by "HFV has no HFV. But somehow has 2 motorcycles" (hondasfordsvolvo)
Published 03/21/2017 at 11:47
by "HFV has no HFV. But somehow has 2 motorcycles" (hondasfordsvolvo)
Published 03/21/2017 at 11:47
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If you really want to bring back sales, and attention to the 86, instead of making it a “limited production” car. Which is B/S by the way. Make this. But don’t be afraid to bing the roof line higher at the rear. The rear window needs to be at least a foot tall.
But make sure the hatch is useful and opens like this.
Not like this, this is a joke. This is almost worse than a coupe.
"Rustholes-Are-Weight-Reduction" (rustholes-are-weight-reduction)
03/21/2017 at 11:51, STARS: 1
I don’t know about the states, but here, the Veloster sold very poorly, so I don’t know if that’s the good idea. I’d say TRD/STI version with 250+hp, which is expected, but would maybe silence the naysayers
"yamahog" (yamahog)
03/21/2017 at 11:55, STARS: 2
Lolno
"Jake - Has Bad Luck So You Don't Have To" (murdersofa)
03/21/2017 at 11:56, STARS: 1
That looks suspiciously like CR-Z sheet metal.
"RT" (rt-p)
03/21/2017 at 11:56, STARS: 1
Familiar…
"HammerheadFistpunch" (hammerheadfistpunch)
03/21/2017 at 11:57, STARS: 0
Nope. Two things:
More power
Convertible
"HFV has no HFV. But somehow has 2 motorcycles" (hondasfordsvolvo)
03/21/2017 at 11:58, STARS: 0
Well I’m not saying it should look or drive like a Veloster, just that the hatch should open like a big liftback, like the Veloster, or a Saab.
"TheHondaBro" (wwaveform)
03/21/2017 at 11:59, STARS: 0
If FP commenters want more power they should buy a V6 Accord.
A convertible would turn it into an affordable lifestyle coupe. It’s a good idea.
"HFV has no HFV. But somehow has 2 motorcycles" (hondasfordsvolvo)
03/21/2017 at 12:00, STARS: 0
Convertible? I can’t put junk in the back of a convertible. Infact that would less room for junk, I don’t like this idea at all.
"CB" (jrcb)
03/21/2017 at 12:02, STARS: 0
What did I just say?
"Rustholes-Are-Weight-Reduction" (rustholes-are-weight-reduction)
03/21/2017 at 12:04, STARS: 0
I actually like the styling of the Veloster, I wonder why Hyundai coupes fail so hard
"HFV has no HFV. But somehow has 2 motorcycles" (hondasfordsvolvo)
03/21/2017 at 12:05, STARS: 0
I never disagreed with you, I want lots more hatchbacks and wagons. I just want the, to add real utility and not just style. When it comes to long roofs
Function>form.
"TheHondaBro" (wwaveform)
03/21/2017 at 12:07, STARS: 2
Because they’re Hyundais.
"WiscoProud" (wiscoproud)
03/21/2017 at 12:09, STARS: 1
That ’ s a pretty stupid idea for a hatch. it looks dumb and the opening is unnecessarily tight. The window wouldn ’ t be bad if it wasn ’ t for that “ c - Pillar ” going across it.
"Rustholes-Are-Weight-Reduction" (rustholes-are-weight-reduction)
03/21/2017 at 12:10, STARS: 0
Thanks for clarifying that
"HFV has no HFV. But somehow has 2 motorcycles" (hondasfordsvolvo)
03/21/2017 at 12:12, STARS: 0
I wouldn’t say they’re failing, at least not in the US. Sales numbers are pretty good for a relativeLynne niche car. Sure it’s not selling like a Honda Civic, but it’s a liftback with three doors. And still out selling the FR-S buy leaps and bounds. Because a hatchback is a car for a sensible person, and coupe isn’t.
"HFV has no HFV. But somehow has 2 motorcycles" (hondasfordsvolvo)
03/21/2017 at 12:14, STARS: 0
Yeah I’m not a huge fan of this execution, but I do think an FRS hatch back is a good idea. If they just kept the roof line straight instead ps sloped back, and moved the opening of the hatch forward maybe even just 6 inches you’d have a great usuful package.
"WiscoProud" (wiscoproud)
03/21/2017 at 12:18, STARS: 1
I like shooting brakes, but its like the designers are going out of their way to ignore the gorgeous designs from the past. You can have a pseudo- C-pillar, but you can’t keep the same high belt line in the back. It just looks dumb. Either do it right, or just do a hatchback.
"Rustholes-Are-Weight-Reduction" (rustholes-are-weight-reduction)
03/21/2017 at 12:20, STARS: 0
In France they moved 355 units in 2013 and 100 in 2014. I guess in Europe we have to many alternatives
"FSI - alcohol enthusiast with a car problem" (fuelstratifiedinjection)
03/21/2017 at 12:27, STARS: 0
The only thing it badly needs is moar power. 200 hp wasn’t that impressive in 2007, what did Toyota think with only offering a 200 hp engine? And they’re still reluctant about more power. Smdh
"Tekamul" (tekamulburner)
03/21/2017 at 12:31, STARS: 1
You somehow confused ‘convertible’ with ‘targa’.
"Tekamul" (tekamulburner)
03/21/2017 at 12:33, STARS: 1
The idea is nice, but that execution is horrendous. This is why we can’t have nice things. They don’t even understand the purpose of a shooting brake.
"wiffleballtony" (wiffleballtony)
03/21/2017 at 12:52, STARS: 5
Or they could, make it fast?
"HFV has no HFV. But somehow has 2 motorcycles" (hondasfordsvolvo)
03/21/2017 at 12:52, STARS: 0
Nah.
"wiffleballtony" (wiffleballtony)
03/21/2017 at 12:55, STARS: 0
Yeah huh
"ateamfan42" (ateamfan42)
03/21/2017 at 13:02, STARS: 0
I’d rather they keep the power down so owners can enjoy more reasonable insurance rates. Aftermarket forced induction is a great solution for those who want more power.
"Berang" (berang)
03/21/2017 at 13:11, STARS: 1
How much faster? Like 1/4 of a second faster 0-60 so it can compete with a miata in a race to 60mph on a flat, straight track?
"Justin Hughes" (justinhughes54)
03/21/2017 at 13:14, STARS: 0
Even though I think 200 (205 in the new ones) hp is plenty, I agree with you that there should be a TRD/STi version. Why? Because practically everyone else wants it. Everyone who wanted an 86/BRZ/FR-S in its original form got one in the first two years of production. Including me. Since then, sales have plummeted without something new and fresh to keep it interesting, or to motivate current owners to upgrade.
"Nonster" (noahnic)
03/21/2017 at 13:15, STARS: 1
I came to a similar conclusion. I took a close look at the Toyobaru at an auto expo and the back seats are a joke. Advertising the car as a 2+2 just leads to disappointment. They should have grown it a bit and turned it into a lift-back or even a shooting brake to improve cargo room and to have useable rear seats or they should have just ditched the rear seats altogether and made the car smaller and lighter.
"wiffleballtony" (wiffleballtony)
03/21/2017 at 13:43, STARS: 0
That would help. Primarily I’m trying to rustle jimmies.
"IAN_Z" (theonline)
03/22/2017 at 00:41, STARS: 1
I absolutely adore shooting brakes. Too bad the only one on sale today costs $300,000+
"IAN_Z" (theonline)
03/22/2017 at 00:43, STARS: 1
I wish a company with money to burn would bring a coupe and shooting brake version to market to see which one sells better.