by "carzcarzcarz" (carzcarzcarz)
Published 02/23/2017 at 14:45
by "carzcarzcarz" (carzcarzcarz)
Published 02/23/2017 at 14:45
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So my question is: How long before a Ford GT has an engine swap to a V8? (I’m hoping within a year, maybe 6months). Or will they only be garage queens and celebrity show pieces?
I can’t be the only one that thinks the Ford GT would be better if it had a V8 (5.2L Shelby GT350 engine maybe) instead of an ecoboost V6. This V6 gets worse gas mileage than previous supercharged V8, and I know I know, Supercar = who cares about gas mileage.
But still, it goes to show this “Eco” stuff with turbos really isn’t all that it’s supposed to be with smaller engines and fuel savings. Plus, a V8 almost always sounds better.
"Jayhawk Jake" (jayhawkjake)
02/23/2017 at 14:48, STARS: 1
This Ecoboost has way more power than the previous engine, no? Fuel economy is irrelevant
"PotbellyJoe and 42 others" (potbellyjoe)
02/23/2017 at 14:48, STARS: 0
How soon will one find a wall/tree/elephant backward? Shortly after that.
"Milky" (jordanmielke)
02/23/2017 at 14:51, STARS: 1
Twin turbo Voodoo is the answer. Doubt it will be any time soon. But if the LFA flood turned into drift car is anything to go by, it will happen.
"just-a-scratch" (just-a-scratch)
02/23/2017 at 14:52, STARS: 2
You might as well ask ‘How soon will a Nissan GT-R get a V8?’
I don’t see the point. of doing that.
"SidewaysOnDirt still misses Bowie" (sidewaysondirt)
02/23/2017 at 14:53, STARS: 2
More importantly, when is someone putting an LS in one?
"four loko" (fourloko)
02/23/2017 at 14:54, STARS: 0
its hard to judge in the 3d model i found of the car where exactly the rear cabin wall is.. previous version with more engine detail..
http://www.imagebam.com/image/5a5ec2534353519
"carzcarzcarz" (carzcarzcarz)
02/23/2017 at 14:55, STARS: 0
Yes, the new Twin Turbo ecoboost engine makes 647hP, while the 12 year old v8 only made 550 HP and 500 lb/ft. But imagine if the 5.2L Voodoo engine was Turbo charged...
"RamblinRover Luxury-Yacht" (ramblininexile)
02/23/2017 at 14:55, STARS: 1
"Jayhawk Jake" (jayhawkjake)
02/23/2017 at 14:57, STARS: 3
I imagine a turbocharged 5.2L Voodoo would have far worse fuel economy than the TTV6 EB and the previous V8.
The EB series has never really been about making more power and better fuel economy, it’s producing more power at the same fuel economy or the same power for better fuel economy. The fact that a 3.6L V6 is producing 100 more horsepower and significantly more torque than a 5.4L V8 for similar fuel economy is astounding.
"Twingo Tamer - About to descend into project car hell." (oppisitelock)
02/23/2017 at 14:57, STARS: 0
Yeah but turbo.
"03mach1 - Now has a Fiesta ST" (03mach1)
02/23/2017 at 14:59, STARS: 3
For one I don’t think it’s really possible being how the car is designed around the engine. It is very, very tight in that engine compartment. Not to mention how complex it is. I also hope no one ever attempts it as much as I am a fan of engine swaps. It just does not make much sense why someone would want to take who knows how many hours and money of R&D and throw it all away.
The gas mileage is just due to the GT’s purpose, to be fast as possible. The 05-06 GT had two overdrives for one, meaning on the highway it’s possible to achieve better (ish) gas mileage. The new GT has none, it reaches its 216MPH speed in seventh. The car was designed to strategically space its gears out to for maximum performance really. The last GT was built more as a tribute, this one is a full on racecar.
I love a V8 as much as anyone, but it’s just not right for this car. It wouldn’t look as good as it does now. It wouldn’t be as fast. The 5.2L V8 would not be able to get the same kind of power numbers the 3.5 can. Sure, there’s forced induction but that’s adding weight to an already heavier engine. Give the GT a shot in terms of noise, the production car sounds really, really good. Probably more small displacement V8 than V6. The racecar has a different exhaust set up, so that isn’t a good representation of the final car.
