Need Some Range Time

by "CaptDale - is secretly British" (captdale)
Published 03/10/2017 at 19:09

Tags: gunlopnik ; rifle
STARS: 1

*gun related* buffer image just incase #snowflakes

Well Oppo I have a fairly decent gun collection, but I haven’t been to the range in months. Lately I have been watching a lot, and I mean A LOT, of the Forgotten Weapons youtube channel. It is great and they guy is very very informative. I just love getting this info that otherwise I would never be able to experience. At least not at this point in my life. It makes me miss going out shooting, but I am kinda bored of shooting at the only decent range in the county.

Oh if you were wondering the guns are: 1 Mosin Nagant 91-30, 1 sporterized Springfield M1903 (my hunting rifle), 1 12 gauge Remington 870, 1 Beretta 92FS 9mm, 2 Arisaka Type 99s, and an old .410 (I think) that needs repairs or made into a display piece.

Anyway, I particularly liked the Walther WA2000 video. Very cool and makes me realize I really want a long distance military sniper rifle, because why not? I would also like to be able to shoot very far distances because it is fun. The local range goes up to 700 yards and trust me I have to aim very very high on my .30-06 and lob it over there. So eventually I will want a WA2000, but at $35k its a little out of my range. So I am thinking maybe a Dragunov. Anyone on here have one? What are they like?

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*UPDATE* Found some pictures of most of my guns

Replies (64)

"For Sweden" (rallybeetle)
03/10/2017 at 19:13, STARS: 2

Winter camo with AWD is important around snowflakes

"CaptDale - is secretly British" (captdale)
03/10/2017 at 19:13, STARS: 0

HA. Too many carbons for them. They want camo AWD public transport.

"For Sweden" (rallybeetle)
03/10/2017 at 19:15, STARS: 1

What does the snow care about public transport?

"CaptDale - is secretly British" (captdale)
03/10/2017 at 19:26, STARS: 2

It’s an insult, short for “ special snowflake ”. Saying that all young liberals think they are special and precious and unique and the world should revolve around them. And they will melt into a puddle when anything goes wrong.

"For Sweden" (rallybeetle)
03/10/2017 at 19:31, STARS: 2

But I like snow, it’s good for sliding on top of while wearing planks on my feet

"CaptDale - is secretly British" (captdale)
03/10/2017 at 19:34, STARS: 1

I also enjoy sliding on frozen water, but on one large plank.

"Tohru" (tohrurokuno)
03/10/2017 at 19:34, STARS: 1

The Dragunov is properly a designated marksman rifle, not a sniper rifle. It’s not as precise as something built specifically to be a sniper rifle like the WA2000 is.

The Dragunov in original layout uses 7.62x54R just like your Mosin. So you can try your 91/30 at 700 yards to get an idea for the bullet ballistics.

My current collection is a 1936 91/30, a 1965 10/22, a 1973 Romanian AKM I put together out of a parts kit, a Swede M96 Mauser, a 1952 H&R .22LR bolt action, a CZ-75 pre-B, and a 1923 Deutsche Werke Ortgies.

"For Sweden" (rallybeetle)
03/10/2017 at 19:40, STARS: 0

disgusting

"Highlander-Datsuns are Forever" (jamesbowland)
03/10/2017 at 19:47, STARS: 1

My kid and we’re plinking with my moms .22-250. For a small caliber rifle that thing has some balls, exploded bottles of water no problem and accurate! I would use it as a deer rifle if I didn’t already have a .270.

"CaptDale - is secretly British" (captdale)
03/10/2017 at 19:58, STARS: 0

.270 is nice

"CaptDale - is secretly British" (captdale)
03/10/2017 at 19:58, STARS: 1

Says the uncool guy

"CaptDale - is secretly British" (captdale)
03/10/2017 at 20:04, STARS: 0

Yeah. I plink away at 300 yards with the irons on my 91/30. The Dragunov is more precise though correct?  

Sounds like a lovely collection you’ve got going on there.

"wiffleballtony" (wiffleballtony)
03/10/2017 at 20:24, STARS: 1

I love the Forgotten Weapons channel. I think it’s the same dude on InRange channel as well. Military Arms channel is good as well.

