTurbo228 - Dr Frankenstein of Spitfires" (biturbo228)
03/28/2017 at 10:02, STARS: 1

Damn that sucks. Could you ask if the storage place/car park has CCTV? If it happened while loading you might be able to see it there.

Really hope the family health-issues are ok too.

"Jobjoris" (Jobjoris)
03/28/2017 at 10:14, STARS: 0

Good call. I’ll check, thanks!

Everything will work out. Some minor surgery (tonsils) next month will prevent the little girl to keep getting these things infected in the first place. I hope. No sleep whatsoever, both for her, mum and me.

"RallyDarkstrike - Fan of 2-cyl FIATs, Eastern Bloc & Kei cars" (rallydarkstrike)
03/28/2017 at 10:15, STARS: 1

Is it definitely coolant? Wouldn’t be washer fluid, would it?

"Jobjoris" (Jobjoris)
03/28/2017 at 10:19, STARS: 0

Usually the washer fluid over here seems to be blue. Haven’t tried it ;-)

"duurtlang" (duurtlang)
03/28/2017 at 10:22, STARS: 1

My summer washer fluid is red/pink-ish.

"Jobjoris" (Jobjoris)
03/28/2017 at 10:26, STARS: 0

No wonder your’s is still running!

"RallyDarkstrike - Fan of 2-cyl FIATs, Eastern Bloc & Kei cars" (rallydarkstrike)
03/28/2017 at 10:26, STARS: 0

Yup. I know I’ve seen red/pink washer fluid here as well that is Summer use.

"duurtlang" (duurtlang)
03/28/2017 at 10:32, STARS: 1

I’m meticulous about the blinker fluid as well.

Anyway, it’s all despite of me, not because. Remember I mentioned I suspected the MAF sensor of causing a rough idle? It turns out the car doesn’t even have a MAF sensor. Tells you all you need to know about my skill :)

"smobgirl" (smobgirl)
03/28/2017 at 10:39, STARS: 0

...orange Pao?

I can’t buy one but I’m dying for pics!

"Flavien Vidal" (flyingfrenchy)
03/28/2017 at 10:41, STARS: 0

I’ll post them here :)

Only defect I recall is a bit of paint peel on the rear right side, and for some weird reasons, the driver and passenger side window handles have rust. Mechanically, it’s VERY good.

"BiTurbo228 - Dr Frankenstein of Spitfires" (biturbo228)
03/28/2017 at 10:43, STARS: 1

Aww man, I didn’t know what it was specifically when you had to leave. Glad there’s a plan to get her better :) fingers crossed!

Next year!

"philipilihp" (philiphilip)
03/28/2017 at 10:56, STARS: 1

Jammer man! That’s really terrible about your fender. And hopefully the little girl feels better very soon! I luckily never had tonsil issues, but my older sister did.

"My bird IS the word" (mybirdistheword)
03/28/2017 at 11:37, STARS: 1

What the hell? How does something like this happen?

"fintail" (fintail)
03/28/2017 at 12:47, STARS: 1

Is there much traffic in the storage area? I wonder how it would be to hardwire in a dashcam.

Original clutch?

"Jobjoris" (Jobjoris)
03/28/2017 at 12:59, STARS: 0

Tell Niko about that blinker fluid...

Maf!

"Clemsie McKenzie" (thestirringcolumn)
03/28/2017 at 13:02, STARS: 0

Nah it stays with the rest of the fleet at my parents’ home in the countryside. Oddly enough I don’t have pictures of it, but I’m going back there this weekend so I’ll see what I can do :)

"Jobjoris" (Jobjoris)
03/28/2017 at 13:07, STARS: 0

Yeah it really is heartbraking to see her fight to get some decent sleep. The laying down is the problem though as the bigger tonsils especially then cut off the airpipe. And the damned huisarts didn’t notice while the kinderarts said he should have seen it within 2 minutes after I described the symptoms... Should have helped her a year or more sooner.

"Jobjoris" (Jobjoris)
03/28/2017 at 13:08, STARS: 0

Seeing the height of the impact I’d suspect they hit it with a truck. And if they did I’m sure the Alarm went of so they certainly should have noticed...

"Jobjoris" (Jobjoris)
03/28/2017 at 13:18, STARS: 1

Yep. Original clutch.

"Jobjoris" (Jobjoris)
03/28/2017 at 13:19, STARS: 0

Awesome, which countryside is that: Deauville and surroundings?

"philipilihp" (philiphilip)
03/28/2017 at 13:31, STARS: 1

Wow... Nice work, huisarts! This is why it pays to have a good huisarts and kinderarts. Well hopefully she’ll get some good sleep soon. I know how kids on no sleep are and it takes a toll on the entire household.