"Party-vi" (party-vi)
02/23/2017 at 14:59, STARS: 1
“it goes to show this “Eco” stuff with turbos really isn’t all that it’s supposed to be with smaller engines and fuel savings”
No, it goes to show that turbocharging a 3.5L V6 gives it more power than supercharging a 5.4L V8.
Turbochargers on small displacement engines have shown that you can have the efficiency of a small engine when power is not required, and the grunt of a larger displacement engine when power is needed. The Ford Fusion is a standard family sedan that has a 1.5L engine and weighs 3,400lb. Last time a Ford sedan had an engine that small it was in the 1981 Escort, and that car weighed over 1,000lb less than the Fusion and was abysmally slower.
"jimz" (jimz)
02/23/2017 at 15:01, STARS: 1
there’s no way in h-e-double-hockey-sticks to get a V8 in there. I’ve seen GTs up close and under hood. The body is literally wrapped around the engine.
"boredalways" (boredalway666)
02/23/2017 at 15:02, STARS: 2
TBH, only after a wreck one is totaled out by insurance yet could be rebuilt.
Or that bastard Hennessey.
"TheHondaBro" (wwaveform)
02/23/2017 at 15:03, STARS: 0
Yep. Jaguar showed the world what a Turbo V6 can do with the XJ220; a twin turbo V6 making supercar power. Now we have the GT-R, NSX, and GT all proving that supercar performance doesn’t require a big engine.
And there are the BMW M cars that are going back to smaller engines from V8s and V10s and making more power than before.
And don’t forget the little 4-cylinder compacts, Civic Type-R, Focus RS, etc, all making over 300 horsepower.
Big engines are dying.
"My X-type is too a real Jaguar" (TomSlick)
02/23/2017 at 15:05, STARS: 0
And the press and enthusiasts crucified Jaguar for not using a heavy v12
"carzcarzcarz" (carzcarzcarz)
02/23/2017 at 15:07, STARS: 0
Good points, thanks for the informative response.
"carzcarzcarz" (carzcarzcarz)
02/23/2017 at 15:09, STARS: 0
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Cause the Original GT40 had a bad V8, as did the later GT.
"carzcarzcarz" (carzcarzcarz)
02/23/2017 at 15:10, STARS: 1
Ha, I had that same thought, figured if anybody was to make a swap it would be Hennessey.
"Milky" (jordanmielke)
02/23/2017 at 15:10, STARS: 3
I wouldn’t use the word “astounding”.
"Daily Drives a Dragon - One Last Lap" (ddadragon)
02/23/2017 at 15:10, STARS: 0
When will the first one be crashed? I bet that’ll open up the build quite a lot.
"carzcarzcarz" (carzcarzcarz)
02/23/2017 at 15:11, STARS: 0
Hopefully not for a long while, it deserves the Voodoo engine or something else more exotic. Maybe a 458, or 488 engine
"carzcarzcarz" (carzcarzcarz)
02/23/2017 at 15:17, STARS: 1
Ha, yes thank you. That’s what I’m getting at. Bigger engine (1.77x), heavier, and still better mileage. But don’t harp on the MPG, that’s not what I’m really getting after was just a funny point about these “eco” engines manufactures have been downsizing and adding turbos to.
"Future next gen S2000 owner" (future-next-gen-s2000-owner)
02/23/2017 at 15:26, STARS: 3
Eco-boost is a marketing term. Nothing more, nothing less. Designed to lead people to believe something.
Most turbos function one way, eco or boost, pick one.
"CRider" (crider)
02/23/2017 at 15:28, STARS: 1
Except that at no point does the new GT get better gas mileage than a V8 making similar power. The GT is rated at 11 city, 18 highway, has 647 hp and weighs over 3,000 lbs dry. The actual curb weight may not be much lighter than the old GT (which coincidentally, is rated at 13 city, 21 highway). A Corvette Z06's 6.2 supercharged V8 has more power, gets better fuel economy and weighs the same or more without the carbon chassis, active aero, buttresses ect... The McLaren 675LT is the same story, as is the Ferrari 488, and those have turbo V8s.
"" (super-veloce)
02/23/2017 at 15:28, STARS: 1
I totally agree with you. I definitely think that the 5.2L Shelby GT350 engine would be an absolute peach in a car like the Ford GT.
"carzcarzcarz" (carzcarzcarz)
02/23/2017 at 15:33, STARS: 0
Yeah I agree with the marketing term. I remember when chevy started with their Ecotec, seems everybody started slapping Eco onto everything.