As far as Dragunov goes, they’re pretty expensive as well. You could easily do better with a garden variety .308 or whatever AR15. However you seem to be a Mil Surp sorta guy.

"Jcarr" (jcarr)
03/10/2017 at 20:25, STARS: 1

I’ll have to check out that YouTube channel. Always interested in lesser known things.

My collection only consists of a Mossberg 500 Thunder Ranch that I kind of went “tacticool” with (ATI pistol grip, Magpul foregrip, flashlight, reflex sight) and a 1947 Winchester Model 12 that’s been passed down a few generations.

"Tohru" (tohrurokuno)
03/10/2017 at 20:26, STARS: 1

ehhh... shooting standard Mosin food a brand-new Dragunov with scope in properly trained hands will produce about 2.2" groupings at 300 yards. Better than a Mosin, but probably on par or slightly worse than your ‘03. You’d need 7N1 or 7N14 sniper-grade ammo to tighten up the groupings, and good luck with that.

Unless, of course, you got it chambered in .308 or 30-06. But then is it still a true Dragunov?

It’s a nice collection so far. I bought the Mauser sportsterized so I need to get a wood stock and iron sights for it. Ignore the backwards scope on it - I was testing out scope mounting ideas and have since fixed that.

"wiffleballtony" (wiffleballtony)
03/10/2017 at 20:27, STARS: 0

I hate snow, especially doing planks in yoga pants

"CaptDale - is secretly British" (captdale)
03/10/2017 at 20:31, STARS: 0

Lovely collection. Yeah I know the ammo selection wouldn’t be great. I could hand load....

Why not leave it sporterized?

"CaptDale - is secretly British" (captdale)
03/10/2017 at 20:34, STARS: 0

Yes he is the same as InRange. It is where they test from Forgotten Weapons a lot.

Not that I like Mil Surp over others, but I am a huge history nerd and I love that connection with a bit of the past and the reasons for making the guns they did. I have my AR15 I need to build, but I just really like that aspect of a bit of history.

"CaptDale - is secretly British" (captdale)
03/10/2017 at 20:34, STARS: 1

My .30-06 is also a hand me down. Got id for my 21st from my grandfather. hes used it for as long as I can remember to hunt.

"Tohru" (tohrurokuno)
03/10/2017 at 20:43, STARS: 1

For me a rifle is wood and steel, brass and fire. Plus, it’s how it came from the factory, and that’s the way I’d like to put it back to. Sportsterizing a rifle to me is like ricing a car.

"gmporschenut also a fan of hondas" (gmporschenut)
03/10/2017 at 20:45, STARS: 1

inrange and forgotten weapons is a deep rabbit hole. pull out your day planner.

"DipodomysDeserti" (dipodomysdeserti)
03/10/2017 at 21:00, STARS: 1

Herp derp, good one Jethro!

I think you should spend lots of money buying a Dragunov and trying to make it into a long range rifle. You’ll have to aim just as high though...

"wiffleballtony" (wiffleballtony)
03/10/2017 at 21:03, STARS: 1

Just fit the AR with fixed stock and an A1 hand guard. You can pretend it’s Vietnam era.

"MrDakka" (mrdakka)
03/10/2017 at 21:08, STARS: 1

You don’t need a dragunov for long range shooting, comrade. I’ve hit targets at 400 yards with iron sights on my AK. Usually with a hit ratio of 1/16 XD

"66671 - 200 [METRIC] my dash" (66671)
03/10/2017 at 21:13, STARS: 0

Aren’t SVDs hard to find because of import bans and whatnot? What about a Mosin? They’re super cheap in Canada.

Also, if you have a hard time finding an SVD within a tighter budget, try a Vepr chambered in 54R (can be found in a multitude of configs, the first probably being my dream gun, not counting machine guns):

"TheRealBicycleBuck" (therealbicyclebuck)
03/10/2017 at 21:27, STARS: 1

I inherited my grandfather’s 1968 Remington 870 Wingmaster. It hasn’t seen much use under my care, but my gunsmith says it’s the cleanest 870 he’s ever worked on. My son has been bugging me about going deer hunting, so I’ve been looking into a rifled barrel for the 870. I wasn’t sure how well it would work until I found several videos of guys hitting targets at 200 yards with slugs in smooth barrels. It looks like a good starting point.

