by "POD" (podimus)
Published 03/11/2017 at 01:20
by "POD" (podimus)
Published 03/11/2017 at 01:20
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So I’ve had a rather old and very abused 2600K build. She lasted me through XCom, through Skyrim, and even through Cities Skyline.... sorta. In the least 2 weeks I’ve had multiple hard drive corruptions, have had to reinstall windows, and then ran into a boot loop I can’t fix. After a new power supply and some free diagnostics from my local supply store I was told my MoBo decided to GTFO. Fortunately the GTX 1070 tested out in tip top shape.
My primary uses for a computer are:
1) Gaming
2) Photo Editing
3) Video Editing
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Always at the ready I must have processing potential - Home office/web browsing/music streaming/downloading/everything else while 1-3 are doing their thing
This makes for a hard list to accommodate. I suppose it also makes me the target audience for the new AMD Ryzen processors.
So I bit (pun intended?). In my defense I did wait till late Saturday the weekend of launch to see some preliminary reviews and I’m happy I did so.
Low and behold it seemed to be that the new Ryzen chips
could
all be overclocked to the same levels and give about the same performance.
So my cheap ass thought;
“For Fuck Sake POD, why spend more hard earned Canadian pesos on something fancy when the cheap crap will do ya?!”
So I didn’t. I bought a Ryzen 1700 (note the lack of an x there) with a PRIME ASUS B350 PLUS.
I feel this is the best value in the new Ryzen line up as it stands now. She takes a bit of work, but you can add pixies and get’r to near or at the OC levels the 1800X; even when the 1800X is overclocked.
Yes, that is right, the new Ryzen chips
ALL
seem to have the same thermal limit with current supporting board optimizations. I do feel that if/when new updates come out that more headroom will be unlocked.
The 1700 Ryzen setup is sitting at a stable 4.0GHz. After every Burn In/Benchmark/Stress Test I ran.
It. Is. Stable.
I have the ASUS included MoBo software to thank for that. I’m by no means a smart man when it comes to setting up a proper Overclock. I can build a LEGO and I can assemble a computer, but fuck me if I can tailor voltage to not melt a cpu. No sir, not my bag.
So, for a thumbs wearing chub like me, how’d I do it? Well I have a mostly well ventilated case and a huge ass Noctua air cooler. That and the AUSU boards do a fantastic job of running a progressive thermal load on their auto OC settings. Seriously, ASUS does. Like worth spending the extra $10 pesos on.
For me this system is suiting my current needs a hellion times better than my old 2700K did (even with the GTX 1070 installed) and at a price that my Canadian pesos can stomach.
"Axial" (axial)
03/11/2017 at 01:36, STARS: 1
I am so ecstatic that AMD actually delivered this time. CPU progression has been a joke ever since Core2 de-throned the Athlon 64 X2, but now we have something to sink our teeth in.
"POD" (podimus)
03/11/2017 at 01:43, STARS: 0
We’ll have to see if there is a way to adjust things to expand the thermal limit. At 4.050 (on the cheapest 1700 chip) I hit shut down even despite my core temps being at 68c. Not super high by any means. My hope is optimization is out there.
That said, even as it stands, it’s legit competition for Intel and that’s a good thing.
"Axial" (axial)
03/11/2017 at 01:51, STARS: 0
Were you leaving it at the stock voltage?
"POD" (podimus)
03/11/2017 at 01:55, STARS: 0
1.4V target.
"Axial" (axial)
03/11/2017 at 02:09, STARS: 0
Hmmm. I’ve seen a lot of places get it to 4 GHz on between 1.35 and 1.38 volts actual. Could be the software is actually limiting you by not providing sufficient resolution to tweak the way going down into the BIOS might. Could also be a binning thing. I’ve seen suggestions saying that disabling multi-threading might yield more headroom, but I find that claim dubious.
"POD" (podimus)
03/11/2017 at 02:35, STARS: 0
I only hit 1.4V at extremely high usage. It is rather hard to hit that limit.
"404 - User No Longer Available" (toni-cipriani)
03/11/2017 at 08:02, STARS: 0
The Ryzen did caught my eye, but two things:
My 3570K I bought almost 5 years ago is actually still serving me very well. Even the 290 4GB is holding up just fine, I haven’t actually bought new games in quite a while and last I played Forza Apex and it still runs brilliantly.
Ryzen doesn’t come in Mini-ITX yet, that’s my next downsize, looking at the Silverstone Milo Z or the Fractal Design Node 202. I’m already down to a MicroATX and it’s still not small enough for my tiny ass apartment. I do know they are working on that, but still scratching my head why they would leave out USB 3.1 Gen 2 for the ITX boards.
"POD" (podimus)
03/11/2017 at 10:19, STARS: 0
Both of those things are valid reasons to not upgrade. Mini-ixt boards should come out eventually. Paired with a mini gtx 1070 it’d make an impressive small form factor build. My only concern would be venting heat if you planned to overclock it. I say that because the overclock performance seems to be where the value is at.
"bhtooefr" (bhtooefr)
03/11/2017 at 10:26, STARS: 1
That’s because the “X300" chipset isn’t really a chipset at all.
It’s just a tiny chip that handles the security functions normally handled by the chipset.
The CPU has 24 PCIe 3.0 lanes, 2 SATA connections (I believe shared with 2 of the PCIe lanes), and 4 USB “3.1" Gen 1 connections on-die.
The actual chipsets use four of those PCIe 3.0 lanes and give you USB 3.1 Gen 2, USB “3.1" Gen 1, USB 2.0, more SATA, and some PCIe 2.0 lanes.
Also worth noting, however, that the only Mini-ITX boards that have been announced use the X370 and B350 chipsets anyway - the Biostar X370GTN and B350GTN.
"wiffleballtony" (wiffleballtony)
03/11/2017 at 12:22, STARS: 1
I still have an XP laptop I should try to watch homestar runner on it.
"404 - User No Longer Available" (toni-cipriani)
03/11/2017 at 16:22, STARS: 0
I’ll see what Vega looks like, my last nVidia card (7900GS) was nothing but driver trouble. Ended up going to a 4850 and stuck with AMD since.
As for overclocking, that’s probably not happening. I do run a mild overclock with my 3570K (3.4GHz to 3.8GHz), but to be honest it didn’t make too much of a difference, so think my next one I might just keep it stock.
"POD" (podimus)
03/11/2017 at 23:28, STARS: 0
My experience has been the opposite. I run AMD GPU’s on by HTPCs (I have 2 at the moment) and have had no end of trouble with drivers. Turned me off AMD as a whole until now. nVidia on the other hand has handled driver updates beautify with their “GeForce Experience”. I’m notified of drivers, they download and install when I allow, and they run perfectly. I’ve never had an issue.
As for overclocking, It’s really the main selling point of the Ryzen chip set in my opinion, at least for an enthusiast gamer/content creator. You can get a base chip that performs up to levels the 6700K for 1/3 the price on a good air cooler. I understand different storks for different folks and all that. For a budget new build that will perform very good to spectacular regardless of application; overclocked 1700 with a high-mid range GPU of choice is a winner winner chicken dinner. This coming for a die hard Intel Fan Boy.