by "TheHondaBro" (wwaveform)
Published 03/07/2017 at 09:52
by "TheHondaBro" (wwaveform)
Published 03/07/2017 at 09:52
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Good to see Honda coming out with a wild car after receiving so much criticism on Jalopnik about their boring cars. I’m sure the reaction will be positive!
Oh wait...
"djmt1" (djmt1)
03/07/2017 at 09:59, STARS: 0
One thing I have learned from this Geneva show is that people really like boring looking cars and anything even remotely close to interesting is automatically ugly.
"WRXforScience" (WRXforScience)
03/07/2017 at 09:59, STARS: 4
I was interested until they said it has 20" wheels. That means this is just for hard-parkers and posers. No one who actually drives wants 20" wheels, they are heavy, too big to fit in the car, and tires are too damned expensive to use.
I am disappoint.
"WilliamsSW" (williamssw)
03/07/2017 at 10:07, STARS: 1
I like it - and I’m wayyyy outside of the target market for this car (I’m 49). The design is a little over the top, and I’m with WRXforScience on the 20s, but I hope to hell they succeed with this. Anything that pulls Honda (and Toyota) out of the boring zone is good news, as far as I’m concerned.
"interstate366, now In The Industry" (interstate366)
03/07/2017 at 10:07, STARS: 0
I’d rather have a Mugen RR for the price.
"Daily Drives a Dragon - One Last Lap" (ddadragon)
03/07/2017 at 10:08, STARS: 0
Can I have this but make it look like a normal SI. Too much for me. Also 300 is a lot for the front to deal.
"Stapleface" (patrickgruden)
03/07/2017 at 10:08, STARS: 1
You know, I don’t necessarily hate the Type R. It kind of reminds me of a second gen WRX with the body modifications. It wouldn’t be a dealbreaker.
I do agree though that 20's are fucking stupid. Unless this thing has 19" brakes or something, that is just completely pointless. And even then, if it does have brakes that big, why? Put some 17's on it and call it a day.
"Ash78, voting early and often" (ash78)
03/07/2017 at 10:11, STARS: 0
Dat underbite doe!
"Cash Rewards" (cashrewards)
03/07/2017 at 10:14, STARS: 1
Counterpoint: they can fit big brakes.
"SidewaysOnDirt still misses Bowie" (sidewaysondirt)
03/07/2017 at 10:17, STARS: 0
If an F1 car can stop with 13" wheels, a Civic can stop with 16s.
"TheHondaBro" (wwaveform)
03/07/2017 at 10:20, STARS: 0
What Cash Rewards said. It’s for big brakes.
"TheHondaBro" (wwaveform)
03/07/2017 at 10:21, STARS: 4
A Formula 1 car also weighs next to nothing.
"SidewaysOnDirt still misses Bowie" (sidewaysondirt)
03/07/2017 at 10:23, STARS: 0
722 kg? The Type R won’t be shedding 140 mph every few seconds.
"TheHondaBro" (wwaveform)
03/07/2017 at 10:23, STARS: 0
"WRXforScience" (WRXforScience)
03/07/2017 at 10:24, STARS: 2
I’d buy that excuse for some 18" wheels, but not 20" dubs. If that thing needs that much brake, it must weigh too much.
"Cash Rewards" (cashrewards)
03/07/2017 at 10:24, STARS: 0
Yeah, that’s a little disingenuous. F1 car weighs less, with expensive carbon brakes that won’t last thousands of miles, has downforce that increases braking, etc. Any car with 13" inch brakes stops better with 14". There is a trade-off with rotational mass and unsprung weight, but if this is a serious track car then it could be helpful. Necessary, of course not. But to dismiss a car outright because of wheel size is silly.
"Daily Drives a Dragon - One Last Lap" (ddadragon)
03/07/2017 at 10:26, STARS: 0
It’s perfect. Hiding in plain sight.
"Cash Rewards" (cashrewards)
03/07/2017 at 10:26, STARS: 0
Need, no. Could perform better with, sure. But dismissing a car because of wheel size is silly.
"TheHondaBro" (wwaveform)
03/07/2017 at 10:27, STARS: 1
Yes, a Formula 1 car has a certain braking system, therefore a Japanese compact is invalid.