"TheRealBicycleBuck" (therealbicyclebuck)
03/10/2017 at 21:29, STARS: 0

My mom just gave me her 500 that’s dressed up with a pistol grip and extendable stock. She bought it for home defense, then discovered how hard it kicked. After being beat up by it, she decided to get a Ruger 0.40.

My mom’s a badass.

"Jcarr" (jcarr)
03/10/2017 at 21:36, STARS: 1

It does kick like a mule. I feel like the foregrip helps.

"Nibbles" (nibbles)
03/10/2017 at 21:41, STARS: 1

Pic of that old .410 plx

"TheRealBicycleBuck" (therealbicyclebuck)
03/10/2017 at 22:32, STARS: 0

I’ve put a few shells through it. It kicks quite a bit harder than my 870. I’m thinking about changing the stock to something with a pad.

"CaptDale - is secretly British" (captdale)
03/11/2017 at 11:01, STARS: 0

Sure. I will try to do so next time I go to my storage unit. Again I think it is a .410. It was junk from back in my grandfather’s youth and the stock is almost rotted off. I am not sure what it is anymore. He gave it to me because why not.

"CaptDale - is secretly British" (captdale)
03/11/2017 at 11:03, STARS: 0

Yeah, that is about the area of my 870 which I also got from my grandfather. The older 870s are supposedly much, much nicer than the new ones. So I would say hold onto it. Never heard of anyone going hunting with slugs, but I am sure its done.

"CaptDale - is secretly British" (captdale)
03/11/2017 at 11:08, STARS: 0

Yes they are hard to find, but not impossible. Still bring in lik $10k.... I like my Mosin the way it is. I guess I could get another, but I kinda want something made more for the task of shooting further away.

"CaptDale - is secretly British" (captdale)
03/11/2017 at 11:09, STARS: 0

I hit 350 all day with irons on my Mosin maybe 3/5 shots, but I want a purpose built long range rifle where 5/5 shots make it right where I want them to you know? Then I have to work on my training too

"CaptDale - is secretly British" (captdale)
03/11/2017 at 11:09, STARS: 0

No

"CaptDale - is secretly British" (captdale)
03/11/2017 at 11:11, STARS: 0

So no love for my sporterized Springfield?

"66671 - 200 [METRIC] my dash" (66671)
03/11/2017 at 11:54, STARS: 1

Oh my mistake, didn’t read that you had a Mosin already lol.

"TheRealBicycleBuck" (therealbicyclebuck)
03/11/2017 at 12:07, STARS: 1

Yeah, the gunsmith said the older ones were easier to maintain and were less prone to failure due to looser tolerances. His only warning was to avoid steel shot or really high powder charges. There’s a spring in the receiver that can’t handle the additional pressure. It’s riveted to the side of the receiver, so when it breaks, the rivets have to be drilled out, forever altering the appearance of the gun.

"wiffleballtony" (wiffleballtony)
03/11/2017 at 12:08, STARS: 0

Kek

"CaptDale - is secretly British" (captdale)
03/11/2017 at 12:12, STARS: 0

If I ever get to building my AR lower, I will go with more modern equipment.

"CaptDale - is secretly British" (captdale)
03/11/2017 at 12:12, STARS: 0

Hmm... Haven’t heard of that. I’ll have to do a little investigating.

"TheRealBicycleBuck" (therealbicyclebuck)
03/11/2017 at 12:19, STARS: 1

I think it was the ejector spring. Part 16 which is held on by rivets 14 and 15 in the diagram below.

"wiffleballtony" (wiffleballtony)
03/11/2017 at 12:20, STARS: 1

I’m with you 100%. I like my AR to be modern. I find it funny that a lot of people feel that AK guns should remain with wood furniture while ARs have to be modern.

"CaptDale - is secretly British" (captdale)
03/11/2017 at 12:24, STARS: 0

All good. Some reason that is the one I can’t find a picture of lol.