"Clemsie McKenzie" (thestirringcolumn)
03/28/2017 at 13:32, STARS: 1

No, next to Fontainebleau, about an hour south-east of Paris!

"Klaus Schmoll" (klausschmoll)
03/28/2017 at 13:54, STARS: 3

Well, there are 18 other people who can attest that it was in pristine condition on Saturday. If it helps, I’ll sign anything you send me. Such a shame, I feel the rage boiling up inside me right now. It was such an honor to drive behing this beautiful car at Spa!

"Jobjoris" (Jobjoris)
03/28/2017 at 15:13, STARS: 0

Ah, thanks man! Great picture!

The honor was all mine, someone proclaiming their love for the smell of my car doesn’t happen a lot ;-)

"CaptDale - is secretly British" (captdale)
03/28/2017 at 16:16, STARS: 1

Holy crap! THat is terrible. People are terrible and companies even worse. I really hope you are able to get everything fixed by the people responsible.

"Jobjoris" (Jobjoris)
03/28/2017 at 16:54, STARS: 1

The people responsible won’t ever come close again, next time I’ll just call Lothar directly even if it’s in the weekend! And I’ll get my own car trailer for transport. I HATE THIS WORLD!

"CaptDale - is secretly British" (captdale)
03/28/2017 at 17:28, STARS: 1

Yeah, I can agree with all of that.

"Steve in Manhattan" (blogenfreude01)
03/28/2017 at 18:17, STARS: 1

Guessing that Volvo was made before photography was invented, but it looked something like this ... and if you can get a used wing, it’ll save money. On the other hand, if an insurance company will install a new part, you win.

"fintail" (fintail)
03/28/2017 at 21:19, STARS: 1

Nice. I suppose owners of those know what they are doing.

"Jobjoris" (Jobjoris)
03/29/2017 at 02:52, STARS: 0

Ah, something like this awesome beast I ran into a little while ago...

A wing? ARE YOU MENTAL???

"Jobjoris" (Jobjoris)
03/29/2017 at 03:08, STARS: 0

Europe. Land of Manuèl.

"RallyWrench" (rndlitebmw)
03/29/2017 at 12:42, STARS: 2

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First and foremost I hope the family is healthy, sorry to hear that. Cars don’t matter much compared to them!

But the cars... Unbelievable that anyone would not only allow this to happen, but then not take responsibility. I hate this world too, every damn day, for reasons like this. I only use one local tow company because all the others have proven to be incompetent. And the coolant?!? WTF!!!! I am filled with rage for you, and I hope she gets a proper refurbishment on someone else’s dime.

As to the running problems that’s Motronic (the Carrera was one of the first cars to get it), not L-Jet, so it’s got a TDC sensor, an engine speed sensor (same sensor physically, next to each other but serving different purposes), and the cylinder head temp sensor on the back of the engine at the #3 cylinder head, and a throttle switch, in addition to the AFM. The symptom almost sounds like the way these behave when you unplug the AFM, which could mean an air leak somewhere or bad AFM. The cylinder head temp sensor can cause all kinds of weird running too, it serves the same purpose as a coolant temp sensor on a lesser watercooled car, telling the DME (engine computer) what enrichment needs to be for any given temperature. If it thinks the car is hot when it’s cold, for example, it could cause a big stumble because it’s running too lean but might still idle because that throttle switch I mentioned causes enrichment at idle and full throttle. A few possibilities, anyway. Sorry she let you down, but at least it happened near home and not climbing Raidillon or en route to/from Oppomeet. I’m interested to hear what Lothar finds.

"Jobjoris" (Jobjoris)
03/29/2017 at 17:23, STARS: 1

It’s the little one obviously... Big and therefor often infected tonsils. They’ll be removed the 25th of April, they need to go. Hope that’ll do the trick, she hardly sleeps when this happens and it’s simply too often!

I cannot imagine one just walks away. I think, looking at the height of the impact, some truck bumped in to it at the transit area. I don’t even want to know where that coolant came from.

Does it sound AFM? I was thinking the heat sensor as:

1. That still is the old-school one-wire sensor which Porsche themselves replaced with a two wire (no longer grounding it through the cylinderhead) sensor to fix issues;

2. When re-starting the car it will run idle at first and only after a many seconds the up-revving starts. I feel the AFM will cause it to do that immediately, right?

I’ve forgiven her/him (my Z4 was a she, I’ve always thought of the Porker as a masculine actually) already, almost instantly. He’s 30 years old. Stuff will break. And I’ve driven a lot without anything else going wrong, he still is reliable in my book!