"fourvalleys" (fourvalleys)
02/23/2017 at 15:58, STARS: 0
Eh, I’m pretty sure “Ecoboost” is specific to turbocharged, direct injection models. So yes, it’s a marketing term. But if direct injection actually does improve economy as advertised, it’s at least an appropriate marketing term.
"Sweet Trav" (thespunbearing)
02/23/2017 at 16:08, STARS: 0
But why? Mod motors (including the Voodoo) are outdated trash compared to the Gen II 3.5L Ecoboost engine. The 3.5L EB in the GT makes a whopping 15 HP less but weighs substantially less. V8s are overrated.
"swaptastic" (swaptastic)
02/23/2017 at 16:39, STARS: 0
It depends... if a Ford V8 can fit in the engine bay and still line up with the drivetrain and it can swapped with mounts/supports that don’t require cutting of the frame then I think some really rich owner might attempt it. But it will have to be done in a way that allows the factory engine to be reinstalled if these start taking off in value.
"Saracen" (manualdoucheelitist)
02/23/2017 at 16:55, STARS: 0
If it does happen, it won’t be an official Ford product.
Keep in mind that this Ford GT is, first and foremost, a race car. It was designed from the ground up to win the Le Mans GTE-Pro class. LM GTE restricts engine displacement to 5.5L for naturally aspirated cars, and 4 liters for cars with forced induction. Likely in the interest of saving time and cost in development, Ford opted to go with the EB 3.5 instead of building a bespoke V8 engine for the GT. Homologation is a requirement, and using a boosted engine would make meeting emissions requirements (while hitting their power goals) far easier and cost efficiently than with a naturally aspirated 5.5L engine.
So the car was designed from the ground up to use the 3.5L EB. The car’s packaging is designed around its aero package, meaning the engine bay packaging is just enough to clear the engine it was designed for. I don’t see how anything bigger than the V6 will fit.
"four loko" (fourloko)
02/23/2017 at 16:58, STARS: 0
ferarri’s get shit mpg too and those are NA..im assuming they dont tune them to be leaned out for mpg at highway speed. they probably sound better running rich..the GT will have no effect on fords CAFE ratng, whereas the corvette does..
"carzcarzcarz" (carzcarzcarz)
02/23/2017 at 17:14, STARS: 0
I’m sure the values are only going to go up on these things. That’s why I doubt engine swaps will be a thing on this car, shame as I’d love to see and hear one with a flat-plane V8.
"PS9" (PS9)
02/23/2017 at 17:20, STARS: 0
Not happening.
"Jayhawk Jake" (jayhawkjake)
02/23/2017 at 18:36, STARS: 0
Yeah, but Ford sucks at making efficiency out of a V8. For them the new GT gets better gas mileage than a similarly powered V8. The 5.2 Voodoo probably weighs more than an LT4 and the McLaren motors.
"Jayhawk Jake" (jayhawkjake)
02/23/2017 at 18:37, STARS: 0
I think it’s impressive if you aren’t short sighted. Compared to where cars have been til now, 650 hp out of a 3.5L V6 is impressive. The Corvette is impressive too, but it’s got more gears and cylinder deactivation.
"Jayhawk Jake" (jayhawkjake)
02/23/2017 at 18:42, STARS: 0
Everything before the R35 was an inline 6, no? Even though it maintained the cylinder count the engine changed completely and no one batted an eye.
"Milky" (jordanmielke)
02/23/2017 at 19:49, STARS: 0
Yes “650 hp out of a 3.5L V6 is impressive”. But you know, not more power and not more “eco”.
"Jayhawk Jake" (jayhawkjake)
02/23/2017 at 21:06, STARS: 0
But it’s more power than Ford’s current and past V8 offerings and similar economy to those as well. What did the GT500 do for economy?
Had ford shoved an FI V8 in this would it have made better economy? Probably not. Ford built the car around this engine though, so it probably wouldn’t have fit.
"four loko" (fourloko)
02/23/2017 at 21:50, STARS: 0
from my research the newer LS blocks are about 25" long, whereas the ecoboost is about 21". also found a 7 speed transaxle which is about 26" long. i commented in another thread on this page with how a LS fits inside of a to scale cad model.. heres a comparison of them overlayed ontop of eachother.
http://www.imagebam.com/image/b03018534389473
"Axial" (axial)
02/23/2017 at 23:09, STARS: 0
Wait for somebody to crash one.