"SidewaysOnDirt still misses Bowie" (sidewaysondirt)
03/07/2017 at 10:32, STARS: 0
Do you
really
think they’re putting discs that big on it?
"SidewaysOnDirt still misses Bowie" (sidewaysondirt)
03/07/2017 at 10:38, STARS: 0
There’s also an even bigger tradeoff with slip angle and sidewall. Can’t use your bigger brakes if the tires can’t hold the grip. There’s a reason you don’t see race cars with low profiles. I’m dismissing it for something that’s a performance tradeoff simply for cosmetics. If it were purely aesthetic, I wouldn’t care. You know what I see in the side shot? About two inches between the calipers and the rim. This has
nothing
to do with brake size.
"SidewaysOnDirt still misses Bowie" (sidewaysondirt)
03/07/2017 at 10:38, STARS: 0
Do you really think they’re putting discs that big on it? Hint - they’re not.
"TheHondaBro" (wwaveform)
03/07/2017 at 10:42, STARS: 0
It’s a possibility. That caliper looks snug. Also a lot of the car is for aesthetics anyway. A lot of the people who were fans of the original Fast and Furious films will like it. It may not be Jalopnik’s cup of tea, but it is actually part of car culture. (I myself was one of them, and I’m not ashamed to admit that I quite like that sort of stuff).
"Cash Rewards" (cashrewards)
03/07/2017 at 10:47, STARS: 0
Three things. 1)I agree with most everything you’re saying. 2) if I bought this car I’d be autocrossing and track daying it, and it would get either a bigger brake kit or smaller wheel /larger sidewall combo, based on what you’re showing in that pic. Hell, maybe both. 3) wheel size as a judgement of whether this car will perform or not is not a valid metric when nobody’s driven it yet.
"JQJ213- Now With An Extra Cylinder!" (jqj213)
03/07/2017 at 11:00, STARS: 0
Considering a near base model Accord Sport is riding on 19s... Big wheels are the future.
"Bryan doesn't drive a 1M" (bryantakespictures)
03/07/2017 at 11:23, STARS: 0
I like it and am even considering buying one *gasp* ...new! Without the wing and with some 18" wheels, I’d be camped out in front of a Honda dealer right now.
After proper comparisons with the GTI, Golf R, STI, WRX, Focus RS, Focus ST, Fiesta ST, 330i, and yes, even the Mazda3.
"citizennick" (citizennick)
03/07/2017 at 11:24, STARS: 1
I don’t understand the hate. I’m intrigued with the Type R.
The FP is stupid. So many people assuming the RS will eat it’s lunch around the track because... AWD... uh...
"190octane" (admiralcb)
03/07/2017 at 11:25, STARS: 1
I like it also. There are plenty of cars I would rather have before this one, but I would much rather pull up to a stop light and see this next to me instead of another beige Camry or Accord.
"TheHondaBro" (wwaveform)
03/07/2017 at 11:27, STARS: 0
If I were in the right financial position, I’d be calling my local dealer right now.
"Dusty Ventures" (dustyventures)
03/07/2017 at 11:57, STARS: 0
I’m reserving judgement until it’s been thoroughly tested. The hot hatch segment is stronger than its ever been, full of seriously mind blowing cars. If the Civic’s performance doesn’t live up to the promises its wild styling is making then the competition is going to have it for breakfast.
I’m really hoping it won’t prove to be all show no go.
"WRXforScience" (WRXforScience)
03/07/2017 at 12:14, STARS: 0
The dumb future. Big wheels are a fashion fad, they are only the future if we let it happen.
Do not go gently into the night, rage against the dying of the light.
"WRXforScience" (WRXforScience)
03/07/2017 at 12:19, STARS: 1
It was the final straw, that step too far, the last piece of evidence that this car is not meant for me or enthusiasts like me (drivers, if cars and coffee/car meets are your thing, whatever this is a great cars and coffee flavor of the month car).
Let’s not pretend that the civic is for guys who are looking to go to the track or hit up an autocross, which is a little sad since the originals were for us.
"Cash Rewards" (cashrewards)
03/07/2017 at 12:22, STARS: 0
If it’s the final straw, that’s certainly fair enough. There are definitely plenty to go around on the car. But will it drive well? We don’t know yet. I hope so, if only to keep pushing the subies and VW.