by "Yowen - not necessarily not spaghetti and meatballs" (yowen)
Published 03/06/2017 at 10:45
by "Yowen - not necessarily not spaghetti and meatballs" (yowen)
Published 03/06/2017 at 10:45
Tags: oil
; oilreserves
; porsche wagon
STARS: 1
I’m not here to ask what it would be (although feel free to add it in your response). I’m curious about this in the sense that: what if I were to spend twice what I would normally spend on a car (say $50-60k instead of $25-30k), with the stipulation that I have to drive it the rest of its life, or my life. Whichever ends first. What if said car has a high powered gas engine, that likely doesn’t exceed 25 mpg, maybe not even 20. Then let’s say this car lasts 40 to 50 years. Will you have a hell of an expensive time driving this thing in 2057, 2067?
Why did this spark my curiosity? I want that Porsche Wagon. Bad. I’d be happy to buy it 10 years from now with some miles on it, but I want it. BAD. Haha. Which is odd, because I’ve never really had a desire to own a Porsche. I may never own it, but I’m just thinking out loud here.
In 2014 BP said there are 53.3 years of proven oil reserves left at 2014 production rates. So there could likely be a whoooole lot more. So oppo what do you think, can you drive a high performance v6 or v8 made between 1960 and today for 40-50 years, no problem? Or are you worried?
"random001" (random001)
03/06/2017 at 10:48, STARS: 0
If that car were a Corvette, then yes, yes I could.
"jasmits" (jasmits)
03/06/2017 at 10:50, STARS: 0
I know for a fact my automotive ADHD is too bad to handle this. I could see keeping *a* car for a very long time, as long as I’m allowed to have other cars too.
"Honeybunchesofgoats" (honeybunche0fgoats)
03/06/2017 at 10:51, STARS: 0
I could live with my Jag for life, but I don’t think it’s transmission, paint, or body would be willing to do the same.
"CalzoneGolem" (calzonegolem)
03/06/2017 at 10:52, STARS: 2
I always plan to keep every car for the rest of my life and then they experience catastrophic engine failure and I replace them.
"aberson Bresident of the FullyAssed Committe" (emaxxbl)
03/06/2017 at 10:53, STARS: 1
Let’s do it
"Yowen - not necessarily not spaghetti and meatballs" (yowen)
03/06/2017 at 10:53, STARS: 0
Certainly, I’m just talking daily driver here.
"Smallbear wants a modern Syclone, local Maple Leafs spammer" (smallbear94)
03/06/2017 at 10:53, STARS: 0
I could handle my truck. Cost me about half that, too, so...
Upgrade/repair money. I’m happy.
"Yowen - not necessarily not spaghetti and meatballs" (yowen)
03/06/2017 at 10:54, STARS: 0
Problem is, 50 years from now, would we be able to afford to keep a V8 going? Or would it by default be relegated to a weekend car? Ya know? A nice cruise for $100 at $25 a gallon.
"Yowen - not necessarily not spaghetti and meatballs" (yowen)
03/06/2017 at 10:56, STARS: 0
But what about cost of fuel in the year 2060? It may force you to stop driving it. But I suppose we’ll never know till it is actually the year 2060.
"Comes over to help work on your car and only drinks beer" (cyclonefan94)
03/06/2017 at 10:59, STARS: 1
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This is good logic. Going to talk to the wife tonight about translating it to women. If I’m not back tomorrow....
"Yowen - not necessarily not spaghetti and meatballs" (yowen)
03/06/2017 at 11:01, STARS: 0
Hahaha
Reminds me of my girlfriend. She told me that if I want to dog I have to get another girlfriend. I see two problems:
1. She’ll likely want another boyfriend.
2. I can’t afford to have two girlfriends.
"random001" (random001)
03/06/2017 at 11:02, STARS: 0
Don’t care. Corvette.
Plus, it’s still more efficient than most econoboxes...
"Smallbear wants a modern Syclone, local Maple Leafs spammer" (smallbear94)
03/06/2017 at 11:08, STARS: 0
Oh, who gives a shit. I have a vehicle that should be reliable, and I won’t be spending money buying new vehicles. Even with drastic mileage improvements that leaves me close enough to being in the same boat as everyone else financially.
Alternately, because there was no stipulation about engine swaps... If oil becomes inviable for propulsion by that time I should be able to convert to a fuel cell electric, on the money saved by not changing my ride every few years.
"jasmits" (jasmits)
03/06/2017 at 11:12, STARS: 0
Oh, then sure. It would have to be a very special car, but if I found something right I could totally see that
"Yowen - not necessarily not spaghetti and meatballs" (yowen)
03/06/2017 at 11:14, STARS: 0
Is there a car on the market you’d consider for this purpose? Or has it yet to be made?
"Tripper" (tripe46)
03/06/2017 at 11:20, STARS: 2
E39M5, not worried.
"AfromanGTO" (afromangto)
03/06/2017 at 11:23, STARS: 1
Why not upgrade the car to run on ethanol when oil reserves run dry or oil prices go through the roof?
The stupid govt subsidies that pay farmers to plant corn should be used for fuel. Or have them all plant sugarcane instead of corn, so we can get rid of the high fructose corn syrup, and have sugar back in everything. Plus ethanol powered dream cars.