"CaptDale - is secretly British" (captdale)
03/11/2017 at 12:27, STARS: 1

Have you seen the wood furniture ARs ? Pure SWOON

Well the AK is a Ferrari where the AR is like a Mustang. The AK has this mystic and NO ONE DARE MODIFY THEM, where the AR is literally a dime a dozen and MOD LYFE BRO type things go on.

"CaptDale - is secretly British" (captdale)
03/11/2017 at 12:36, STARS: 0

Yeah, looks like the ejector and ejector springs can fail. Thanks for the heads up. I pretty much only shoot for skeet and bird anyway.

"wiffleballtony" (wiffleballtony)
03/11/2017 at 12:43, STARS: 1

It’s almost steam punk. I like it for some weird reason. Personally I find AKS to be massively over rated. They’re good but not godlike.

"TheRealBicycleBuck" (therealbicyclebuck)
03/11/2017 at 13:03, STARS: 1

It came up because I was talking about duck hunting. He recommended sticking with other birds and skeet

Glad to be of service!

"CaptDale - is secretly British" (captdale)
03/11/2017 at 13:08, STARS: 1

Glad to know I am using it properly ha ha

"CaptDale - is secretly British" (captdale)
03/11/2017 at 13:10, STARS: 0

They are overrated the same reason the 911 is. Very cool and pretty good for what it does, but people have deemed them as these super special things where really they are just making an object that does its job well, but not particularly spectacular out to be the best thing in its class. 

"wiffleballtony" (wiffleballtony)
03/11/2017 at 13:59, STARS: 0

Did you see the InRange mud tests on the AK?

"CaptDale - is secretly British" (captdale)
03/11/2017 at 14:15, STARS: 0

Nope

"wiffleballtony" (wiffleballtony)
03/11/2017 at 14:28, STARS: 1

http://www.recoilweb.com/ak-vs-ar-mud-test-82001.html

"CaptDale - is secretly British" (captdale)
03/11/2017 at 15:50, STARS: 0

That is very cool!

"wiffleballtony" (wiffleballtony)
03/11/2017 at 16:53, STARS: 1

Apparently even Russian state TV stole the footage and changed it for propaganda purposes.

"CaptDale - is secretly British" (captdale)
03/11/2017 at 17:01, STARS: 0

Seriously? Fucking Russia.

"wiffleballtony" (wiffleballtony)
03/11/2017 at 17:34, STARS: 1

Yeap. Check it out.

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"Tohru" (tohrurokuno)
03/11/2017 at 18:40, STARS: 1

I’ll give it some love because its still in a wooden stock. If it was in an Archangel or something I’d be reeee’ing at you.

"CaptDale - is secretly British" (captdale)
03/13/2017 at 11:23, STARS: 0

Eww, I just looked up that stock. I could never! I was gifted this by my grandfather for my 21st birthday. He has been using it for hunting since before my dad I believe. So I think he sporterized it.

"CaptDale - is secretly British" (captdale)
03/13/2017 at 11:26, STARS: 0

How do you even use that as propaganda? It obviously failed.

"wiffleballtony" (wiffleballtony)
03/13/2017 at 11:28, STARS: 1

They cut out the part where the gun failed and replaced it with other footage.

"CaptDale - is secretly British" (captdale)
03/13/2017 at 11:41, STARS: 0

Put he pointed it out failing... uggg. So stupid

"The Powershift in Steve's '12 Ford Focus killed it's TCM (under warranty!)" (steve-still-hasnt-wrecked-the-powershift-in-his-12-ford-focus)
03/15/2017 at 13:31, STARS: 1

If you’re looking into long range shooting, the Ruger RPR is the one to beat in the performance-per-dollar competition. Tikka makes nice rifles as well assuming you don’t need a super adjustable tactical chassis.

I’d also suggest watching C&Rsenal if you’re into highly informative videos on military surplus. Forgotten Weapons’ companion channel - InRangeTv - is great as well.

"CaptDale - is secretly British" (captdale)
03/15/2017 at 13:54, STARS: 0

The RPR looks like a great rifle. I would totally buy one in 6.5 Creedmoor. That would be tons of fun.

I love InRangeTV. I will check out C&Rsenal