"RallyWrench" (rndlitebmw)
03/29/2017 at 18:14, STARS: 1

Oh no! Poor thing. Best wishes for improvement after the surgery, that’s got to be hard to go through.

Most likely the temp sensor, for sure. But the symptoms just reminded me of when the AFM is disconnected. No doubt it’s still a great car, this is a minor speed bump before  tons more miles ahead!

"Jonee" (Jonee)
03/29/2017 at 22:31, STARS: 1

SHIT! That blows. And sucks. I hate when stuff like that happens. How could they do that much damage? Crazy. Is their insurance going to take care of it? What’s the best fix? A new fender? How’s the mechanical issue? And, how is the princess? Tonsils? I never had mine out. Europpomeet looked fun, though.

"gmporschenut also a fan of hondas" (gmporschenut)
03/29/2017 at 23:48, STARS: 1

Time to teach Hans a lesson

"Jobjoris" (Jobjoris)
03/30/2017 at 03:10, STARS: 1

The younger they are the easier that procedure is. I feel mum is having the most worries there ;-)

Ah, thanks for checking that out. Maybe it’s time for great maintenance. I feel the clutch could be up next.

"Jobjoris" (Jobjoris)
03/30/2017 at 05:04, STARS: 1

Europpomeet was fun, too bad it was such a short one for me. Next year...

I have no idea what happened, nor do I have any idea how on earth “nobody noticed” this. My insurance sure will cover but they’ll certainly get it back from the towing company. The mechanical issue is probably the heat sensor of the Motronic (TFritch agreed with my own analysis but did correct me on the L-Jetronic: It’s a Motronic). A 200 euro part, so not that bad. It will need a new 800 euro fender. Un painted. And getting the paint right could be an issue with such an old car. DAMN!

Tonsils! We’re the first generation they were not removed en masse I think.

"Jobjoris" (Jobjoris)
03/30/2017 at 05:07, STARS: 1

This will take quite some Porschenuts, bolts and kit to repair...

"Steve in Manhattan" (blogenfreude01)
03/30/2017 at 10:41, STARS: 1

That has a wheel from an 80s car, and I believe, given the grill, that it’s a ‘71, but I can’t be sure. If you change the oil and rebuild the carbs (and I did both) it’s impossible to kill these things.

"Jonee" (Jonee)
03/31/2017 at 14:55, STARS: 1

Yeah, how the hell do you not notice you’re putting a huge dent in the car you’re trailering? Whatever the incident was, it couldn’t have been subtle. Yeah, matching the old white paint will be a bitch. And, I wouldn’t be able to look at it if it’s a little off from the rest of the car. That happened with my gorgeous brown Pacer. Someone hit its front fender and from then on, that fender was just a little different from the rest of the car. So annoying. Well, I’m sorry this happened so soon after you took it out of its winter slumber. How long will it be down do you think? I imagine the heat sensor is easy.

True. They used to rip those things out of everybody. Well, she’ll get to eat lots of ice cream for a while. When’s the procedure?

"Jobjoris" (Jobjoris)
04/01/2017 at 07:01, STARS: 1

The more I look at it, the more I feel a truck of some kind “touched it” with backing up. The impact is that high. They can get a pretty good match nowadays but a trained eye will notice. The aging of the paint will not be the same though so anyway: I’m fucked! I’ve had an impact analysis by Lothar: 2,600+ euros. So now it’s case the damage inspection will check that and then it will be repaired. Won’t take that long, I need it the 14th of May for an official Porsche meeting (in which it will be shot for a book by the importer). Better tell the photographer to only shoot it from the right...

25th of April she’ll have the procedure.

"13" (13zoomzoom)
04/02/2017 at 18:41, STARS: 1

Epic sadness. I hope you sort this out and get compensated. Looks to me like they messed it up parking it or ran another car into it. Bummer dude.

"Jonee" (Jonee)
04/02/2017 at 21:31, STARS: 1

Yeah, being backed into makes sense. Whoever it was had no idea it was there, apparently. Maybe you can take the painted fender to a tanning salon and put it in one of the sun beds to try and mimic the fading. Then spray it with water for a day or so, and wash it a bunch of times. As good as new (old). Your car will be like a movie star with a good side and a bad side.

How is she feeling now? Does she know she’s going into the hospital in a couple weeks?

"Jobjoris" (Jobjoris)
04/03/2017 at 02:16, STARS: 0

It’s a bit high so I presume a truck backing up ran into it. Mega bummer as the fender needs a respray. Not sure if they’ll be able to match it to the rest of the car.

Why are you in the grey on Oppo????