"jasmits" (jasmits)
03/06/2017 at 11:30, STARS: 0
Right now I’m in college so double my budget is still peanuts. If I imagined I was a few years down the line with a few years in industry as a software engineer? I really, really want to say the Giulia Qudrifoglio but I think I’d get tired of the transmission in a few years and ehh I’m not too positive about the styling. A manual is always as just good as I am but any automatic or dual clutch will start to feel dated as technology moves on.
If I could afford it, probably the V12 Vantage. It’s probably one of the last proper front-mounted naturally aspirated V12, manual, RWD Grand Touring cars. That subtle styling will never look dated, the manual will always be a manual. It’s more than fast enough for my reflexes so how much faster do could I really need?
I probably won’t be able to afford it, but oh well.
"davesaddiction @ opposite-lock.com" (davesaddiction)
03/06/2017 at 16:42, STARS: 0
Yes, and yes.
"davesaddiction @ opposite-lock.com" (davesaddiction)
03/06/2017 at 16:46, STARS: 0
If my E90 M3 and my left leg hold up long term, I could drive it the rest of my life.
Oil prices will change (that’s a given), but don’t freak out about “peak oil” any time soon.
http://www.macrotrends.net/1369/crude-oil-price-history-chart
"Yowen - not necessarily not spaghetti and meatballs" (yowen)
03/06/2017 at 16:49, STARS: 1
I’m glad you enjoy your M3 that much! As for oil prices, I too am not too worried that in my lifetime the price per gallon will go beyond what I’m willing to pay. But it could! That would suck :(
"davesaddiction @ opposite-lock.com" (davesaddiction)
03/06/2017 at 17:11, STARS: 0
If our government gets serious about cracking down on the burning of hydrocarbons...
For example, Norway’s electricity comes almost exclusively from renewable sources. Their cost for gas is 1.84 EUR per litre (like $6.60 per gallon).
1 EUR is 9 Krone. “Motor fuel is taxed with both a road use tax and a CO2-tax. The road use tax on petrol is NOK 4.62 per litre and the CO2-tax on petrol is NOK 0.88 per litre.”
Basically a third of what they pay at the pump is tax.
The gas tax in my state is just 16 cents!
"Yowen - not necessarily not spaghetti and meatballs" (yowen)
03/07/2017 at 07:41, STARS: 1
I lived in the Netherlands for 14 years and they have gas prices similar to Norway. They also tax the hell out of large displacement engines, to the point that a Mustang with a 5.0 costs over $100k!
Anyway at $7 a gallon, it would become rather expensive to run my current vehicle. I think I’d be considering getting an electric commuter car to mitigate the cost.
Look at Europe, the drive small displacement gas and diesel cars. Many cars are under the 2 liter mark in engine displacement, in the Netherlands at any rate.
"davesaddiction @ opposite-lock.com" (davesaddiction)
03/07/2017 at 08:47, STARS: 0
Which leads to the turbocharged 2.0 and 3.0 liter engines we now see as commonplace from European makers.
I agree with you - at $7 a gallon, I definitely wouldn’t be commuting in my current car on a daily basis. But there’s the rub: a gas tax ends up being a regressive tax. People who can only afford an old beater (not an newer electric car) and those who make their money driving a truck or car will suffer the most.
"RT" (rt-p)
03/08/2017 at 13:24, STARS: 0
Good looking car, but that ride comfort would be difficult to put up with for the rest of your life.
"random001" (random001)
03/08/2017 at 13:39, STARS: 1
You mean the sublime and supple ride comfort of the magnetorheologic fluid filled infinitely adjustable damper system? I’d put up with that. Because Corvette.
"RT" (rt-p)
03/08/2017 at 16:25, STARS: 0
Yeah, but only in the high-end models of the C7. I didn’t want to use this exact word, but let’s be honest here - most Corvettes ride on leaf-springs. Even then, there’s still the low quality assembly and cheap plastics to put up with, which is a huge red flag for a car of this price imo. Everyone’s opinions and priorities will be different though, because Corvette.
"random001" (random001)
03/08/2017 at 16:34, STARS: 0
They all ride on transverse leaf springs, and use pushrods. Archaic, proven, incredible, and impressive technology that beats out newer, fancier BS every single day. Seriously, the Corvette is one of the fastest, most capable, and most reliable cars ever built, beating out cars 2-4x the price, with reliability that would make Toyota of yore jealous. The leaf springs are composite materials now, and the pushrods are advanced alloys. I don’t see why that’s a sticking point for anyone. They’re both very compact technologies that allow for a lot of clearance in other areas without sacrificing anything.
"RT" (rt-p)
03/08/2017 at 17:26, STARS: 0
They have improved the leaf spring formula over the years for sure, but it’s still a concept with inherent disadvantages. The car truly gives a huge amount of bang for your buck, but it’s cheap for a reason. Plus it only became a competitive sports car in the past 20 years or so, no nameplate is perfect.
Either way, I wouldn’t want to live with one because of the reasons I mentioned before. You’ve convinced me it can hold its own on the racetrack (and it definitely can), but for use everyday it would become a bit of a liability.
Besides, you want one for a good reason and I can’t blame you, even it the car has its faults.
"random001" (random001)
03/08/2017 at 19:52, STARS: 0
I had an 02 Z06 as a DD for 7 years. It really is infinitely livable, until you have kids.