"Jobjoris" (Jobjoris)
04/03/2017 at 02:51, STARS: 1

Good call on the fender. I need to tell Lothar not to throw it away! It will be an ornament somewhere in the man cave!

She’s better now but it will come back if we don’t do a thing. She snores while sleeping, that’s kinda funny.

"Jonee" (Jonee)
04/04/2017 at 22:13, STARS: 1

You totally need to save it. I’m sure Krista will love it as a decoration. I have a Pacer tailgate hanging in my garage. And, a Le Car door with the decal on it, but that I’m going to use at some point.

That sounds cute. I snore. Maybe I should get my tonsils out.

"Jobjoris" (Jobjoris)
04/05/2017 at 03:59, STARS: 1

Then you definitely need to get ‘m out. You have a cat, it will probably kill you in your sleep when it is a bit grumpy!

"Jonee" (Jonee)
04/07/2017 at 01:16, STARS: 1

You’re probably right. She wakes me up if I’m too loud. I also notice she’ll come into the bedroom when I wake up even if I haven’t said her name, or anything, so she must know I’m awake because I stopped making that terrible noise.

"Jobjoris" (Jobjoris)
04/07/2017 at 03:33, STARS: 1

Terrible noise? Beautiful noise! It’s just the female part of the world that has a problem with it, your cat just proves this theory! Get a male cat!

"Jonee" (Jonee)
04/09/2017 at 21:22, STARS: 1

Haha. True. I’m not sure it bothers her so much as it lets her know I’m asleep.

"Jobjoris" (Jobjoris)
04/10/2017 at 04:08, STARS: 1

And here we go again...

"Jonee" (Jonee)
04/10/2017 at 22:56, STARS: 0

What did you do to the Moose this time?

"Jobjoris" (Jobjoris)
04/11/2017 at 07:23, STARS: 1

Nothing. It wouldn’t move an inch. Stupid hybrids. The garage got me a nice replacement though.

PILOT ASSIST! I don’t even have to steer it on the highway!!!

"Jonee" (Jonee)
04/11/2017 at 22:26, STARS: 1

Ooo. Is that a new XC90? Fan-cy. What are you supposed to do while it’s steering for you? I’ve never really gotten tired of steering.

"Jobjoris" (Jobjoris)
04/12/2017 at 04:10, STARS: 1

Yes it is!

Bit smallish wheels. Huge thing for European standards (3 seat rows!).

Nothing! Well, actually, if you don’t touch the steering wheel for an N-period it stops working with a loud bell. To prevent you from falling asleep or something.

"Jonee" (Jonee)
04/13/2017 at 19:37, STARS: 1

You and your “too small” Volvo wheels. You always say that. They actually do look a little too petite on that thing. Lovely car, though, if you like driving something gargantuan.

So, it’s literally just steering. You still have to have your hands up there. That sounds much more annoying than having to steer.

"Jobjoris" (Jobjoris)
04/14/2017 at 06:55, STARS: 1

Haha, no I don’t! For my wagons I need bigger wheels for handling. For this handling isn’t really a thing. It just looks like a shoppincart this way.

It’s True.

"Jonee" (Jonee)
04/16/2017 at 00:16, STARS: 1

You’re always telling me my car’s wheels are too small. :/ What size are those wheels? It needs some dubs.

"Jobjoris" (Jobjoris)
04/16/2017 at 02:58, STARS: 1

No idea, they probably are way too big for the Le Car, something like 17". They just appear to be small. Like those base-wheels on the Tesla, these are freaking 19" and still look pathetic. What do you mean with “dubs”?

"Jonee" (Jonee)
04/16/2017 at 23:54, STARS: 1

“Dubs” are 20 inch wheels. 22 makes more sense to me, but they started with 20 inchers, so those are dubs. The C30 has 17", so that size on an SUV is small. It’s the rear one on a Tesla that looks so tiny. I guess it’s that fender flare that does it.

It makes it look smaller than the front wheel.

"Jobjoris" (Jobjoris)
04/17/2017 at 12:19, STARS: 1

Can you imagine seeing 19" on that (you’re showing the 21"!)?

Could be these aren’t even available over there!

"Jonee" (Jonee)
04/19/2017 at 21:21, STARS: 1

Jesus, look at all the wheel well room. That’s crazy. I had never noticed its tiny wheels before. Who the hell would get it with the 19's?

"Jobjoris" (Jobjoris)
04/20/2017 at 05:11, STARS: 1

It looks like a shopping cart!!!!!

"Jonee" (Jonee)
04/20/2017 at 18:37, STARS: 1

Maybe they were going for this look.

Or this: